IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-09-30
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04:52:26 <supermop_Home> well is Gotterfickerung a word?
04:52:35 <supermop_Home> and can I say it here?
04:54:11 <supermop_Home> Eddi|zuHause does that need an umlaut?
04:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but doesn't sound like a real word anyway
04:56:06 <supermop_Home> Wagnerian take on loss of all hope over here
04:58:05 <supermop_Home> I thought there was none left to lose, but leave it to yr boy classtraitor to lose more
05:10:37 <supermop_Home> im not trying to be shitty, just curious... did you guys have a positive or negative take on him in school
05:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the word you were looking for was "Götterdämmerung"
05:21:28 <supermop_Home> no, we are beyond dammerung here
05:22:55 <supermop_Home> i hope you guys out there in the real world didn't try to watch our debates tonight
05:26:54 <supermop_Home> im sorry our moron ruin your whole world
05:29:10 <supermop_Home> for us wagner is high school: great, undergrad: problematic, grad school: ehhh its complicated
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05:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the escalation of Dämmerung (=dusk) would be Nacht (=night)
05:40:55 <supermop_Home> but like, fuck them gods'
05:41:41 <supermop_Home> also Siegfried sucks
05:57:43 <supermop_Home> here we usually title Gotterdammerung as twilight of the gods
05:58:27 <supermop_Home> but there is a false colloquial reading of it as the damning of the gods
05:59:07 <supermop_Home> which i think is like an eggcorn - it fits with the narrative of the story
06:06:52 <supermop_Home> man i used to fantasize in 2005 about Sweden having birthright citizenship
06:32:35 <supermop_Home> now i don't fantasize about anything
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17:54:49 <LordAro> TrueBrain: gcc-problem-matcher could presumably be used just the same for clang
17:55:21 <LordAro> well the regex looks simple enough
17:55:24 <TrueBrain> just giving you breadcrumbs to work with :)
17:55:52 <TrueBrain> problem matchers are a nice gimmick
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17:57:11 <LordAro> is there any issue with the pending azure pipeline job? will removing it cause issues with existing PRs?
17:57:31 <TrueBrain> you mean that it is still pending for your PR?
17:58:08 <TrueBrain> and select your jobs after merge
17:58:14 <TrueBrain> current PRs will have to rebase
17:58:48 <TrueBrain> the main reason it is marked as required, as there is a small time between a PR being created and Azure doing its thing
17:58:51 <LordAro> how about future GH workflow changes for releases, etc - will they have to be rebased again?
17:58:58 <TrueBrain> which allows for someone to accidentally merge it ;)
17:59:14 <TrueBrain> releases don't do anything with PRs now, do they? :D
18:00:02 <LordAro> but if changing the content of .github/ affects existing PRs
18:00:16 <TrueBrain> I don't know why you made that link :)
18:00:39 <TrueBrain> the content of .github is of little relevance; not sure if we understand each other here :D
18:00:42 <LordAro> well i'm remembering the switch from jenkins to azure :p
18:01:22 <TrueBrain> as it was with Jenkins, as it is with Azure, as it will be with GitHub Actions, a PR needs to be rebased to use the latest version of the CI
18:01:30 <TrueBrain> but that is of course very logical
18:01:41 <LordAro> but you're right - it's the change of systems that requires the rebase, not making changes to the existing system
18:01:42 <TrueBrain> has always been true, and still is true, and still will be true :)
18:02:10 <TrueBrain> if you add Problem Matchers later, PRs that are from before won't have that
18:02:32 <TrueBrain> GitHub has a "rebase" button these days btw
18:03:44 <TrueBrain> (or a "Resolve conflicts" button, if that is what is needed)
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18:10:14 <TrueBrain> or we can install a GitHub App that allows you to type: /rebase, which starts a rebase
18:22:07 <TrueBrain> right, lets see if I can make an export of the wiki ..
18:24:03 <TrueBrain> I might be making the wiki very slow ...
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18:25:21 <TrueBrain> lol .. funny .. how that kills the website .. you would not expect that to be the case
18:26:21 <TrueBrain> so we are not going to do that :D
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19:01:42 <TrueBrain> still not sure how to do email for openttd.org ..
19:01:45 <TrueBrain> it is a tricky one, tbh
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19:05:39 <TrueBrain> morning frosch123 ; what is the smartest way of moving the content of the mediawiki to a new one? Besides importing the full database? I was making a backup via mediawiki, and it stalled the website .. that seems to be a bad idea :P
19:07:19 <LordAro> i'd do the database & file copy, tbh
19:07:51 <TrueBrain> meh .. and hope the database migration works :P
19:08:44 <TrueBrain> in both cases, we need to get a mailbox for info@openttd.org, but that is not the most difficult part here :D
19:09:59 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i am no mediawiki admin :)
19:10:15 <TrueBrain> but I ask because you have scripts around the API
19:10:21 <TrueBrain> and I was wondering if that was a viable way?
19:11:26 <frosch123> hmm, i remember pywikibot could export whole pages+history as xml and import to another wiki
19:11:50 <frosch123> when i exported the wiki this time, i found pywikibot too shitty, and just wrote the api calls myself
19:12:02 <frosch123> so, i guess, if you have a bot account on both, it is possible
19:13:01 <frosch123> export of the wiki took 3 hours, so not horribly long
19:13:10 <TrueBrain> well, maybe I can phrase it differently: if we would do another mediawiki (again, still plan B, I hope we don't), do we choose and pick the pages, or do I do a database migration?
19:14:13 <frosch123> hmm, i did not even consider that option
19:14:43 <frosch123> by base assumption was that any restructuing is way easier if stuff is in git, and impossible in a mediawiki
19:15:01 <frosch123> but if we migrate with a bot between mediawiki instances, it may be possible
19:15:20 <TrueBrain> question becomes: do we want to? :D
19:15:35 <frosch123> i will consider it, when gollum fails
19:15:43 <TrueBrain> the other method I considered: don't migrate, archive the current wiki, and supply a fresh-installed :)
19:16:20 <frosch123> i think in that case you can skip the second step
19:16:37 <frosch123> i doubt anyone volunteers to write content for a new wiki
19:17:18 <TrueBrain> well, also solves a problem, I guess :P :P
19:17:39 <TrueBrain> okay, fine, I prepare both plan B and plan C in this case: B -> migrate database, C -> supply a bot account :)
19:17:53 <TrueBrain> how much time do you think you need to find out if gollum is possible?
19:18:28 <frosch123> i need to apply your patches, and check whether the common templates work
19:18:58 <frosch123> and i need to check whether the page history works better, if i put the images into a lfs
19:19:11 <frosch123> (currently it is rediculous slow)
19:19:39 <TrueBrain> any ETA? (not to hurry you; just to get an idea what timeframes we talk about :D)
19:19:55 <frosch123> next weekend, unless i find something more fun :)
19:20:04 <TrueBrain> reminds me, orudge did not reply on my email yet .. that is unlike him :P
19:20:26 <TrueBrain> I am reading over email options, but basically everyone says: you don't need a license on office365 to forward email
19:21:31 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, the shared mailbox was the issue .. oops .. I keep going in circles :D
19:21:44 <TrueBrain> every user needs a license; so info@ with 3 people looking at it, requires 3 licenses
19:26:51 <TrueBrain> this still makes me head spin .. every single time :P
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19:52:21 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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