IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-08-06
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14:50:00 <andythenorth> electric gronk for 2020? o_O
14:50:45 <andythenorth> I do wonder about this hybrid madness
14:50:48 <andythenorth> there's a few of these
14:50:58 <andythenorth> self-charging hybrid train prototypes
14:51:13 <andythenorth> otherwise known as 'diesel-electric, with extra weight and complications'
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14:53:26 <andythenorth> "The locomotive is self-contained, with onboard battery charging coming from a low-emission diesel engine (so they don’t need plugging in at night!)."
14:54:12 <FLHerne> Eh, for a shunter I can see it
14:54:17 <andythenorth> not really seeing the benefit, grid power is cheaper than diesel, and requires less frequent bunkerage
14:54:32 <FLHerne> But yes, plugging it in seems like the obvious next step
14:54:36 <andythenorth> I definitely want to buy a PHEV vehicle, because of range anxiety
14:54:45 <andythenorth> why make a virtue of not being able to plug it in :P
14:54:53 <andythenorth> so much fear of electric cables :P
14:54:55 <FLHerne> Not enough power sockets in random railway yards?
14:56:51 <Timberwolf> I already have to plug in my normal diesel car due to lack of use. An electric one will be an easy adaptation.
14:58:22 <andythenorth> Timberwolf, unrelated what date is your last train? o_O
14:58:41 <Timberwolf> 2019, but there's quite a big gap.
14:58:50 <Timberwolf> I was at Stratford earlier today, seeing things I wanted to draw :)
15:00:06 <Timberwolf> Also wondering if anyone will make the horror of an electric car that sounds like a Desiro.
15:03:28 <andythenorth> when I started Horse around 2014 it was quite hard to find much of interest for the 2014 era
15:03:55 <andythenorth> no rebuilt 73/9, no rebuilt 56, not many new units, no 68, no 88,
15:04:14 <andythenorth> no random new shunters
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15:23:24 <CornsMcGowan[m]> nice visibility though
15:26:24 <Timberwolf> That has an oddly Thunderbirds vibe to it.
15:26:27 <andythenorth> the CB40 one sounds so odd
15:26:33 <andythenorth> really grunty for a battery engine
15:26:42 <Timberwolf> I think it's partly the sound, partly the size and lowness.
15:26:58 <andythenorth> maybe the mic is weird on that video
15:27:17 <andythenorth> sounds amazing though
15:37:45 <CornsMcGowan[m]> its so clean too
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15:54:16 <CornsMcGowan[m]> re: the pathfinding route builders, should the road planner allow/forbid level crossings? or make it an option for the user
15:55:11 <CornsMcGowan[m]> also: is there a setting that forbids level crossings on other company tracks?
15:56:37 <_dp_> no such setting but would be nice to have
15:58:07 <CornsMcGowan[m]> isn't it only a detriment to the road-builder as trains can destroy rvs
15:58:22 <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh but it prevents the rail-company from building signals or more track pieces
16:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have signals under bridges
16:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise to the question: it should be an option
16:25:38 <FLHerne> Timberwolf: Also, it's brightly-coloured and has a large single-digit number on the side
16:26:55 <FLHerne> Anyway, that's not *really* low
16:29:05 <Timberwolf> I think what's really making me think Thunderbirds is all those tracking shots of it moving slowly past with appropriate engine noises.
16:31:17 <Timberwolf> Just needs an in-cab shot with some puppets, then a close up to a real person's hand pressing a button which inexplicably makes it attempt to travel at top speed for the next 40 miles, with no way to cancel or back out.
16:32:35 <FLHerne> Sometimes because it's been sabotaged as part of some illogical plot?
16:39:57 <andythenorth> FLHerne I think there aren't enough pixels to draw that one low enough :P
16:41:14 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Now we know why Pikka started using EZ
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20:12:21 <andythenorth> I have played this game now for 121 years, about 3 weeks of RL
20:15:18 <frosch123> in a pikka set you would approach new generation steam engines
20:19:32 <andythenorth> I am considering daylength :P
20:21:03 <andythenorth> does GS have buttons yet? :P
20:21:40 <andythenorth> so that, plus vehicle availability
20:21:47 <andythenorth> means we could write a research GS
20:21:57 <andythenorth> 'push button to research new tech'
20:22:01 <frosch123> some buttons were available since 1.2
20:22:04 <andythenorth> 'researching: 10 years left'
20:23:17 <nielsm> yeah the question popups
20:24:46 <andythenorth> the new ones in the story book seem most appropriate to research?
20:25:04 * _dp_ suspects some of those 1.2 buttons were never ever used by anyone
20:25:09 <andythenorth> assuming that the goal is to let player decide when to advance tech level
20:25:48 <frosch123> _dp_: zuu used them in the tutorial and other stuff
20:26:13 <andythenorth> my ideas isn't to replicate the ways some games offer strategy choices, e.g. "Do you want to research ships or aeroplanes"
20:26:26 <andythenorth> more just a daylength faker: 'advance tech level'
20:26:52 <frosch123> research transport of cassava?
20:26:55 <andythenorth> then it makes available new vehicles for some date range
20:27:07 <andythenorth> frosch123 researching by transport type is more interesting narratively :D
20:27:15 <andythenorth> I suspect it can't be done :)
20:28:05 <frosch123> to advance train research have 100 ships run at profit
20:28:39 <frosch123> to advance train research, replace your most profitable train route with trucks
20:29:07 <andythenorth> and sometimes I run the 1970s trains
20:29:11 <andythenorth> and sometimes I run the 1990s trains
20:29:18 <andythenorth> I just want that for OpenTTD :P
20:29:30 <andythenorth> Pikka has sort of done it with a parameter in UKRS 3
20:30:24 <andythenorth> I'd like to make a miniature train foamer world until I'm bored of it, then press upgrade
20:31:22 <andythenorth> also I think that train in the picture needs more power
20:32:01 <andythenorth> it's only about 22,000 hp IRL
20:45:55 <MrSan> hi all. havea question about openGFX. are the compiled file OS indenpendent?
20:46:29 <MrSan> is ther anywhere a "precompiled" release can be downloaded?
20:46:41 <nielsm> all openttd content is both os and architecture independent
20:47:05 <b_jonas> yes, I think there's a precompiled version on the server
20:47:14 <b_jonas> ah, FLHerne is faster
20:47:48 <MrSan> last question what is different between any and all?
20:48:31 <nielsm> the dropdown box filters on os/arch usually, but there is only one which is "any"
20:48:40 <nielsm> "all" shows all available packages for the version
20:48:53 <FLHerne> Hm, file a wobsite bug :p
20:49:08 <FLHerne> The dropdown might as well not exist in that case
20:49:46 <MrSan> i agree was a bit confusing
20:50:09 <MrSan> but atleast any and all has the same meaning :) (any os and All os :))
20:51:55 <MrSan> ok sorry guys 2 more question : i dont really understand why a dedicated need openGFX, but will a dedicated also need openSFX? and they are also os independent? (like i can use the same files on wihdows and linux)
20:52:09 <nielsm> oh btw, if you're making any kind of automated deployment or install system, make sure to use the generic CDN link, and not any redirect you get from it
20:52:25 <nielsm> there's also a way to get manifest files to programmatically discover the available downloads
20:52:30 <MrSan> ofc nielsm. doing a Yocto image (if you know wat that is)
20:52:40 <frosch123> MrSan: you can use "NoSFX"
20:52:52 <MrSan> frosch123: can i use NoGFX also?
20:53:10 <frosch123> there also used to be a NoGFX set, but i do not know any working link
20:53:46 <frosch123> no_sound and no_music are bundled with ottd
20:53:52 <frosch123> nogfx is more complicated
20:54:27 <nielsm> nogfx actually still needs the graphics, just blank sprites instead
20:54:41 <MrSan> ah. to bad its like that. as for a dedicated server i dont see any need for sprites
20:55:10 <frosch123> the problem is that for reasons the graphics files also contain other data, not just sprites
20:55:30 <b_jonas> yeah, game behavior like what each train does
20:55:44 <nielsm> no that's not part of the baseset
20:56:02 <nielsm> the base vehicles and cargo types and industries are hardcoded in the game code
20:56:10 <b_jonas> the vehicles too? I see
20:56:35 <nielsm> it's only NewGRF files that contain game data in that way, baseset files are GRF files but not NewGRF files
20:57:59 <MrSan> well il just have to got from a 501 mb os to 3gig due to openGFX :(
20:58:04 <nielsm> (and that's not entirely true either, since the baseset does need to contain some newgrf stuff to add graphics for the various extra features ottd has over the original game and that graphics is defined in a different way from the "raw" sprite data in "old" grf files)
20:58:04 <MrSan> thanks all for your help
20:58:25 <frosch123> since when is ogfx 3gig :p
20:58:43 <b_jonas> MrSan: 3 gigabytes? no way
20:58:54 <MrSan> i looked at the zip file
20:59:23 <frosch123> no, that's the sources. it's 3
20:59:45 <b_jonas> you could get 3 gigabytes if you download a lot of NewGRF with high zoom level graphics
20:59:56 <b_jonas> but even then it's hard
21:00:16 <MrSan> according to content in zip its 5,07 mb :)
21:00:32 <MrSan> b_jonas: i just want a dedicated server :)
21:00:46 <MrSan> on a rpi 4 with optimized os
21:01:45 <MrSan> so i should not UNPACK the zip?
21:02:37 <frosch123> do not untar the tar
21:04:31 <MrSan> well the one i get from the home page is a zip
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21:04:53 <FLHerne> MrSan: It's a zip with a tar in it
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21:09:47 <MrSan> FLHerne: so i only need to place the tar in /usr/share/games/openttd/baseset/?
21:10:32 <MrSan> lets hope this works. 8 hour clean compile of OS. and openttd
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