IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-09-20
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00:25:19 <GT> Gentoo still has not included openttd 1.10.3 in its packages. There were times Gentoo was always on the leading edge..
00:31:18 <GT> And even 1.10.2 is still considered unstable, and you need to unmask it
00:31:44 <FLHerne> Maybe someone else needs to take over the package?
00:36:43 <GT> Yes, perhaps. But it's a trend in Gentoo. I even had to add a German portage mirror because all Dutch mirrors did not provide one of the latest packages (not ottd, but still)
00:37:44 <dwfreed> Packages need maintainers, this is an everlasting problem in every distro
00:38:02 <dwfreed> as for mirrors, that's not Gentoo's fault, that's the mirror
00:39:34 <GT> Absolutely true, but when there are less fanatic maintainers, things start to deteriorate. But I still like Gentoo, I would hate to see it move to obscurity
01:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> those are probably correlations
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01:41:49 <GT> What do you mean by correlations
01:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> two values like "maintainer motivation" and "maintenance quality" are "correlated" when they consistently move up and down at the same time. doesn't necessarily mean one causes the other
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02:02:08 <GT> Ok, I see what you mean now, Eddi. Here I think mainainer motivation translates to lower maintenance frequency. What they deliver is still high quality. But my user perception rates it lower because of the lag
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07:36:01 <azubieta> that's an AppImage made of the latest binaries published in the OpenTTD web
07:36:33 <azubieta> the bundle can be also build from sources, please test and let me know your opinions :)
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11:45:19 <frosch123> TrueBrain: well, failure... eints needy python 3.6, the vm only has python 3.4 :p
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12:01:03 <FLHerne> azubieta: Isn't 20.04 a bit recent? I thought we had to build on as old a (supported) distro as possible to get compatibility with everything
12:01:40 <FLHerne> (KDevelop uses centos 6, IIRC)
12:40:19 <TrueBrain> Frosch123: lol .. not something I can fix today, but I will take care of that this week :)
12:40:53 <frosch123> ok, if you have a plan, i'll revert to ldap for now
12:41:22 <TrueBrain> Possibly I dockerize it while at it
12:41:33 <TrueBrain> I want to take a look at the JSON files anyway
12:43:19 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i also need a PAT for dorpsgek with read:org permission
12:45:01 <frosch123> but you will find out, when you dockerize it :)
14:11:01 <andythenorth_> was going to be GWR Pannier Tank, but doesn't look quite right
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14:21:03 <frosch123> it doesn't look like a wizzowow either
14:33:06 <Eddi|zuHause> this is so great
14:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> need to find the correct shade of grey
15:22:04 <supermop_Home> looking at that game makes me think of koyaanisqaatsi eddi
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17:43:22 <andythenorth> lol, I've drawn a new train
17:43:31 <andythenorth> it's nearly identical to one in UKRS, by accident
18:29:31 <azubieta> FLHerne it's built using a new procedure (and tool named appimage-builder), this provides backward and forward compatibility so there is nothing to worry about
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21:02:40 <andythenorth_> hope Samu is ok, think he has a disability and lives in a care situation
21:02:44 <DorpsGek> andythenorth_: samu was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Samu> that line needs help
21:02:50 <FLHerne> azubieta: Interesting
21:05:13 <FLHerne> azubieta: How does that work? You're using the recent ubuntu packages, so OTTD is built against recent libs
21:05:48 <FLHerne> So presumably the AppImage must include glibc etc. unlike the traditional appimage?
21:06:11 <azubieta> It ships a copy of libc, at runtime the AppImage checks which libc is newer between the bundled one and the system one
21:06:26 <azubieta> then it picks the newer to execute the bundle
21:06:41 <FLHerne> But I thought there was some issue where those conflicted ... ah
21:07:42 <azubieta> glibc is backward compatible so it's safe to bind a binary built with an old glibc to a newer binary
21:20:10 <FLHerne> I thought there were issues with libx11 and so on as well, but I guess they're solved similarly
21:20:42 <FLHerne> How does it know which lib versions to bundle? Just the ones from the host?
21:22:07 <FLHerne> Oh, they're in appimage-builder.yml?
21:22:31 <FLHerne> Why is there an 'exclude' list?
21:22:39 * FLHerne should perhaps read the docs :p
21:54:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] 2TallTyler opened issue #161: Industry probability differs when set by property versus callback https://git.io/JUuOJ
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22:22:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] frosch123 commented on issue #161: Industry probability differs when set by property versus callback https://git.io/JUuOJ
22:23:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #8311: Industry probability differs when set by property versus callback https://git.io/JUuOB
22:27:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #8311: Industry probability differs when set by property versus callback https://git.io/JUuOB
22:31:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 opened pull request #8312: Fix #8311, b98c7763de4: Industry probability at map generation was sc… https://git.io/JUuOi
22:41:02 <supermop_Home> well someone derailed a subway train today
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22:58:22 <supermop_Home> yo andythenorth
23:06:37 <supermop_Home> someone derailed a train by throwing stuff onto the tracks today here
23:12:28 <FLHerne> Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries.
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23:16:45 <supermop_Home> hopefully this will provide some motivation for screen doors finally
23:17:17 <supermop_Home> the 140+ people killed by trains in a typical year seems not to
23:22:24 <FLHerne> That's an absurdly high number
23:22:31 <FLHerne> Is that including suicides?
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