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01:31:05 <glx> <FLHerne> I don't know /why/ anyone would insist on a three-year-old version of an open-source browser <-- maybe their favorite extension doesn't work on >38
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03:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they got lulled in by the label "long term support"?
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08:30:44 <andythenorth> meh reddit JGRPP bingo failed again
08:31:02 <andythenorth> position #6 in the comments, has to be top 3 to win bingo
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13:10:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14) https://git.io/JvLQL
13:14:35 <TrueBrain> wow, the inline comments from the commit checker are awesome ..
13:14:39 <TrueBrain> I need to hug glx when he gets online :)
13:15:21 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14) https://git.io/JvzbN
13:18:34 <spnda> I was just about to comment on an issue because I just didn't find my issue....
13:18:46 <spnda> Guess what happened when I looked in the code? I saw the issue
13:19:05 <spnda> 12 days of no progress because I did [0] instead of [CT_DEFAULT]
13:32:52 <LordAro> TrueBrain: no, 0xfffff
13:36:41 <TrueBrain> that programmers humor :P
13:37:39 <FLHerne> Nah, you can write numbers in base e now :P
13:40:20 <SpComb> exadecimal, base 10^18
13:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> fffff in base 10^18 is some incredibly huge number
13:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (and that's even before settling on a standard on what digit "f" actually represents)
14:07:28 <SpComb> I like big numbers and I cannot lie
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15:46:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/JvzpV
16:40:57 <spnda> my grf has 15555 downloads now. nice num
17:06:05 <andythenorth> mine have much fewer :(
17:09:09 <planetmaker> eGRVTS 1.0 557819 times wins. As usual ;)
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17:20:50 <andythenorth> Samu: apparently Greta is real BTW
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17:38:59 <TrueBrain> andythenorth : how did she smell?
17:39:36 <andythenorth> didn't get that close
17:39:40 <andythenorth> could be an android
17:39:46 <andythenorth> the crowd smelt..wet and cold
18:10:27 <Samu> oh, setting flags is a bit misleading for me
18:18:18 <Samu> nielsm, i'm getting a weird behaviour with oil wells
18:20:24 <Samu> with a production of 117
18:21:40 <Samu> gonna experiment without setting any flag
18:26:58 <Samu> only happens with the flag set
18:27:12 <Samu> without flag, it doesn't announce imminent closure
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18:58:49 <Samu> i can't seem to find a use for GetLastProductionYear
18:59:09 <Samu> raw industries just produce all the time
19:08:55 <Samu> firs of course ruin the definition of raw industry, processing industry
19:09:22 <Samu> a Port isn't either, but it still produces cargo
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19:19:51 <TrueBrain> glx: the GitHub PR review annotation from commit-checker is epic :D
19:19:53 <TrueBrain> that is so much better :D
19:20:34 <glx> it doesn't work well when there are multiple commits
19:21:01 <TrueBrain> improvements are always possible
19:21:04 <TrueBrain> but this is very nice already :D
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19:23:01 <glx> but #7955 seems to be a very good test :)
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19:28:26 <spnda> glx: why is 7955 a good tets? because it's a big change?
19:28:53 <glx> no because there are many errors in the commit ;)
19:29:24 <spnda> Ah right. Already fixed them aswell. They're really good. Thanks
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20:41:31 <frosch123> there is a newgrf named RTFM ?
20:51:31 <spnda> ...... i accidentally stashed all my changes for nml roadstops when I was testing stuff for OpenTTD/nml#90... noooooooooo
20:52:07 <frosch123> why is that a problem?
20:52:35 <spnda> because I now have to reimplement all the properties again :((
20:52:45 <frosch123> "stash" is not "delete"
20:53:01 <frosch123> it's "store on the attic"
20:53:13 <frosch123> check "git stash list"
20:53:31 <frosch123> and "git stash pop"
20:57:03 <peter1138> How long have you been stashing, thinking it was deleting?
20:58:01 <spnda> Idk. I doubt it was much anyway.
20:58:09 <_dp_> not the worst way to delete stuff tho xD
20:58:11 <peter1138> git stash list will show you...
20:59:54 <spnda> there's a stash in there from my pr #6666.... oof
21:05:12 <frosch123> nice, some bananas descriptions comment about ttdp compatibility
21:12:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets
21:14:15 <frosch123> yes, that is already considered
21:15:04 <frosch123> the award for most deprecated sets goes to that australian guy
21:15:24 <spnda> i have 0 deprecated sets
21:17:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: is there something misleading in the nml spec about grfids? i would think people notice themself that using 100 grfids for the same grf is weird
21:18:02 <andythenorth> are they oz stuff?
21:18:14 <andythenorth> oh yes you said that above
21:18:57 <frosch123> somehow he made a station grf, split it in to N partial grfs, and merged them back or something
21:19:32 <glx> nml doc redirects to standard grf doc on the grfid topic
21:22:32 <frosch123> the award for "most tags" goes to V
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21:26:48 <andythenorth> can I take up that challenge?
21:28:30 <frosch123> i only found a single grf that is co-authored by you
21:28:47 <frosch123> coop uploaded a lot of nice grfs though
21:30:00 <spnda> Btw, is there a bananas api? (for uploading files, editing... from a POST request?)
21:30:12 <frosch123> ask again in 4 weeks
21:30:24 <spnda> so, no just now, but yes in 4 weeks?
21:30:41 <frosch123> currently there is musa, which allows uploading, but not editing
21:31:04 <glx> the service is being rewritten during its migration
21:31:36 <frosch123> spnda: the future is unknown, but there is hope
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21:42:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: RTFM apparently means Rapit Transit For Me
21:44:12 <frosch123> "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" <- just the grf i wanted
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21:47:57 <peter1138> Mmm, that was a nice dinner.
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21:49:18 <andythenorth> I should stop playing tanks
21:54:38 <peter1138> With a huge chunk of salmon...
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22:01:58 <TrueBrain> frosch123: "TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets" <- what do you mean? You mean an entry in global.yaml or something? (your line is a bit vague, so I am trying to fill in some blanks :D)
22:02:24 <frosch123> you have a "deprecated" bool, but maybe it should be a string
22:03:04 <TrueBrain> would only be useful for frontend tbh; the client cannot process that information
22:03:21 <TrueBrain> but sure, I can make it: "deprecated-by", follow by "NewGRF:12345678"
22:03:44 <spnda> peter1138: Did you make all thoe dishes yourself? they all look real good
22:03:47 <TrueBrain> there are also a few entries that are just deprecated. As in: no longer maintained. Not sure how to mark those
22:04:29 <frosch123> i just noticed that N authors came up with N ways to state that sets x and y were merged into z
22:04:47 <TrueBrain> yeah ... they are creative in that :D
22:04:53 <TrueBrain> but it sounds like a nice extension to the client too
22:04:57 <TrueBrain> to follow over grfids
22:05:49 <TrueBrain> deprecated-by or replaced-by ?
22:06:22 <TrueBrain> and when someone simply quit
22:06:41 <spnda> frosch123: "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" is that a real thing?
22:06:53 <frosch123> isn'T that the same as setting all versions to "savegame-only"?
22:07:10 <TrueBrain> but might be nice if that is also in the global.yaml?
22:07:14 <TrueBrain> easier to show in frontend
22:07:40 <frosch123> TrueBrain: "archived"?
22:10:27 <frosch123> aw, V lost his award... korean guys put all tags in english and korean, so they beat him
22:10:54 <TrueBrain> are the UTF-8 correct from what you can tell btw?
22:11:08 <frosch123> they look plausible
22:11:24 <TrueBrain> replaced-by: "Game Script:4C414754"
22:11:44 <frosch123> yes, unless you want / instead of :
22:11:54 <TrueBrain> dependencies use : too
22:12:22 <frosch123> just thought they would match the path
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22:13:29 <TrueBrain> in that case I suggest we change the dependencies too, but the md5-partial is not in the filename
22:13:33 <TrueBrain> might be a nice addition?
22:13:38 <TrueBrain> DATE-MD5PARTIAL.yaml
22:15:52 <andythenorth> we need a grf tree :P
22:19:36 <TrueBrain> having MD5 in filename of versions is ugly as fuck, so not going to do that :D
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22:33:38 <TrueBrain> so frosch123 , how do we want to do this .. are we just going to put this on GitHub, and make a forum post about it, or do we first finish the new BaNaNaS and ask for input when finished?
22:34:52 <frosch123> once you publish it, you have to close old bananas, or do you want to keep syncing it with new updates?
22:35:26 <TrueBrain> I can sync the GitHub for now, till we switch
22:35:54 <frosch123> but people will also start with prs for renames and typo fixes and authorship requests
22:36:05 <TrueBrain> true; so we wait :)
22:38:47 <Samu> how do I post a PR to a PR?
22:41:35 <TrueBrain> frosch123: pushed new commits; the public version of this repo will be recreated and only have a single commit, as a FYI :)
22:41:44 <TrueBrain> my commit messages are now mostly for you to understand what I changed
22:44:15 <TrueBrain> and as a general message for all: we blacklisted a few more entries on BaNaNaS for various of reasons; some you can guess, others are obvious :) No kittens were hurt .. I think :P
22:44:40 <TrueBrain> we are up to 31, so we are doing great :)
22:48:08 <andythenorth> oof internet ads
22:48:14 <andythenorth> is it time to get adblock?
22:52:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: for blacklisted entries I simply make the folder, in there a global.yaml with "blacklisted: true"
22:53:14 <frosch123> probably fine, then it also works as "is this grfid used"
22:54:08 <TrueBrain> pushed to private repo
23:00:11 <frosch123> hmm, i only know iso8601... but i know that various rfcs differ slightly. are the timestamps valid in some rfc? iso8601 would require a "T" between date and time
23:00:54 <TrueBrain> 2020-02-02T20:20:20 ?
23:01:02 <frosch123> (it doesn't matter, whatever is readable by python)
23:01:19 <TrueBrain> lets use YAML dates :)
23:02:05 <frosch123> you can also use "Z" instead of "+00:00"
23:03:02 <TrueBrain> k, will fix. Filenames, they okay like this?
23:05:39 <frosch123> no idea, i would read "*" and use the date inside the file. but maybe make them the same?
23:06:25 <frosch123> it'S also valid to skip the "-"
23:06:51 <frosch123> ":" is probably bad in paths
23:06:58 <TrueBrain> yeah, that is why I removed them :)
23:07:23 <frosch123> "20200202T202020Z" is also valid iso8601
23:07:28 <TrueBrain> no clue if it is really UTC we export these dates in .. but pretty sure nobody is going to care
23:07:46 <frosch123> likely dutch time :)
23:07:54 <frosch123> but yeah, don't bother
23:07:56 <TrueBrain> I would think so too, yes :)
23:08:28 <frosch123> uploaders can only break it once per year
23:12:41 <TrueBrain> this migration script is now 374 lines long
23:12:45 <TrueBrain> we might have overdone it :P
23:13:25 <TrueBrain> and I now have to copy 10GB from one VM to the other ... it is so fucking slow ... but okay .. rsync ftw
23:19:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick requested changes for pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/JvgYg
23:24:30 <Samu> "SamuXarick requested changes " - that sounds fierce!
23:25:16 <Samu> who am I to request anything
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