IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-09-15
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12:49:32 <FLHerne> Oh, damn, I missed something :p
13:03:29 <andythenorth_> including release dates in the changelog is possibly lolz
13:04:47 <FLHerne> We should make the release script add them
13:04:59 <FLHerne> I've written a TT-Forums post
13:05:06 <FLHerne> (using the script :D_
13:05:24 <FLHerne> At this rate, I may recover the time I spent writing that before I die :p
13:05:55 <FLHerne> ...the release script should post on TT-Forums :D
13:06:04 <FLHerne> Does phpBB have any usable API?
13:08:35 <andythenorth_> I bumped the thread title
13:30:48 <TrueBrain> clearly .dorpsgek.yml needs fixing :)
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15:33:19 <TrueBrain> the OpenTTD wiki pushes ~120GB a month .. lol
15:33:41 <andythenorth_> do we need an image CDN? :P
15:33:49 <andythenorth_> hello supermop_Home
15:34:04 <TrueBrain> if that bandwidth is an issue, we should slap cloudflare in front of it tbfh :P
15:34:12 <TrueBrain> but it just made me giggle how actively used the wiki is
15:34:50 <TrueBrain> owh ... "grfsearch.openttd.org" is not a plain redirect .. it does some logic with the URL parameters .. owh joy :)
15:37:52 <TrueBrain> right, there are like ~10 redirect domains on OpenTTD .. so far I have been making a separate cloudfront for each domain, just because it is easier .. but this will be a bit noisy .. do I care? Hmm, I guess not
15:40:36 <TrueBrain> the migration is starting to near completion .. just a few things remaining I can do, and a few others have to do .. :)
15:43:08 <TrueBrain> owh, and there is still the matter of email .. yes .. I forgot ..
16:14:24 <supermop_Home> does Debussy go on the shelf in the D section, or alphabetical by pianist?
16:15:17 <andythenorth_> supermop_Home you are playing the wrong game
16:16:33 <andythenorth_> all physical filing systems suffer from needing to be n-dimensional where they can only (usually) be 1-dimensional
16:16:40 <andythenorth_> this is the same problem as sorting lego
16:17:14 <andythenorth_> supermop_Home there is one true solution however
16:20:45 <Timberwolf> I did that with my CDs once, before I got to the point where "still fits in the cupboard" became the overwhelming concern of any organisational system.
16:21:57 <andythenorth_> I sold all my CDs
16:22:11 <andythenorth_> and I have been giving away a lot of books on the street
16:22:21 <andythenorth_> I might clear out the lego next
16:33:53 <supermop_Home> i have grown vinyl by about 10" during covid
16:34:03 <supermop_Home> will not be fun next move
16:34:24 <supermop_Home> CDs are long since relocated to parents house
16:36:02 <supermop_Home> I've thought about moving to by label / catalog #
17:25:32 <andythenorth_> supermop_Home that's a really nice picture tonally
17:25:37 <andythenorth_> did I send you the braun site?
17:25:41 <FLHerne> Yeah, my bookshelves are a case of "now where did I last see that?"
17:29:13 <FLHerne> On this shelf next to me, I have a pocket guide to Venice, "Fowler's Modern English Usage, second edition, revised by Sir Ernest Gowers and competely reset", "Animals: tracks, trails and signs", a Pentax camera manual, and "The Tale of jemima Puddle-Duck"
17:29:36 <FLHerne> Oh, and 'Waiting for Godot'
17:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never seen any of those
17:37:11 <supermop_Home> andythenorth_ he was well known to us when i worked at vitsoe
17:38:12 <supermop_Home> the color think can work though, if you associate the gestalt of the album cover with the feeling of listening to it
17:38:51 <supermop_Home> something i had in high school when i had maybe 60 CDs, not anymore when my options for listening to music are essentially boundless
17:39:17 <supermop_Home> also if the spine color doesn't match the cover you are screwed
17:39:56 <supermop_Home> i used to collect braun objects for awhile, but not much of the big stuff like my boss
17:40:15 <supermop_Home> the PS500 turntable in that pic is a super rare 60hz version
17:40:46 <supermop_Home> basically made to be sold to USAF officers posted to Rammstein AFB
17:48:24 <Timberwolf> I would like to do the open shelves thing but I imagine with two dogs it'd be a disaster.
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17:54:47 <supermop_Home> Timberwolf do your dogs have poor taste in music?
17:56:24 <Timberwolf> They destroyed a Grand Budapest Hotel Blu-Ray, so they're definitely not aligned on film tastes.
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19:31:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: did you know grfsearch.openttd.org has some kind of wacky php script to redirect everything to the grfcrawler with different URL parameters? :P
19:32:31 <frosch123> yes, it's the only time i wrote php
19:32:49 <frosch123> and it was your idea to use php
19:33:06 <TrueBrain> yeah, using PHP is fine
19:33:14 <TrueBrain> but why the change of parameters :P
19:33:32 <TrueBrain> to do with how the client implemented it?
19:33:38 <frosch123> we wanted a sane url for ottd, than we can adapt for whatever
19:33:45 <TrueBrain> ah :) Fair enough :)
19:33:49 <TrueBrain> well, now I need to port this to Javascript :P
19:33:53 <TrueBrain> should be easy enough .. I think
19:33:54 <frosch123> grfcrawler was already considered dead in 2008
19:34:28 <TrueBrain> so we should add something to bananas-web to do this properly, you say?
19:35:14 <TrueBrain> more chance on hits!
19:35:25 <TrueBrain> grfcrawler still is .. euh .. empty
19:35:26 <frosch123> ottd already searches bananas
19:35:47 <frosch123> there is no point in reporting bananas stuff in grfsearch
19:35:55 <frosch123> grfsearch is specific for things not on bananas
19:36:06 <TrueBrain> so we keep redirecting it
19:36:22 <frosch123> and thus, i think it's the job of bananas-haters to implement a better grfcrawler
19:36:58 <andythenorth_> oh I'm even logged into it
19:37:25 <frosch123> what are you doing on forums though :p
19:37:48 <andythenorth_> nml got released
19:38:08 <frosch123> ah, the andy cycle :)
19:38:18 <frosch123> yesterday you told me about quitting nml :p
19:38:24 <andythenorth_> I had to change the topic title as I started it
19:38:34 <andythenorth_> FLHerne released it :D
19:38:51 <andythenorth_> now I just have to do 3 nml tickets, and I can wash my hands of it
19:39:41 <andythenorth_> I have to pay off my NRT debts
19:39:45 <TrueBrain> holy crap, it took me a while to find a server with NewGRFs not on BaNaNaS
19:40:03 <andythenorth_> except where it didn't
19:40:06 <TrueBrain> it never was losing ;)
19:41:09 <frosch123> did bananas2 win over bananas1 yet?
19:41:59 <TrueBrain> most uses of grfsearch is with an empty search string :)
19:42:31 <frosch123> yes, that's when you just press the button
19:42:42 <frosch123> search by text is when you already searched with text on bananas before
19:42:54 <frosch123> search by grfid is only for savegames
19:42:57 <TrueBrain> about 100 people a day press the button
19:43:02 <TrueBrain> curious people, I am sure :P
19:43:17 <TrueBrain> next-up are some grfids . I am guessing joining a server
19:43:26 <TrueBrain> 3 times a day, on average
19:43:36 <frosch123> my finger also slips sometimes, and i just click something
19:43:38 <TrueBrain> first search-text is zbase
19:44:03 <TrueBrain> not many text searches
19:44:09 <frosch123> and both are on bananas :p
19:44:12 <TrueBrain> most are savegame/server
19:44:51 <TrueBrain> guess an empty search should go to the frontpage
19:45:06 <TrueBrain> well, should be easy to javascript-ify this
19:45:09 <frosch123> isn't that line 15?
19:45:56 <TrueBrain> main difficulty will be testing if urlencode is needed or not in the land of javascript
19:46:03 <TrueBrain> it really depends on how the query parameters are given
19:46:13 <TrueBrain> and boy this will be difficult to test :D
19:46:31 <frosch123> also, 15% of authors migrated 30% of the packages to bananas2
19:46:36 <frosch123> so, bananas1 is still ahead
19:46:49 <andythenorth_> is there a sunset date?
19:46:55 <TrueBrain> it is BaNaNaS v1.5 ! :P v2 is still in the works :P :P
19:47:15 <TrueBrain> andythenorth_: there is .. few months ago :P
19:47:41 <TrueBrain> v1 no longer exists in reality; it is now only a paper tiger
19:48:29 <frosch123> andythenorth_: it's like your 3 ticket list
19:48:41 <frosch123> once everyone has migrated, i can be sure there won't be more mails
19:49:20 <frosch123> otherwise migration ends when ldap data is lost or so
19:49:56 <TrueBrain> owh, right, you need LDAP for cross validation .. that is a fair point
19:50:16 <TrueBrain> today I almost shut down the VM with grfsearch on it :P
19:50:30 <TrueBrain> it was only that I couldn't find the script, that I found out it was on that VM :D
19:50:48 <TrueBrain> I never updated the motd to tell me that :P
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19:55:24 <TrueBrain> right, cleaned up the DNS a bit ..
19:55:34 <TrueBrain> so many records that were no longer used :P
20:10:10 <supermop_Home> more records in todays mail
20:10:23 <supermop_Home> i need an intervention
20:10:45 <supermop_Home> andythenorth_ one of them is a dieter rams record
20:13:30 <supermop_Home> to go on my vitsoe shelf
20:15:44 <supermop_Home> well it is a Brian Eno soundtrack to a dieter rams movie
20:17:07 <supermop_Home> also the RSD re-release of phaedra
20:20:22 <supermop_Home> according to tracking, another will arrive by 8 today
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