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00:41:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8006: Codechange: Increase scrollbar length limit to UINT_MAX and make their length properly unsigned https://git.io/Jvup0
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03:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> soo... the game managed to use up all my ram and swap...
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04:37:03 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spauka updated pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/Jvu4O
04:40:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spauka commented on pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/JvzJ8
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08:43:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro requested changes for pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/JvzLG
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10:55:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spauka updated pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/Jvu4O
10:56:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spauka commented on pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/JvzmK
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11:10:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro dismissed a review for pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/JvzLG
11:12:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8025: Remove: Support for macOS before 10.9 https://git.io/JvzYt
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12:01:00 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8023: Fix #7644: (Cocoa) Manually set colorspace to sRGB https://git.io/JvzOV
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13:26:01 <TrueBrain> hmm ... we have some uploads that changes content_type .. that is funny :)
13:26:18 <TrueBrain> SuperLib for example, used to be a GS Library, and is now an AI Library
13:26:40 <TrueBrain> that is not what ishappening
13:26:45 <TrueBrain> they have the same uniqueid
13:26:49 <TrueBrain> and are in 2 categories .. ah
13:26:51 <TrueBrain> that makes more sense
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13:51:15 <TrueBrain> the meta-data of BaNaNaS is 40 MiB ... that is a lot more data than I expected :o
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14:19:30 <TrueBrain> "badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadba" <- cool MD5 :)
14:22:55 <LordAro> the one to actually look out for is d41d8cd... as that's the one for the empty string
14:23:17 <LordAro> which implies you've screwed up reading in the file some how
14:23:34 <LordAro> (this may or may not have been an issue at work a while back)
14:23:52 <TrueBrain> okay, out of all of the content on BaNaNaS, I have 4 entries that appear to be valid but are not really
14:24:04 <TrueBrain> 2 of them because who-ever blacklisted the entries did a poor job (read: me)
14:24:08 <TrueBrain> 1 because of the above md5
14:24:16 <TrueBrain> and 1 because of duplicated uniqueid entries
14:24:29 <TrueBrain> that, out of 4700 or so, is not bad :D
14:25:18 <TrueBrain> how to find a folder that does NOT have a file in it?
14:26:08 <TrueBrain> not empty, not has a specific file :D
14:27:10 <TrueBrain> I will make my script do it :P
14:27:17 <TrueBrain> people did some bat-shit crazy stuff over the years
14:27:23 <LordAro> globbing + some cutting ?
14:27:52 <TrueBrain> for example, invalidating one NewGRF with another .. which has another ID
14:28:28 <TrueBrain> lol, 'test', that is smart
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14:29:12 <TrueBrain> how the hell am I going to validate if all this information I now have is correct
14:30:02 <milek7> is that hash just server tricked into writing arbitrary string?
14:30:09 <milek7> i don't think preimage on md5 is possible?
14:30:39 <TrueBrain> no ,that is me manually changing an entry so I would remember it was bad
14:30:57 <TrueBrain> just .. 10 years ago
14:32:44 <TrueBrain> some people change the grfid on every upload
14:34:36 <TrueBrain> as we have a folder per uniqueid .. hmm .. these folders are basically "deprecated"
14:36:30 <TrueBrain> owh boy, more conflicits in GRF ids ..
14:37:07 <TrueBrain> basically ... if you upload a new version with a different GRFID, BaNaNaS releases the old GRFID for others to upload to
14:37:09 <TrueBrain> that clearly is a bug
14:37:14 <TrueBrain> but I now have 3 cases of this
14:37:19 <TrueBrain> 1 is totally irrelevant
14:37:22 <TrueBrain> the other 2 .. hmm ..
14:38:38 <TrueBrain> hmm .. does the "select upgradable" work for those cases ...
14:39:26 <TrueBrain> so if you had that GRF installed, and you clicked upgrade in the UI, you get another GRF
14:40:44 <TrueBrain> ah, luck has it .. 0 downloads of those GRFs
14:40:53 <TrueBrain> so .. I am just going to make them inactive
14:42:59 <TrueBrain> 195,797,869 downloads of online content (total number) .. and it is online for 11 years .. so ..
14:43:04 <TrueBrain> @calc 195797869 / 11 / 12 / 30
14:43:04 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 49443.9063131
14:43:12 <TrueBrain> 50000 downloads per day from the online content :P
14:43:36 <TrueBrain> (and that is only counting via the OpenTTD client)
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14:46:55 <TrueBrain> hmm .. how to keep stats in the new setup ... I dunno yet
14:50:20 <LordAro> would be a shame to lose them
14:50:44 <TrueBrain> we used to have stats per hour, but that table kept crashing :P
14:50:56 <TrueBrain> so that information hasn't worked in years
14:51:08 <TrueBrain> but knowing almost 200M downloads happened, is just nice to know, I guess
14:51:42 <TrueBrain> tempted to setup an InfluxDB :P
14:51:48 <TrueBrain> anyway, back to what I was doing ...
15:01:25 <TrueBrain> 119 GRFID are used but deprecated by another ID
15:02:33 <TrueBrain> seems many of them had almost no downloads
15:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: that seems like a totally natural statistics
15:03:43 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? :)
15:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> like, 50% of the words in shakespeares works have been used exactly once
15:04:12 <TrueBrain> okay, I think my export is valid now ...
15:04:21 <TrueBrain> only time will tell if that is true, but okay
15:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a side effect of the 80-20 rule (pareto principle)
15:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> pr. bpth are symptoms of the same distribution
15:10:57 <peter1138> Yay, Mono to .Net Core conversion works. Well, it runs at least.
15:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: if it compiles, ship it.
15:12:40 <TrueBrain> hmm ... another "fun" quirk: if I set a dependency of a NewGRF to your NewGRF, and you say: my NewGRF should no longer be available for new games
15:12:44 <TrueBrain> it still is available for new games :P
15:13:10 <peter1138> That's probably how it's meant to work.
15:13:28 <peter1138> Available trumps not available. Hmm.
15:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's why a few newgrf confusingly are available in two versions
15:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's also if a scenario sets it as dependency?
15:14:19 <TrueBrain> any dependency, yes
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15:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it should hide these by default, and magically appear in the selection if the dependency-inducing item is selected
15:16:28 <TrueBrain> I was more thinking: don't show it as dependency ever in the UI, but at download time, download the older version anyway?
15:16:36 <TrueBrain> not sure ... this is not fully trivial :D
15:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that's vaguely similar to what i tried to say
15:18:13 <TrueBrain> differens between never showing, and magically showing, yes :)
15:20:32 <TrueBrain> self._md5sum_mapping = defaultdict(lambda: defaultdict(dict))
15:20:34 <TrueBrain> you got to love Python
15:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never used defaultdict
15:21:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably should have, in some places
15:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'll forget when i need it
15:26:25 <TrueBrain> when ever you do: if a not in b: b[a] = ...
15:26:29 <TrueBrain> you need a defaultdict :)
15:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and i definitely needed that before
15:28:45 <TrueBrain> ghehe, found a funny issue with YAML
15:29:03 <TrueBrain> a user had something like: \stext\n\stext\ntext
15:29:21 <TrueBrain> so in YAML that is: description: |\n\s\s\stext\n\s\s\stext\n\s\stext\n
15:29:39 <TrueBrain> the problem is ... it was thinking: the next lines starting with 3 spaces is part of my description
15:29:46 <TrueBrain> and as the last line was only 2 spaces ...
15:29:56 <TrueBrain> you got to love users, with random spaces in random places
15:30:59 <TrueBrain> omg, all data loaded in the content server ... wtf is this :o
15:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> when it looks like you've won, it's probably a deception
15:32:50 <TrueBrain> it .. really works ..
15:34:39 <TrueBrain> okay, now I need a savegame with an old GRF
15:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> some random ticket?
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15:35:45 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: give me a savegame with an old GRF ! :P
15:36:04 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: all mine use unreleased grfs, no use to you
15:36:14 <andythenorth> coop has a savegame archive somewhere?
15:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause> all mine have dbsetxl 0.82, which is... old... but probably not helpful for your test :p
15:37:18 <TrueBrain> old, and not latest
15:37:21 <TrueBrain> that is what I need :P
15:38:55 <andythenorth> we could make some savegames :P
15:39:10 <TrueBrain> yeah, I am looking for an old GRF now, which has a newer version :)
15:39:47 <andythenorth> all the released versions will also be on bananas
15:42:22 <TrueBrain> there is a function FillContentDetails and FindContentDetails
15:42:26 <TrueBrain> that is not confusing AT ALL
15:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i thought i once uploaded a game to flyspray, but seems like i uploaded it to some personal webspace and just linked it. so that is not accessible anymore
15:48:09 <TrueBrain> funny ... I did not quote the MD5 in YAML
15:48:15 <TrueBrain> so md5sum: ab1234 is fine
15:48:21 <TrueBrain> md5sum: 1234 becomes a number :D
15:48:25 <TrueBrain> stupid me, forgetting to quote :P
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15:53:28 <TrueBrain> so, "fun fact" .. the files andy has for Iron Horse is not what is uploaded to BaNaNaS .. at least not for 1.2.0 :P
15:55:06 <TrueBrain> seems they all have different md5sums
15:55:26 <TrueBrain> yeah .. they are all different
15:55:51 <TrueBrain> I need andy to explain himself :D
16:02:58 <TrueBrain> grfid agrees with me
16:03:06 <TrueBrain> what ever andy puts up on bundles, is not what he uploads to BaNaNaS
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16:04:32 <andythenorth> oof JGRPP bingo failed on reddit
16:04:34 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: EXPLAIN YOURSELF! :P
16:04:40 <andythenorth> not mentioned in top 3 :(
16:04:44 <TrueBrain> the GRFs on bundles are different from what you upload to BaNaNaS
16:04:45 <LordAro> TrueBrain: summoning worked this time
16:04:53 <andythenorth> was all the way down on comment 6
16:04:57 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: wat wat?
16:05:05 <andythenorth> which grf, what's different?
16:05:08 <TrueBrain> I downloaded the tar from the URL you gave for Iron Horse
16:05:25 <andythenorth> there might be some lolz incoming
16:05:28 <TrueBrain> and grfid -m returns an MD5 that is different from the one on BaNaNaS
16:05:40 <TrueBrain> so you are being sneaky?!
16:05:58 <Samu> i am trying to optimize / simplify the code for #8009, and for some reason i'm getting an increase in time needed
16:06:25 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: this sounds lolz
16:08:44 <andythenorth> I have to do some $$££ work, but I am sure there is an explanation :P
16:09:13 <andythenorth> are they the same grfs?
16:09:16 <TrueBrain> what you uploaded has version r914M instead of 1.2.0
16:09:26 <andythenorth> ah yeah that will just be clown shoes
16:09:28 <TrueBrain> so the version string inside is different :)
16:09:34 <andythenorth> 9 out of 10 times I brown bag the release
16:10:04 <andythenorth> I EVEN HAVE A CHECKLIST
16:10:36 <TrueBrain> okay, this works :D w00p
16:10:57 <TrueBrain> it even tells the correct version
16:11:40 <TrueBrain> right, next step done. Now the HTTP part .. shouldn't be hard
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16:21:24 <Samu> i don't understand this. in debug build i was getting worse times, in release build, i expected the same, but nop, the optimisations I tried actually improve times
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16:35:02 <Samu> wow pastebin popup adds are annoying...
16:36:01 <Samu> i double checked these us times
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16:56:49 <Samu> i found a "not really a bug" with npf. it StationType for Oilrigs are STATION_DOCK. It should be STATION_OILRIG
16:57:01 <Samu> but I suppose it doesn't matter, ships still find their way
16:58:44 <Samu> fstd->station_type = v->current_order.IsType(OT_GOTO_STATION) ? STATION_DOCK : STATION_BUOY;
17:02:03 <Samu> *ta = this->docking_station;
17:02:17 <Samu> heh, mere luck that it doesn't get broken
17:02:32 <Samu> they fall into the same category
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17:10:32 <peter1138> Luck or design? o_O
17:21:44 <Samu_> m_destTile = CalcClosestStationTile(m_destStation, v->tile, GetStationType(Station::Get(m_destStation)->xy));
17:22:08 <Samu_> yapf also assumes STATION_DOCK for oilrigs
17:22:28 <Samu_> i was also assuming that too, got to fix?
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17:22:56 <Samu_> btw, what's the difference between BaseStation and Station?
17:38:11 <Samu_> I just realised this is also wrong :(
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17:42:16 <Samu_> there's StationFacility and StationType
17:46:43 <Samu_> I can't properly get StationType if I only have the StationID?
17:56:40 <nielsm> Station is the class for the kind of stations where vehicles can stop and transfer cargo
17:56:49 <nielsm> BaseStation is the parts common between Waypoint and Station
18:16:12 <Samu_> screw it, STATION_DOCK it is
18:16:22 <Samu_> too much work to make it right
18:16:34 <Samu_> after all, it still works
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18:42:32 <Samu> all right, i managed to optimise code for NPF as well, but not as much as YAPF
18:43:25 <Samu> nfp: if (DistanceManhattan(fstd->dest_coords, fstd->v->tile) < 16) {
18:43:45 <Samu> yapf: if (Yapf().GetDestinationDistanceManhattan() < 16) {
18:44:21 <Samu> GetDestinationDistanceManhattan is an already computed DistanceManhattan
18:44:37 <Samu> it just retrieves a number
18:45:03 <Samu> for npf, it has to go through DistanceManhattan function every node :(
18:45:59 <Samu> distancemanhattan is thus computed once per pathfind instance for yapf
18:49:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #8009: Change #8001: Don't add docking tile cost when ships are still too far from their destination https://git.io/Jv41T
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19:03:59 <Samu> cool, it filters out ship depots and buoys
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20:06:26 <andythenorth> Samu: tomorrow I will be able to tell you if Greta is an animatronic fake
20:06:42 * andythenorth suspects she's real, but maybe I'm just sheeple
20:07:17 <andythenorth> if I had a longer lifespan, I would dedicate 10% of it to fucking with conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories
20:07:22 <andythenorth> but as it is, pixels
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20:13:12 <andythenorth> now we can make a mess again? o_O
20:20:41 <frosch123> not sure whether it also makes sense to merge railtypes
20:21:02 <frosch123> or whether to separate it like vehicles: tracktype, rail-specific, road/tram-specific
20:21:43 <frosch123> oh, also action3. someone was very active with copy/paste
20:23:14 <frosch123> why do people have such issues with > and ≥ ?
20:23:36 <frosch123> "Roadtypes are available only in OpenTTD > 1.10"
20:25:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: another year before NRT? :P
20:25:36 <frosch123> but i see, you fixed all the "?" in the specs
20:26:38 <andythenorth> I fixed the ones I saw
20:31:22 <frosch123> hmm, where to list the road/tramtype labels
20:31:24 <andythenorth> yeah merging tramtype and roadtype but not railtype seems odd
20:31:33 <andythenorth> it's all potato / potato though
20:31:38 <frosch123> it makes no sense to create two pages for a single label each :p
20:31:44 <andythenorth> aren't there about 10 railtype pages?
20:32:17 <frosch123> the nml roadtype page is wrong, it lists ELRD and RAIL
20:32:53 <frosch123> i think i rename the page to tracktypelabels, and add them all
20:33:02 <andythenorth> nml roadtype label entry also has a wrong link
20:33:28 <andythenorth> oof I should eat dinner or something, can't brain
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20:56:21 <frosch123> it's true that rail/road/tram/cargo labels are separate in ottd, but within an nml file nml cannot distinguish them
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20:56:54 <frosch123> no idea how to word that :)
20:57:55 <andythenorth> and I will go round again and fix more
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21:05:00 <TrueBrain> yippie, dependencies also work \o/ :D That wasn't easy ... but it works! :D
21:05:53 <TrueBrain> frosch123: found a nice .. issue, we need to solve some day .. a dependency link can make older versions of content appear in the UI :)
21:06:47 <TrueBrain> and nothing the content-server can do about it, as the client fetches all the dependencies to show them
21:07:14 <TrueBrain> so scenarios can keep NewGRFs visible that are set to "savegames-only"
21:11:38 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, that is known. user complained about that
21:12:01 <TrueBrain> here I was, hoping to tell you something new :(
21:12:08 <frosch123> when you download multiple ai, they select libraries in all kind of versions
21:12:19 <TrueBrain> SuperLib is on the list like 7 times
21:12:26 <TrueBrain> not ordered by version, ofc :D
21:13:42 <frosch123> i think there was more stuff broken in ottd about dependencies, but i cant quite remember
21:14:31 <frosch123> i dont think they were fixed, but with lesser ai dev activity, they probably appear less often
21:14:47 <andythenorth> funny how broken it is, but successful
21:14:52 <andythenorth> like most of the internet :P
21:15:09 <TrueBrain> yeah ... 200M ingame downloads over 11 years
21:15:18 <TrueBrain> (BaNaNaS launched in Jan 2009 as beta)
21:15:31 <TrueBrain> that is 50000 ingame downloads per day
21:16:00 <glx> and that includes "select all" downloads
21:16:44 <frosch123> well, compared to 50000 download of ottd per month, that makes 30 bananas downoads per ottd download
21:17:04 <frosch123> though i have no idea how often ottd is downloaded now, stats broke in 2014?
21:17:19 <TrueBrain> I still have to find something to parse the new access logs
21:17:35 <glx> and many probably get it via their package manager
21:19:56 <frosch123> but i don't think we ever reached the 200k downloads of first month of 1.0 ever again :p
21:20:23 <TrueBrain> well, we can get there again if we like .. but things would need to change for that :)
21:20:37 <frosch123> nah, users are annoying
21:21:12 <glx> sometimes they submit good bug reports ;)
21:21:17 <spnda> I wonder how many downloads JGR gets
21:21:32 <TrueBrain> spnda: I wonder too :)
21:21:55 <TrueBrain> lol .... I made a minor change to the "internal" id of the content server
21:21:57 <TrueBrain> it is send as an uint32
21:22:02 <TrueBrain> but OpenTTD client makes an int32 out of it
21:22:07 <TrueBrain> so now I am seeing negative values :D
21:22:13 <frosch123> extrapolating from online servers, it's as popular as nightly sued to be
21:22:36 <frosch123> nightly had about 6% downloads compared to stable
21:22:38 <TrueBrain> I still hope we can lend a bit more of our infrastructure to help out JGR
21:22:53 <TrueBrain> I believe he asked about that a while ago .. I asked a few questions back,never got a reply, if memory serves me well
21:23:06 <frosch123> spnda: so, my guess is about 100/day
21:23:09 <glx> not having nightlies for some time probably reduce their popularity
21:23:15 <spnda> frosch123: We could ask him
21:23:35 <frosch123> are you sure he has stats?
21:23:39 <TrueBrain> while at it, tell him OpenTTD's infrastructure is his too :P
21:23:43 <spnda> Assuming they download over the GitHub repository
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21:24:47 <spnda> If anyone's part of the OpenTTD group on GitHub:
21:24:56 <spnda> I'm sure you can get some info there
21:26:56 <TrueBrain> okay, lets take 2 days ago ... download attempts (not files, it goes in batches, so you can estimate this as amount of clients being active) 1500 for 1.9.3, 500 for 1.10.0-RC1, 150 for 1.8.0, 50 for jgrpp-0.33.2 .. in total jgrpp is .. 150, I would say
21:27:00 <TrueBrain> so that is pretty darn good tbfh
21:27:23 <TrueBrain> download attempts via ingame content thingy btw
21:27:35 <frosch123> 300 unique clones in 2 weeks sounds a lot
21:27:45 <TrueBrain> some people still use 1.1.5 :D Lol
21:28:09 <TrueBrain> 1.0.1 .. even older
21:28:26 <TrueBrain> lets run this on the last 90 days ...
21:28:41 <glx> OS would be interresting for these old versions
21:28:47 <spnda> Actually, that was a bad link
21:28:57 <TrueBrain> not reported, so I don't know that glx
21:29:34 <glx> hmm 1.8.0 is winXP compatible IIRC
21:29:34 <frosch123> there were complains that we dropped 98 last year
21:29:43 <TrueBrain> 177k 1.9.3, 23k 1.10.0-beta2, 15k 1.10.0-beta1, 15k 1.8.0 .. lol
21:30:06 <TrueBrain> 12k jgrpp (over various of versions)
21:30:40 <TrueBrain> that are people downloading 1 or more items from the ingame content listing
21:30:48 <TrueBrain> damn ... OpenTTD is always more popular than I realise ..
21:31:21 <frosch123> so we have about 100k players? assuming that people only visit bananas twice in 90 days
21:31:34 <glx> frosch123: but old mingw/msys doesn't support our code, and I don't know is mingw-w64/msys2 works for win9x
21:32:05 <TrueBrain> frosch123: well, people that use the online content
21:32:10 <TrueBrain> we ofc also have people not doing that
21:32:13 <frosch123> glx: i know, i explcitily told tb to drop any platform that does not compile c++14
21:32:32 <TrueBrain> 134k unique IPs that used the ingame content thingy in the last 90 days
21:32:43 <TrueBrain> 10% of that is jgrpp
21:33:17 <spnda> that'sforthe newest release, 1.10.0-RC1
21:33:25 <glx> spnda: only source package is on github
21:33:43 <spnda> well, it was an example
21:33:52 <spnda> could use it to see JGR's downlaods
21:35:07 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: that use the ingame content, yes. At least deduplicating IPs suggest that :)
21:35:16 <TrueBrain> take it all with a grain of salt, ofc
21:35:22 <frosch123> the referral sites are weird. forums are pretty unpopular
21:35:26 <TrueBrain> but that are a lot of players, damn ...
21:36:17 <spnda> Newest JGR was downloaded 91 times lol
21:36:34 <TrueBrain> the problem with jgrpp currently, is that you need to know about it to find it
21:36:38 <TrueBrain> I would love for it to be more visible
21:36:56 <TrueBrain> like some sort of auto-updater ingame where you can select it, or what-ever
21:37:04 <TrueBrain> or on www.openttd.org
21:38:36 <frosch123> TrueBrain: "helping with creating binaries" is a different thing to "sending newbies your way"
21:39:19 <glx> hehe it can backfire and increase number of invalid bug reports
21:39:25 <andythenorth> I would expect JGR is > 10%
21:39:33 <frosch123> i would not take it for granted that a single-maintainer is happy about getting lots of users at some point
21:39:44 <TrueBrain> so maybe that needs fixing too :)
21:39:53 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: information bias, I am afraid
21:39:55 <andythenorth> maintainer burnout is never obvious until they break
21:40:01 <TrueBrain> just because you read a lot about something, doesn't make it more popular ;)
21:41:24 <andythenorth> but JGR thread recieves ~some level of general OpenTTD bug reports and requests
21:42:07 <TrueBrain> # NSIS can't handle 307 redirects, so force 301 redirects
21:42:09 <TrueBrain> I forgot about that :D
21:43:58 <frosch123> andythenorth: yeah, having to make a quick release to free yourself from getting drowned in bug reports sounds bad
21:44:19 <frosch123> spnda: so, stop advertising jgr, if you want to keep playing it. send newbies to stable :)
21:44:31 <frosch123> keep jgr to yourself as long as you can
21:44:38 <TrueBrain> and hug him, a lot!
21:45:44 <andythenorth> and switch to it as default
21:46:12 <glx> no, that would mean we have to support features unwanted in our code :)
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21:46:15 <TrueBrain> atm we already have issues keeping our own shit afloat .. not sure adopting a complete different codebase is the best move :P
21:46:59 <TrueBrain> but, looking for ways to make it easier for him to maintain the fork, and for us to lurk in some patches, that might be worth some time :)
21:47:14 <andythenorth> theory says that JGR should now be killing OpenTTD
21:47:25 <andythenorth> and the vocal part of the playerbase says it already has
21:47:31 <andythenorth> but 10% is not enough to cross a chasm
21:47:36 <glx> never listen the vocal part
21:47:45 <TrueBrain> you see this with any game on reddit ;)
21:47:53 <TrueBrain> reddit is the top 1% of gamers, some state :P
21:48:22 <frosch123> spnda: what are those stats?
21:48:59 <TrueBrain> I see it a lot with games like Path of Exile, Wolcen, etc ... on reddit the world is burning, while 95% of the players is simply having fun :P
21:48:59 <andythenorth> isn't it distributed in forums?
21:49:29 <andythenorth> the pattern in the business books is that the 'more-features, less quality' fast moving tool kills the established high quality tool
21:49:30 <dwfreed> is the phrase you're looking for :)
21:49:32 <frosch123> andythenorth: forum download numbers are broken for 10 years :)
21:49:33 <andythenorth> we did it to TTDP
21:49:34 <glx> path of exile must die on each new season I guess
21:49:45 <spnda> andythenorth: Yes, on the forums aswell. But only 180 for the newest version there either.
21:49:52 <andythenorth> that is super low
21:50:10 <spnda> I'll trust the GitHub API for the most part...
21:50:13 <andythenorth> there are at least 5 players in forums insisting on JGRPP
21:50:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: ofc the majority of players play ottd on mobile, its a way bigger market
21:50:21 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah, the house burnt down so many times :P
21:50:24 <_dp_> 'more-features, less quality' players don't play openttd :p
21:50:37 <spnda> Yeah, personally I only know people on mobile (irl).
21:50:59 <TrueBrain> I still don't understand how you can play a game like OpenTTD on your mobile
21:51:11 <TrueBrain> I simply cannot understand how it would play
21:51:11 <spnda> I just can't. The UI drives me crazy.....
21:51:20 <spnda> But I'll be heading off.. bye
21:51:39 <_dp_> I think they just don't know there is a pc version
21:52:37 <dwfreed> I mean, it's all point and click, but some aspects, like building roads, would be so annoying
21:52:58 <glx> frosch123: funny the 2 last are the logs
21:53:00 <nielsm> keep in mind more and more people will probably not have a (traditional) PC and only have a tablet/mobile
21:53:30 <frosch123> glx: yes, those frrom webster are probably just me and my dynamic ip
21:53:37 <frosch123> no idea who reads the other log
21:53:58 <TrueBrain> it shows up when you google for openttd irc logs as first hit, I believe
21:55:10 <frosch123> dwfreed: there is a polyline building tool
21:55:36 <frosch123> clicking vertices, not dragging tiles
21:55:52 <_dp_> frosch123, not for roads though
21:56:06 <frosch123> who builds long roads?
21:57:32 <_dp_> also does mobile version even have polyline?
21:57:57 <_dp_> I thought it's just vanilla with gui
21:58:06 <TrueBrain> I still would like to add the emscripten variant on the frontpage .. but it needs cloudsave to be useful :P
21:58:10 <frosch123> no idea, but whenever someone makes a gui-related patch, pelya complains why they did not use the patch already included in the android port :p
21:58:17 <TrueBrain> that would be fun .. that you can just play the game where-ever you are :D
22:03:49 <_dp_> idk, if they can't run regular version why would they want browser one?
22:03:59 <_dp_> especially it's not a mobile version
22:04:17 <_dp_> I see emscripten version more like a savegame/server viewer
22:04:20 <TrueBrain> but .. I could be wrong, and that makes it worth trying :D
22:04:38 <TrueBrain> just ... cloudsaves ... must .... fix ... infrastructure .. first ...
22:05:07 <frosch123> how about an interactive screenshot page?
22:05:21 <frosch123> trains move on the screenshots, and you can continue the games :p
22:05:51 <frosch123> now everyone knows your ip, and can hack you
22:06:35 <frosch123> rude, tb using your computer to mine coins?
22:06:56 <TrueBrain> how else can I afford to work on OpenTTD?
22:07:00 * _dp_ wonders how many people here actually have something on that url
22:07:03 <glx> oh that's why I'm always short on RAM
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22:08:38 <TrueBrain> that is a lot better :D
22:08:42 <Samu> do something about my PR's, they're piling up
22:09:37 <TrueBrain> there is a difference between forgotten and ignored
22:10:19 <TrueBrain> you did notice that only producing PRs is not really helping, right? How about helping in other ways, like making sure other PRs are processed quicker, or help with release notes, or all the other tasks people are swamped with?
22:11:38 <TrueBrain> okay, content-server is feature complete it seems .. that is good progress for a day :D
22:11:43 <andythenorth> maintaining openttd docs, newgrf docs, nml docs, dev docs, opengfx, etc etc
22:11:46 <andythenorth> testing other PRs
22:11:53 <andythenorth> diagnosing reported bugs
22:12:18 <andythenorth> I do all of that, draw sprites for game, AND make biggest, buggiest newgrfs
22:12:24 <andythenorth> not the most popular newgrfs though :(
22:12:33 <glx> hmm disgnosing bugs is not easy :)
22:12:35 <TrueBrain> helping out with Open Source projects is not only producing fixes for problems 0.1% of the people will notice. Sure, they should be fixed some day .. but how about all that other work that needs attending?
22:13:20 <TrueBrain> so please don't -demand- we should attend your PRs .. there is more in the world than just your little island .. and please start helping with OpenTTD in the broader sense
22:13:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I made a full export of BaNaNaS .. I think I will put it on a private repository for now, so possibly you and a few others can look over that I didn't screw up :)
22:14:07 <TrueBrain> I think what I did is fine, and won't trigger any authors in any way
22:14:19 <glx> would be nice if someone could review #7270
22:14:24 <TrueBrain> and it really works well :D
22:14:24 <frosch123> i'll check it for sure
22:15:06 <andythenorth> Samu: I guess there is completionism inside game src, which seems to interest you
22:15:13 <andythenorth> and then there is completionism of entire project
22:19:28 <Samu> i could test the double click to rename vehicle
22:20:16 <Samu> glx, can you help me with git bash again, I can no longer do git pr xxxx
22:20:24 <_dp_> on a topic of PR's... is there still any chance to have #7912 in 1.10?
22:20:56 <glx> Samu: you lost git config ?
22:21:03 <nielsm> _dp_ no, it's a savegame upgrade
22:21:08 <Samu> i formated c:, so i think i did
22:22:03 <andythenorth> git fetch origin pull/6753/head:6753
22:22:17 <andythenorth> per openttd README I think
22:22:33 <Samu> git: 'pr' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
22:22:42 <glx> Samu: git config --global --edit
22:22:43 <frosch123> that pr fetch is less useful than i initially thought. you cannot push to that url
22:22:53 <glx> pr = "!f() { git fetch -fu ${2:-$(git remote | grep ^upstream || echo origin)} refs/pull/$1/head:pr/$1 && git checkout pr/$1; }; f"
22:22:53 <glx> pr-clean = "!git for-each-ref refs/heads/pr/* --format='%(refname)' | while read ref ; do branch=${ref#refs/heads/} ; git branch -D $branch ; done"
22:23:17 <frosch123> even fetching a second time after a pr update is hard
22:23:20 <TrueBrain> install the GitHub CLI client!
22:23:24 <TrueBrain> I read it is pretty good :)
22:23:31 <Samu> im now gonna keep that in a handy document
22:23:47 <nielsm> frosch123 yeah I usually add the submitter's fork as another remote and check out their branch
22:24:14 <glx> same I add a remote and set the upstream
22:24:16 <TrueBrain> not done yet, but I just wanted to sync it to remote
22:27:03 <frosch123> is that for backend horses?
22:28:21 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I just send you an invite
22:28:37 <TrueBrain> I did in the end import also older versions, as that made the code a lot less complicated. I think it is fine with the content there is
22:28:46 <TrueBrain> I filtered out authors that requested to be filtered out
22:29:07 <TrueBrain> the world is now very simple: savegame-only downloads are in the repository listed under the uniqueid
22:29:16 <TrueBrain> (and both marked as such)
22:29:33 <TrueBrain> some uniqueids are in global.yaml marked as "deprecated" .. those are uniqueids no longer used by the original author
22:29:40 <TrueBrain> (but they do have "savegame-only" versions)
22:29:52 <TrueBrain> let me know what you think; any and all feedback is welcome
22:30:37 <TrueBrain> (for older versions it adds description/tags/etc only if they differ from "global")
22:31:41 <TrueBrain> amount of content loaded in :)
22:33:16 <TrueBrain> if anyone else would like to review the BaNaNaS GitHub repository before I bring it public, please do let me know :)
22:33:20 <andythenorth> bloody newgrf authors :)
22:34:07 <TrueBrain> GitHub is really quick navigating this repo :P
22:34:54 <TrueBrain> only 2 Base Sounds, lol
22:34:55 <Samu> hmm i can double click on a competitor road vehicle and try rename it, only to get an error saying it's not mine
22:35:16 <TrueBrain> Samu: and I think exactly those kind of observations should go in PR comments :)
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22:36:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #8008: Feature: Double-click to rename vehicle https://git.io/JvzV0
22:37:42 <Samu> hmm the tooltip doesn't mention anything about double-click to rename
22:38:35 <frosch123> TrueBrain: the website says "724 newgrf", but there are 812 folders in the repo. are you telling me that 11% of newgrf are weird?
22:38:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: 119 uniqueids (over all content-types) are no longer used
22:39:06 <TrueBrain> basically, the user uploaded a new version with a different uniqueid
22:39:20 <TrueBrain> let me check how many of those are in the NewGRF category
22:39:28 <frosch123> why did bananas even allow that?
22:39:41 <TrueBrain> I found more bugs in BaNaNaS :)
22:40:34 <TrueBrain> 79 of those were NewGRFs
22:40:49 <TrueBrain> so that leaves 9 .. let me see ..
22:43:23 <frosch123> for scenarios there is also a big discrepancy
22:43:31 <frosch123> does it not match updates to scenarios?
22:44:24 <TrueBrain> scenarios are also a bit of a mess ... a lot of people there too uploaded new versions with new uniqueids
22:44:28 <TrueBrain> but I think BaNaNaS does this
22:44:42 <frosch123> uniqueids are not in control of the user for scenarios
22:45:09 <TrueBrain> musa allows you to set the same one you used before, basically
22:45:16 <frosch123> otoh, they do not really matter for scenarios, so maybe we shoudl fix them
22:45:57 <TrueBrain> okay, for NewGRFs the remaining difference are the silversurfer-dudes entries. They are not listed on the website (rightfully), but their folder is generated (as he was fine with the "savegame-only" part)
22:46:16 <TrueBrain> yeah, we can bring scenarios back under the same uniqueid, but: which? :D
22:46:19 <TrueBrain> the latest, I guess
22:46:49 <frosch123> yes, latest results in the best upgrade behaviour
22:47:23 <TrueBrain> yeah, 40 or so are indeed changes-of-unique-ids
22:47:54 <TrueBrain> one issue with moving them, is that we still need to reserve those IDs from future use
22:49:06 <frosch123> they are assigned by bananas, so not sure what algorithm you were planning for assingin g them
22:49:26 <frosch123> but using max-used-id+1 is easier than first-gap
22:49:27 <TrueBrain> did not consider it at all, but good point, we can just take a higher number than current
22:49:29 <TrueBrain> and it should be fine
22:50:10 <TrueBrain> more special code .. this migration script .. you really don't want to know :P
22:50:52 <frosch123> btw. i got the "first-gap" in the coding test in the interview of my current job
22:50:58 <TrueBrain> hmm .. for "savegame-only", compatibility can be removed, not?
22:51:34 <frosch123> find the first positive integer that is not in a vector
22:51:55 <frosch123> at may old company we only tested whether people can find min/max
22:52:05 <frosch123> but first gap is surprisingly harder
22:52:19 <TrueBrain> you have to write it from scratch?
22:52:52 <TrueBrain> so either you remember quicksort, or you have a slow-as-fuck algorithm :D
22:53:09 <TrueBrain> and I can never remember how quicksort worked again :P
22:53:13 <frosch123> the first-gap? the company has a godbolt-like webinterface, you can write code, compile and need to pass prepared unit tests
22:53:28 <TrueBrain> wow, that is ... impressively prepared :D
22:53:31 <frosch123> you start with the function prototype and empty body
22:53:43 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yep, i was impressed as well
22:53:51 <TrueBrain> did you pass the test? :D
22:54:06 <frosch123> at old company we showed code on slides, and they had to find standard bugs, like unintialized variables and dangling pointers
22:54:21 <TrueBrain> I hate those tests .. they tell so little
22:54:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it took more time to explain my solution than to write it
22:54:46 <frosch123> TrueBrain: no, they tell a lot
22:55:01 <frosch123> i am the author of the coding test at my old company
22:55:15 <frosch123> its super easy questions who everyone with a little practice can answer in 5 seconds
22:55:35 <TrueBrain> owh, we used to have them where even I had to look 5 times to spot the issue
22:55:46 <frosch123> but you immediately discover people who only wrote some code in their mandatory c lecture 5 years ago
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22:56:08 <TrueBrain> we just tell them to write a solver for a puzzle .. it will be at least 200 lines of Python
22:56:18 <TrueBrain> but yeah, you want to split those groups apart
22:56:20 <frosch123> that's a lot harder :p
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22:56:38 <TrueBrain> "Do you have any programming experience?" - "Yes, I wrote this for a class, and that for a class, and this for a class ..." - "okay, you can go now"
22:56:52 <LordAro> i can think of about 3 different solutions, depends on how fast you want it to be :p
22:56:56 <frosch123> in the find-bugs test, there were essentially two kind of people. those who failed, and those who laughed at the easyness
22:57:04 <frosch123> sometimes i thought we scare the good ones away :p
22:58:14 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i also know the coding test at the polish subsidiary of my old company
22:58:22 <frosch123> but that was really a terrible test
22:58:54 <frosch123> most of it were very basic questions about two code samples, then those questions were mixed, and people had to solve them under time pressure
22:59:16 <frosch123> so, the only thing that was actually tested was, whether people can sort the questions by code sample, before answering them
22:59:24 <frosch123> performing easy tasks under pressure
22:59:44 <frosch123> that explained a lot about the people that acutally got hired :s
23:00:07 <TrueBrain> I am happy we changed tactics, and we are fine with motivated people :) We can train them to be developers on the job :P (we also dropped the solver-test .. which I think is still a shame :P)
23:01:14 <LordAro> "can solve an algorithmic problem" is basically all you need to look for
23:01:21 <LordAro> specific language knowledge is mostly redundant
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23:01:41 <LordAro> (we write Ada, we'd never hire anyone if we wanted previous experience!)
23:01:44 <TrueBrain> I did .. 100+ interviews over the last few years .. you know within a few minutes if someone is a coder by just talking to them, really
23:02:34 <TrueBrain> people uploaded content to BaNaNaS! How dare they :P
23:02:41 <frosch123> in that case noone would have been a coder at my old company :p we mostly hired electrical engineers, who also had to know coding
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23:03:25 <LordAro> turns out you should hire for the job, not just something generic
23:03:41 <LordAro> TrueBrain: Aerospace, comes with the territory
23:04:00 <TrueBrain> can't remember the last time I have seen Ada ... like really .. can't remember
23:04:01 <frosch123> i was at a pl-1 job interview, just for lolz
23:04:05 <LordAro> it's not that bad really
23:04:11 <LordAro> has nice concurrency stuff
23:04:30 <TrueBrain> owh, right, Pascal-look-alike
23:04:41 <LordAro> Pascal-with-concurrency-bolted-on
23:04:46 <frosch123> python is also pascal-look-alike
23:04:49 <TrueBrain> it is such a better language
23:05:22 <TrueBrain> if it is, not for the things I appreciate about Pascal :P
23:06:15 <LordAro> at least we get to use "modern" Ada at work, and aren't stuck with something from the 80s like some of our clients
23:06:34 <frosch123> ok, the biggest failure of c (* being on the left), does not translate to python
23:10:12 <frosch123> in my youth there were a lof of myths about c being better than pascal. later i found a list on wikipedia listing the perceived advantages of c over pascal in the early days, and would be considered bad-practice today
23:11:15 <TrueBrain> frosch123: pushed updates, Scenarios are now in the same folder
23:11:30 <frosch123> stuff like "zero terminates string are better than storing length" and "support for variadic functions"
23:11:55 <TrueBrain> its funny how these things go ;)
23:12:21 <frosch123> pulled updated, will check more tomorrow :)
23:12:38 <TrueBrain> but for "savegames-only" I can remove "compatability", right?
23:12:40 <TrueBrain> as it has no meaning there
23:13:07 <TrueBrain> scenarios with savegame-only also have no meaning btw, but .. it looks pretty or what-ever
23:14:51 <frosch123> never delete data that does not hurt :)
23:16:10 <TrueBrain> k, removed "compatability" when "savegames-only" is set
23:16:13 <TrueBrain> saves a lot of bytes
23:16:54 <LordAro> frosch123: i only recently learned that there actually is a difference between void foo(); and void foo(void);
23:17:03 <LordAro> i thought the latter was just some old C style thing
23:17:16 <frosch123> LordAro: the former is the gateway to hell in c
23:17:17 <TrueBrain> how often I made patches to fix that .. you really don't want to know :)
23:17:26 <TrueBrain> GCC warns for it these days
23:18:00 <frosch123> LordAro: did you learn about void foo(a, b) int a,b; { ... }
23:18:26 <LordAro> i only learned when i had to make a bit of our code as "compatible as possible" (C89+)
23:18:46 <TrueBrain> best C line: #define true ((__LINE__&15)!=15)
23:19:29 <frosch123> LordAro: i had most fun with missing prototype when my old company ported from 32bit to 64bit. previously pointers and integers were 4 byte, afterwards pointers were 64bit
23:19:45 <frosch123> suddenly the warning "missing prototype" resulted in crashes
23:19:58 <LordAro> seen that several times
23:20:04 <frosch123> while engineers were too lazy to add #include, since they are just warnings
23:20:32 <LordAro> luckily, the C bits of our code is all guarded with -Werror :)
23:20:40 <LordAro> and i absolutely will not budge on that
23:20:56 <LordAro> our Ada is less nice, but it's slowly getting better...
23:20:56 <TrueBrain> -Wall -W... -W... -f... -f... -W...
23:21:02 <TrueBrain> there are just too many things to set in GCC :P
23:21:10 <frosch123> TrueBrain: even worse, there was a case of "#define if (a) if (0 | a)"
23:21:13 <dwfreed> -Wall -Wextra -Werror
23:21:41 <frosch123> someone found a trick to make if (a = b) not compile, but later compilers warned about the weirdness, and people stated 2 days at the ifs
23:21:48 <TrueBrain> okay ... so I think this part of BaNaNaS rewrite is done .. I guess tomorrow I focus on an API to change/edit/upload stuff
23:21:56 <TrueBrain> still not looking forward to that, as ... Javascript ....
23:22:39 <frosch123> TrueBrain: do you know flexx?
23:23:12 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: Right at this minute, I'm compiling my C code to JS
23:23:19 <frosch123> python gui framework that jit-transpiles to javascript or something
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23:23:20 <FLHerne> emscripten is amazing
23:23:30 <TrueBrain> frosch123: do we want that for OpenTTD? :)
23:23:30 <LordAro> FLHerne: sounds awful
23:23:58 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i never used it, because it was not packaed on redhat 6 :p
23:24:01 <FLHerne> More fun, because it's C code using GL ES 2.0, which is converted to WebGL
23:24:07 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I once write "microthreads" in C ... I will spare you the code snippets :P (but it worked!)
23:24:17 <FLHerne> Very cool, until it stops working, and then aaargh
23:24:38 <frosch123> FLHerne: why not webassmebly?
23:25:11 <TrueBrain> I completely missed the boat on shit like react etc etc .. so how am I going to do this as easy as possible ..
23:25:57 <TrueBrain> I want something simple, like: a list of versions on the left, settings on the right which you have to fill in, and an upload form for a new version
23:25:58 <LordAro> i think jsx is the in-thing nowadays?
23:26:10 <TrueBrain> that should be something really trivial to make, not?
23:26:11 <frosch123> LordAro: was your friend involved with boost coroutine?
23:26:13 <FLHerne> frosch123: Because some nutter is using Firefox 38
23:26:14 <TrueBrain> maybe just plain javascript ...
23:26:32 <LordAro> frosch123: i think they were just trying to make exceptions in C
23:26:45 <FLHerne> I don't know /why/ anyone would insist on a three-year-old version of an open-source browser
23:26:53 <FLHerne> But they won't change it
23:27:21 <TrueBrain> well, guess I first start with the API, and we will go from there or what-ever :P
23:27:58 <frosch123> i like the "make it work with curl fist" approach
23:28:18 <TrueBrain> but you might miss things you need for frontend :P
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23:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what comes after microthreads? nanothreads?
23:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> gobigorgohomethreads?
23:44:16 <Samu> tomorrow i'll try writing some GS to test 7912
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