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00:07:24 <Afdal> I think the word that best describes the current max. reliability system is "temporal autocorrelation". Depending on the random seed, this can either be really nice--every vehicle in a 50-year introduction span might be 95-100% max. reliable. Or it can be really, really bad: every of vehicle in a 50-year span might have reliability in a 75-80% range. There is no middle ground with this new algorithm.
00:08:36 <Afdal> Whereas, with the old system you can be reasonably assured that random luck will throw at least a few vehicles with nice max. reliability over a timeframe that large.
00:09:18 <Afdal> but since reset_vehicles doesn't do anything anymore, the only way to fix this when it's bad is to reset the entire game and roll a new map
00:18:07 <LordAro> IRC. Is. Not. An. Issue. Tracker.
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00:20:08 <Afdal> I'm just organizing my thoughts D:>
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00:55:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Afdill opened issue #8325: Strong temporal autocorrelation in Max. Reliability ratings across vehicles https://git.io/JUddc
01:02:59 <Timberwolf> Do you have an example game seed that does it for the base game vehicles? (and which ones are affected)
01:07:10 <Afdal> How do you grab the game seed again
01:07:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8325: Strong temporal autocorrelation in Max. Reliability ratings across vehicles https://git.io/JUddc
01:11:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Afdill commented on issue #8325: Strong temporal autocorrelation in Max. Reliability ratings across vehicles https://git.io/JUddc
01:12:27 <Afdal> Here's a seed to try: 2878084001
01:12:36 <Afdal> it's pretty obvious with the train engines in that game
01:19:51 <Afdal> How the heck do you load a new map with a given game seed these days anyway. Since the seed option is gone from the map generator
01:20:03 <Afdal> set generation_seed doesn't seem to work
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01:23:12 <Afdal> Oh, aha. It's 'newgame [ur game seed]'
02:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see how #7147 has anything that would cause this
02:19:16 <Afdal> I don't really get it either
02:19:31 <Afdal> but I don't see any other changes in v1.9.0 that could be relevant to this
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10:00:13 <TrueBrain> so much more translator access requests then I expected ..
10:03:10 * andythenorth remembers when translation commits were nearly all the commits
10:09:29 <LordAro> Italian has 4 people already
10:11:24 <LordAro> 18/63 languages have translators
10:11:49 <LordAro> and 6 of those have more than one
10:31:53 <TrueBrain> owh, right, version and Python .. that was always rather interesting ..
11:10:23 <TrueBrain> who posted what where about translations?! :P
11:15:58 <TrueBrain> '0.0.0.post5+g57bb710' is an invalid value for Version.
11:16:27 <TrueBrain> what part is not allowed exactly? :s
11:17:40 <TrueBrain> I was not really asking for an answer, was more complaining about the unclearness of the error :P As it does validate through setuptools version checker :D
11:17:48 <TrueBrain> I assumed as much that the + was an issue :P
11:18:59 <TrueBrain> well, that works .. now lets test the GitHub workflow for it ..
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11:31:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain opened pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow https://git.io/JUFK9
11:32:15 <TrueBrain> that was rather uneventful
11:32:32 <TrueBrain> now can I announce this package already to get a token .. guess not ..
11:32:48 <LordAro> looks very familiar :)
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11:35:17 <TrueBrain> it was mostly pruning down :P
11:35:24 <TrueBrain> and I also upload the whls to the GitHub Releases
11:35:41 <TrueBrain> and I rewrote the version-detection, as the NML variant is a bit too complicated for me
11:36:29 <TrueBrain> it is now either a release, which can be pushed to PyPi, or a postN+hash
11:36:53 <TrueBrain> no branch indicator, no modifier indicator .. doesn't sound really useful for this library :)
11:37:00 <TrueBrain> not sure if it is useful for NML, tbh :P
11:37:39 * andythenorth wonders about stealing that
11:38:20 <TrueBrain> for OpenTTD things like branches and modified yes/no is important for network compatability
11:38:37 <TrueBrain> but there is 0 chance anyone publishing a postN+hash file on PyPi .. so worst they can do, is screw their local copy
11:38:39 <TrueBrain> (for not using -e .)
11:38:45 <TrueBrain> as far as I can see :) I might be completely wrong, ofc
11:39:33 <TrueBrain> yeah, andythenorth , that feels a bit icky :D
11:40:00 <TrueBrain> I really started to love the "commits since last tag" .. we use it for all other Python repositories, and it allows me to quickly see if we should make a new release or not :)
11:40:02 <andythenorth> ducktape works, but you get things stuck on you
11:40:33 <TrueBrain> oeh, I have to add badges to this repo too! Let me sneak them in real quick :D
11:40:42 <andythenorth> we should get a prize for those
11:41:33 <andythenorth> I am 50% serious about trying to use openttd tools for newgrf
11:41:38 <TrueBrain> owh, I can only do that after the merge of this PR .. fine :P
11:41:40 <andythenorth> like coop, but up-to-date
11:46:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain opened pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUF6x
11:47:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow https://git.io/JUF6j
11:47:28 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUFie
11:47:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain merged pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow https://git.io/JUFK9
11:49:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUFie
11:49:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain updated pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUF6x
11:49:10 <TrueBrain> oops, wrong label .. fixed ^^ :)
11:49:23 <TrueBrain> still funny you can approve a draft :)
11:50:06 <TrueBrain> well, incoming spam I guess ...
11:50:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain opened pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFis
11:50:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiG
11:50:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiZ
11:50:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain opened pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFin
11:50:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFic
11:50:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiC
11:50:25 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain opened pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiW
11:51:10 <TrueBrain> grrr .. I thought I double-checked them all .. guess I was wrong ..
11:51:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFic
11:52:52 <TrueBrain> right ... finally got that done .. was LONG overdue .. and because of that it got more and more work to do :P
11:54:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] LordAro approved pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFia
12:00:02 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] LordAro approved pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPv
12:00:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] LordAro approved pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPf
12:00:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro approved pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPJ
12:00:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] LordAro approved pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPU
12:00:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPT
12:00:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] LordAro approved pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFPk
12:20:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain merged pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFis
12:21:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiG
12:21:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiZ
12:21:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFin
12:21:55 <TrueBrain> oops, that should not have been a squash
12:22:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFic
12:22:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiC
12:22:51 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain merged pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions https://git.io/JUFiW
12:24:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUF1u
12:25:00 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain merged pull request #5: Add: show badges in README.md with the current status of the repository https://git.io/JUF6x
12:26:00 <TrueBrain> lets see if DorpsGek_III still works with Python 3.8 :D
12:27:18 <TrueBrain> I am not going to push the other repositories to production; nothing really changes, so that feels a bit like a waste :)
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14:56:37 <TrueBrain> someone makes donation on tt-forums to tt-forums .. writes in his donation post "Thanks for all the hard work you put in to site and to game I always look forward to a new build."
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15:37:26 <FLHerne> Well, orudge did start the whole thing off
15:37:44 <FLHerne> Perhaps you should put a 'donate' button on BaNaNaS
15:38:54 <FLHerne> No, I was thinking of ludde
15:41:48 <TrueBrain> a "donate" button on BaNaNaS would be a fair thing to do, given 90% of the monthly payment is because of BaNaNaS :D
15:42:02 <TrueBrain> and to be clear, I don't mind of donations meant for OpenTTD and the forums go to the forums
15:42:10 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD's expense is .. euh ... very low :P
15:42:13 <FLHerne> Then demand an in-game donation button
15:42:37 <TrueBrain> I have been wondering what would happen if we support "cloud saves" for 1 euro a month or something like that :)
15:42:48 <FLHerne> That would be interesting
15:44:14 <FLHerne> Monthly subscription to BaNaNaS, otherwise you can only download content uploaded more than a year ago
15:44:17 * LordAro generates lots of 4096x4096 saves
15:44:44 <TrueBrain> LordAro: you will be the 1%. So what? :)
15:44:57 <TrueBrain> but I would do something like: you get 5 gameslots
15:45:16 <FLHerne> No, how about paid NewGRFs via BaNaNaS with a 30% commission fee
15:45:20 <TrueBrain> I was thinking that (well, not the payment part), in combination with web-based OpenTTD
15:45:26 <TrueBrain> truly: OpenTTD-on-the-go
15:45:28 <FLHerne> And then add DRM to OTTD so people can't sideload them
15:45:35 <LordAro> FLHerne: calm down, Epic
15:45:44 <TrueBrain> s/Epic/Apple/ you mean
15:46:14 <Timberwolf> Free tier: you only get the first n pixels of a newgrf.
15:46:26 <TrueBrain> only engines from before 1820 :P
15:46:53 <Timberwolf> Pay to unlock the following callbacks.
15:47:28 <TrueBrain> anyway, cloud-saves would be a nice addition to OpenTTD, but it requires authentication ..
15:47:47 <TrueBrain> or, we can just publish on Steam, and use their infra :P
15:47:54 <TrueBrain> Workshop instead of BaNaNaS? :P
15:49:17 <FLHerne> Wasn't there always a fear of getting a cease-and-desist from <whoever owns the TTD rights now> in that case?
15:49:56 <FLHerne> I mean, *technically* OTTD is 'reverse-engineered' and doesn't infringe the trademarks
15:50:06 <TrueBrain> well, it needs a legal entity, and we need to make sure not a single person becomes liable because of that
15:50:08 <FLHerne> But only if you don't look too hard
15:50:27 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD was reversed engineered in a country where that was allowed at the time of doing
15:50:33 <TrueBrain> so I am not so much afraid of that
15:50:40 <TrueBrain> but it kinda stranded on: we need a legal entity
15:50:49 <TrueBrain> and everyone wanted to chip in, resulting in not a single consensus :P
15:51:41 <TrueBrain> it is mostly a matter of: pick any form of legal entity, make it happen
15:51:45 <TrueBrain> and pay a lot of money a year for certificates :P
16:03:29 <TrueBrain> Anyway, I think that making OpenTTD available on the web, including saves and NewGRFs, would bring new life to OpenTTD :)
16:03:56 <LordAro> is that WASM port PR still open?
16:04:11 <TrueBrain> given you are the only somewhat active dev, have you merged it? :P
16:04:32 <LordAro> definitely not merged
16:04:38 <LordAro> i think i might have closed it at some point
16:06:42 <glx> anyway we can't merge any OpenTTD PR for now :)
16:07:46 <TrueBrain> that is rather excessive
16:08:11 <LordAro> last i saw in the gitter they were making sure the sourceforge mirror was actually up to date
16:09:12 <glx> well msys2 install itself falls back to SF mirror, but as vcpkg hardcoded address
16:09:37 <TrueBrain> people have issues with using other mirrors and the hashes not matching up
16:10:17 <TrueBrain> you would think vcpkg would have this fixed by now on their end at least
16:10:22 <LordAro> i tried to update my own instance yesterday, couldn't get past an unsigned (or malformed?) package
16:10:46 <glx> I updated my msys2 install yesterday without issues
16:11:18 <LordAro> error: mingw-w64-x86_64-libunistring: signature from "Christoph Reiter (MSYS2 development key) <reiter.christoph@gmail.com>" is invalid
16:11:19 <glx> except higher download times because it has to timeout on msys2 first
16:11:54 <glx> oh this is related to something else
16:11:55 <TrueBrain> LordAro: they claim they fixed that now
16:12:25 <LordAro> no, that's after i did that
16:12:32 <LordAro> it's just that one package
16:13:09 <TrueBrain> mind the reply from Christoph ;)
16:16:16 <TrueBrain> right, I was going to shut down devs.openttd.org 4 days ago .. I failed in that task
16:16:29 <TrueBrain> guess I will ask tonight one more time if we expect any issues doing so :)
16:18:42 <TrueBrain> transfer speed: 4MB/s ... I need to backup close to 400GB .. hmm ..
16:19:00 <glx> lucky I used it friday to check/fix a firewall rule for my IIS
16:22:03 <TrueBrain> lol .. someone has been trying to do some massive SQL injection on a PHP script
16:30:10 <milek7_> was there any specific complaint about emscripten PR that have to be addressed?
16:30:47 <TrueBrain> okay, funny, the SQL "attack" was focused on a script that doesn't make a MySQL connection
16:31:22 <milek7_> bots do these 'attacks' all the time
16:31:30 <TrueBrain> this was not a bot :)
16:31:49 <TrueBrain> at least, I assume bots don't have typos etc :P
16:31:57 <TrueBrain> well, guess someone had fun
16:32:11 <milek7_> it likely needs faster blitter though
16:32:31 <glx> it first needs a rebase anyway
16:32:41 <milek7_> either some webgl blitter, or maybe utilize wasm simd
16:45:59 <TrueBrain> fun fact, the old old VM only has a single vCPU assigned to it ..
16:49:03 <TrueBrain> so the most visited pages on devs.openttd.org are the tilegame 1.1 ..
16:49:18 <TrueBrain> a file that is no longer updated ..
16:49:32 <TrueBrain> my doc on how to setup a darwin compiler in 2007 ...
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16:50:41 <TrueBrain> is that still relevant?
16:51:46 <FLHerne> It's outdated, but it still sucks less than the wiki :p
16:52:13 <TrueBrain> number three hit on "nml documentation" on google
16:52:27 <TrueBrain> want to host it somewhere else?
16:52:32 <TrueBrain> devs.openttd.org will go down later today :P
16:53:45 <TrueBrain> FIRS documentation is still popular too
16:53:54 <TrueBrain> and of course SmatZ 3d tunnel animation :)
16:55:44 <TrueBrain> besides those files, it seems there are just a lot of out-dated files being requested a lot :)
16:57:09 <LordAro> put the tunnel on the wiki somewhere :p
16:57:20 <LordAro> other than that, as long as you're making a backup, i don't see a particular reason to save anything
16:57:40 <glx> I backuped my files anyway
16:58:17 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: final call, anything on your dev-space you consider worth keeping? :)
16:58:26 <TrueBrain> (I will ping frosch123 tonight when he is on)
16:58:38 <TrueBrain> LordAro: of course I keep backups .. I have so many backups ....
16:58:46 <TrueBrain> there is one running now .. of the compile-farm we used in 2009 :P
16:59:06 <TrueBrain> so far I have 400GB of backup from the OpenTTD server :P
17:00:55 <TrueBrain> the remaining .. 200GB or so, is going to be painfully slow .. 6MB/s .. all I manage to get through the line ..
17:01:03 <TrueBrain> disk I/O somewhere that is horribly slow
17:01:43 <TrueBrain> well .. it is an XFS on a RAID-1, of which only 1 of the two drives is mounted, on a non-virt-io virtualized disk in a machine that only has spinning disks
17:01:58 <TrueBrain> owh, the XFS is on an LVM, I forgot that ..
17:02:21 <TrueBrain> XFS > LVM > RAID-1 > non-virt-io disk > VM > Spinning disk
17:02:28 <TrueBrain> guess ... something in that chain is slowing it down :P :P
17:03:36 <TrueBrain> qemu-dm is the bottleneck :)
17:03:40 <TrueBrain> no real surprise :P
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18:36:51 <Yoyo> Hello, I would need some help. Can someone help me?
18:37:49 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask
18:39:12 <Yoyo> I downloaded Japanese town names new GRF, but when i activate it and enter the game it doesn't use japanese names but are still original names from game. Am I doing something wrong?
18:40:20 <TrueBrain> people complained about what rFIRS stands for .. uploaded said: if OpenTTD devs give me an ultimatum: rename or be removed, I rename it. So ... I gave him an ultimatum. As a FYI here too :)
18:40:36 <LordAro> Yoyo: you need to select the town names from the Game Options menu
18:40:39 <TrueBrain> s/uploaded/uploader/
18:40:43 <LordAro> (the one with the resolution and language)
18:41:15 <LordAro> TrueBrain: ...what does it stand for?
18:41:42 <TrueBrain> people asked him real nice
18:41:46 <TrueBrain> he was a dick about it
18:41:49 <TrueBrain> I can be a dick too :D
18:42:36 <TrueBrain> its cute, he doubted I had any power .. so cute :)
18:44:22 <Yoyo> if i close this chat i will stay in or i will automatically leave the chat?
18:44:38 <planetmaker> this is IRC. you need to login anew
18:44:41 <TrueBrain> don't leave us! Stay with us! We like you! :)
18:44:49 <Yoyo> and how you guys stay in?
18:44:55 <LordAro> if that's still working
18:45:31 <planetmaker> mostly works @ LordAro :)
18:45:45 <Yoyo> i build a shinkansen line and some local lines in old game
18:45:56 <Yoyo> but i was annoyed that it has english names
19:00:54 <TrueBrain> let's see .. can we summon andy ....
19:01:04 <TrueBrain> me walks around a pole making weird sounds
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19:02:25 <LordAro> ISO27001 is my favourite standard
19:02:51 <TrueBrain> owh, a friend of mine is secops and is looking for a job
19:03:49 <TrueBrain> "Your summoning failed" :(
19:04:07 <TrueBrain> I just zero'd a 2TB spinning disk .. that took 3 hours :P
19:04:08 <LordAro> no, that was peter's summoning word :(
19:04:26 <TrueBrain> 150 MB/s on average
19:04:41 <TrueBrain> I am retiring a server I had since 2014 .. feels bad man ..
19:07:30 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, and thanks for the reminder. I made a 2nd time sure to have copied everything :)
19:07:38 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: sweet :D
19:08:44 <TrueBrain> it still makes me giggle someone tried SQL injections on your index.php planetmaker .. it doesn't make a DB connection! :P
19:11:20 <TrueBrain> okay, openttd.com (.com, not .org) is now fully handled by AWS
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19:30:13 <TrueBrain> still no msys2? Damn ...
19:33:41 <TrueBrain> whoho, two people are going to take a look at the BaNaNaS UI :) Hopefully they can make something ... prettier out of it :)
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19:48:50 <TrueBrain> andythenorth! The summoning was a bit delayed ....
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19:51:51 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
19:51:52 <LordAro> TrueBrain: *two* ? :o
19:52:52 <TrueBrain> yes, I was shocked too :P
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20:07:13 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i copied everything from my devspace, and removed any private files
20:07:43 <frosch123> in case you considered archiving them anywhere, i think others also had some private files there
20:07:50 <TrueBrain> so I will disable access to devs.openttd.org in that case :)
20:09:22 <TrueBrain> SSH will still be possible btw, for now, as I still need access to the machine :P
20:10:21 <frosch123> now i need to learn how to string-match-replace in ruby :p
20:11:15 <frosch123> stackoverflow to the rescue
20:11:28 <frosch123> maybe i can just copy, and do not have to learn anything :)
20:13:46 <frosch123> gollum appears quite slow :/
20:18:45 <frosch123> 9s to render the main page, wtf is it doing?
20:40:27 <TrueBrain> oef .. that is a long time :s
20:57:29 <frosch123> it could have been :)
21:13:38 <frosch123> searching for certain ruby syntax results in similar answers as to "how to quit vi" :)
21:20:05 <frosch123> so, why does this method have so much code to deal with wiki-internal links, when it is only called for external links :/
21:36:47 <LordAro> TrueBrain: can you tell whether anyone has used the translator team chat yet?
21:36:59 <LordAro> (without looking at each team individually)
21:37:01 <TrueBrain> team chat? I only know of discussion
21:37:14 <LordAro> "that thing on github"
21:37:28 <TrueBrain> and no, open each team, is all I know
21:41:39 <frosch123> didn't last time everyone get a mail, when someone started a discussion?
21:43:11 <TrueBrain> that was the global team, not sure what happens in language teams
21:44:02 <frosch123> i posted something in a team, do you get notified?
21:45:40 <frosch123> looks like every team has a "watch" option
21:46:11 <frosch123> for some reason i have "translators" watched, maybe because i was member once
21:49:46 <frosch123> can every org member look at the team discussions, or only members?
21:49:55 <frosch123> (we have no secret teams)
21:50:09 <frosch123> but i do not know whether public/secret also applies to discussions
21:54:50 <TrueBrain> I am owner, so rules do not apply :P
21:55:00 <frosch123> great... so wikicloth does not even get the original input. something already extracts links before that
21:55:45 <frosch123> that makes so little sense :/
22:04:55 <frosch123> managed to disable that. still feels like gollum only works by luck
22:06:12 <TrueBrain> that doesn't sound good :)
22:11:45 <frosch123> looks like the slowness is not from the rendering, but from serving all the images
22:12:20 <frosch123> it needs about half a second to deliver an image, which nginx could do
22:13:34 <glx> I just checked, as being member in a translation team, I have "watch" enabled for "translators" and my team
22:14:10 <glx> and I didn't enabled any manually :)
22:16:13 <glx> frosch123: I think you have "watch" for translators because you are an owner
22:16:30 <glx> any new thing gets "watch" by default IIRC
22:16:41 <frosch123> glx: i was translator, i kicked myself before someone had expectations :)
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22:38:04 <frosch123> andythenorth: you are the html expert :) why does the alpha-channel in some png image not show in <img> ?
22:38:37 <andythenorth> dunno, is it a 24 bit PNG?
22:39:00 <frosch123> PNG image data, 128 x 128, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
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22:39:21 <andythenorth> I've never seen it not work
22:40:35 <frosch123> ok, if it's no standard bear trap, we can leave it for later
22:41:27 <andythenorth> it's not a property of img tag, it's either a browser quirk, or the image needs re-encoding
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22:42:08 <frosch123> the image is fine. i think it's a css that adds a background color
22:43:15 <andythenorth> is this wiki-land?
22:44:04 <frosch123> see the screenshot above
22:44:37 <andythenorth> default css normalisation applying white bg?
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22:58:50 <frosch123> yeah, wikicloth has some bugs :)
22:59:55 <frosch123> but at least the templates seem to work
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