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02:52:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants opened pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de
03:14:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4d0
03:23:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4dr
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04:18:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4FB
04:18:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de
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04:26:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de
04:32:25 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4Fy
04:39:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de
04:39:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4bL
05:11:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4bA
05:58:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4Nx
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09:24:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hu
09:26:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hw
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09:28:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hK
09:42:20 * LordAro wonders when glx sleeps
09:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sleep is overrated
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11:52:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/JeBvj
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11:53:03 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/Je4PG
11:53:55 <peter1138> What about pushing push notification notifications?
11:54:08 <andythenorth> I want to be notified if a notification isn't pushed
11:58:26 <peter1138> I need a lunch notification.
11:58:35 <andythenorth> I had cheese on toast
11:58:38 <andythenorth> or cheese toastie
11:58:44 <andythenorth> I can't remember the approved lexicon
11:58:54 <andythenorth> we should teach DorpsGek about lunch
11:58:59 <andythenorth> DorpsGek: is it lunch?
11:59:03 <peter1138> Cheese toastie would be cheese *in* toast.
11:59:23 <andythenorth> I can't keep up with everyone's differing cultural views on cheese foods
11:59:24 <peter1138> But that sounds a bit early for lunch.
11:59:36 <peter1138> You're British, should be simple.
12:00:07 <peter1138> I thought "toastie" is a fairly clear definition, to be honest.
12:00:09 <andythenorth> do the Welsh call cheese on toast Welsh Rarebit?
12:00:16 <andythenorth> could ask the wife
12:01:43 <peter1138> Welsh Rarebit is supposed to be a melted cheese sauce, on toast, rather than grilling cheese, on toast.
12:19:36 <andythenorth> does it include Worcester sauce?
12:25:28 <Sacro> That would be heading into melt territory
12:26:02 <andythenorth> so does anything use liballegro?
12:26:23 <peter1138> You can possibly enable it on Linux but there's no reason to.
12:26:30 <peter1138> Urgh, these grapes are a bit sharp!
12:27:17 <LordAro> could probably strip it out
12:27:33 <LordAro> peter1138: do they have knives in them?
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17:17:54 <arikover> andythenorth: #SDL On Linux, the ./configure script requires SDL2 now. I guess that means SDL 1.2 is deprecated (for Linux) now...
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17:42:34 <LordAro> arikover: you can specify --with-sdl=sdl1
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17:43:03 <andythenorth> does that need included in the deps list, or too detailed?
17:44:20 <LordAro> might as well remove it
17:45:30 <andythenorth> if I push current state, do all the previous review comments get removed?
17:45:58 <LordAro> (if github determines they are now "outdated")
17:46:10 <LordAro> if you're really lucky, it might invalidate my review
17:48:13 <andythenorth> "Since Visual Studio 2013, ATL code in Visual C++ 2013 is static, eliminating the DLL" I think this can probably go. Though would want someone who actually knows VS to comment on it
17:48:49 <andythenorth> and can we delegate the detailed instructions for Windows deps to the wiki?
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17:52:56 <LordAro> andythenorth: given someone has apparently wiped out the wiki page as "out of date", i'd be cautious doing that
17:53:04 <LordAro> (i think it was you :p)
17:54:34 <planetmaker> wiping out is bad. Adding a out-of-date template is the recommended thing
17:56:18 <arikover> LordAro: Oh. Didn't know that.
17:56:46 <arikover> LordAro: Well SDL2 seems a bit quicker anyway (when fast-forwarding) (maybe wishful thinking)
17:57:03 <LordAro> i didn't notice anything when testing
18:00:50 <andythenorth> I used the outdate template, unless I know the page is junk
18:05:19 <andythenorth> I think we should either (1) move the windows deps instructions to wiki or (2) provide full compile instructions for every platform
18:05:24 <andythenorth> currently it's 2-track approach
18:05:44 <andythenorth> providing full compile instructions really starts to blur the scope of this PR :)
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19:11:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
19:12:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
19:16:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
19:18:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
19:21:38 <andythenorth> LordAro: think I changed everything except 'OpenTTD needs the Platform SDK, if it isn't installed already. This can be...'
19:21:44 <andythenorth> which we don't know if we need
19:21:59 <andythenorth> and $somebody should write a wiki page for Windows compiling
19:22:12 <andythenorth> or alternately make the repo docs canonical for compiling :)
19:22:46 <planetmaker> repo docs should be for compiling... after all: who compiles has source
19:22:53 <planetmaker> and can thus make PRs
19:24:25 <andythenorth> but can those who figure out compiler problems rely on us to make docs commits? o_O
19:24:29 <andythenorth> compared to editing wiki?
19:25:01 <andythenorth> updates to the mac compile page have been vital, and I'm not sure they would have got committed here for days, weeks or even months
19:25:25 * andythenorth is not a big wiki fan, but sometimes they are useful
19:26:21 <glx> wiki can help with some details, but I think COMPILING.md should be enough to get the info
19:26:38 <glx> and wiki are often outdated ;)
19:29:42 <glx> for windows having the MSVC step-by-step in COMPILING.md is enough with other working options, like MSYS2, just linked to the wiki
19:30:31 <andythenorth> glx: any changes needed in that doc above? ^^
19:30:47 <andythenorth> if we want to add more compile instructions, I would rather a separate PR
19:30:57 <andythenorth> I only did this so I could improve main README :P
19:32:16 <glx> yeah for now merging/splitting current files is enough
19:32:30 <glx> if someone wants to improve it can be done later
19:54:32 <LordAro> andythenorth: i'd like someone who knows about MSVC to say something about the SDK stuff
19:54:36 <LordAro> other than that, fine
19:56:01 <glx> the SDK stuff seems ok to me
20:08:32 <andythenorth> that'll do then :)
20:17:38 <andythenorth> actually I'll just delete it
20:21:29 <andythenorth> no that doesn't work either, I can't create files in the website repo
20:21:40 <andythenorth> GH suggests I can, but then I don't have rights after filling out all the form fields
20:21:49 <andythenorth> this is like the most lolz form of blogging ever
20:52:36 <andythenorth> works fine, but it's not how the blog posts should be done
20:53:02 <andythenorth> actually, no, it doesn't work
20:53:40 <andythenorth> the commit button remains disabled
20:54:15 <glx> I just tried adding a space and starting to fill the commit enabled the button
20:55:23 <glx> you can't edit without creating commits on github
20:55:35 <andythenorth> but then I might as well just edit in editor
20:55:41 <andythenorth> and not in a crappy browser UI :)
20:58:05 <glx> on github editor you can preview the changes ;)
20:59:09 <andythenorth> I just preview them locally in the website ;)
20:59:16 <andythenorth> jekyll install innit
20:59:33 <andythenorth> anyway, this blogging stuff is pretty unrewarding, so I'm watching YT
20:59:44 <andythenorth> I stayed up late writing a post, because we don't have any recently
20:59:48 <andythenorth> but it just goes off to die
20:59:57 <andythenorth> with a crapload of edit suggestions
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21:00:26 <andythenorth> we act surprised that nobody wants to promote the project
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21:00:31 <andythenorth> but it's ~impossible
21:00:59 <andythenorth> I rewrote the website to make this crap easier
21:01:10 <andythenorth> but was pretty much a waste of time
21:02:13 <andythenorth> we've fixed github pretty good, and the commits we have this last year are awesome
21:02:59 <andythenorth> but the website is like pulling teeth, and the newgrf tools / coop ecosystem is collapsing
21:03:11 * andythenorth goes back to watching TV shows from 1981
21:04:00 <andythenorth> it's really fucking demotivating taking on sole maintainer tasks in a system that's based on at least two people, one to commit, and one to review / merge
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21:31:30 <LordAro> andythenorth: do you want an internet hug?
21:32:37 <andythenorth> I am watching original Minder and planning to rewrite README
21:33:32 <Wolf01> I'm planning to kill diablo, but I don't know if I'll be able to do it this evening
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22:00:49 <TrueBrain> wassup andythenorth?
22:03:54 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: is there a way we can reduce bullshit from making news posts?
22:04:33 <TrueBrain> owh boy, is it one of these days? Did you take those magic pills like we talked about? :D
22:04:44 <TrueBrain> gathering from the words "reduce bullshit", something triggered you :P
22:04:52 <TrueBrain> guess you need a bit more words to make that clear to me :D
22:05:06 <andythenorth> the actual trigger was World of Tanks Blitz, where I clicked a button to see what it did
22:05:17 <andythenorth> and what it did was take £20 of gold from my account with no warning
22:05:31 <TrueBrain> illegal in my country :)
22:05:31 <andythenorth> which is somewhat like being scammed by Belarussians
22:06:37 <andythenorth> but it's just like a massively over-engineered process to get it live
22:06:53 <andythenorth> at work, I want to do a blog post, I log in to Wordpress, type, press publish
22:07:00 <TrueBrain> you write blog post, someone approves it, you merge it ..
22:07:06 <TrueBrain> what .... are you smoking exactly? :D
22:07:18 <andythenorth> TL;DR async sucks
22:07:32 <andythenorth> there's no reward doing this work, it's just like unpaid work
22:07:49 <andythenorth> write...wait...wait....get review...make changes...await endless consensus
22:07:56 <andythenorth> then finally someone approves and merges
22:07:56 <TrueBrain> ah, you want dictator mode?
22:08:13 <TrueBrain> well, given that feedback you got on that pullrequest, it seems fair that we do it this way, not?
22:08:25 <TrueBrain> looking at the timestamps, you got that review REALLY quick
22:08:40 <TrueBrain> so .. I am not sure what you trying to say? (honestly, you just pushing out random words, I am trying to pick up context :D)
22:08:40 <andythenorth> dunno, we can have 'monthly' blog posts that are perfect and consesus approved
22:08:45 <andythenorth> the last one was what...July?
22:08:53 <andythenorth> or we can have less good, and it got done
22:08:58 <TrueBrain> and was that really because of the process, or because of the people?
22:09:10 <TrueBrain> seems you trying to fix something in the wrong place?
22:09:26 <andythenorth> I am probably the wrong person to try tbh
22:09:39 <andythenorth> and I don't have this problem, I just write, publish
22:09:51 <andythenorth> or I just make website, put it through QA, push git tag
22:09:55 <TrueBrain> you publish external information without review?
22:10:00 <TrueBrain> sounds you need to fix your day-job process :D
22:10:14 <TrueBrain> please, tell me at least someone else looks at your work before it hits public?
22:10:17 <andythenorth> like I said, I am the wrong person
22:10:28 <andythenorth> I am playing with my own skin in the game
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22:11:00 <TrueBrain> anyway, still not fully sure what ticked you off in this process
22:11:11 <TrueBrain> I think it is at easy-going as it can be, given what we have
22:11:23 <TrueBrain> what would you like to see different?
22:11:39 <andythenorth> we could have collaborative editing?
22:11:48 <andythenorth> instead of this bizarre double handling review process
22:12:02 <glx> anyone can push changes to PR
22:12:05 <andythenorth> I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR
22:12:12 <TrueBrain> you are very in-cohesive to me, sorry :(
22:12:14 <andythenorth> then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review
22:12:16 <TrueBrain> you have to do what?
22:12:25 <glx> unless you unticked the box
22:12:39 <TrueBrain> okay, so much to unwrap here .. we go from 0 to 100
22:12:42 <andythenorth> then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push
22:12:45 <andythenorth> await more review
22:12:48 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR <- no, wrong
22:12:59 <TrueBrain> you make a branch in the website repo, and you all make your changes in there
22:13:06 <TrueBrain> if you don't have those permissions, you can ask
22:13:15 <TrueBrain> (instead of this vague me-hunting-down-what-ticked-you-off)
22:13:24 <andythenorth> I have a 'make new file' button
22:13:27 <andythenorth> and I get a form
22:13:29 <andythenorth> and I fill in all fields
22:13:32 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review <- yes; that is called collaboration. That is what you were looking for, not?
22:13:33 <andythenorth> but the button does not go green
22:13:41 <TrueBrain> so .. ask me about that problem
22:13:43 <TrueBrain> that is something I can help with
22:13:49 <TrueBrain> instead of this now lengthy conversation :)
22:14:15 <glx> you tried to make new file in a branch or master ?
22:14:18 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push <- no, those changes are made in the branch by who-ever has issues with it. We have done this for the last few monthly dev-posts .. I assumed that would make it clear how you should use it
22:14:21 <TrueBrain> not sure where that went wrong ..
22:14:31 <andythenorth> I tried to make a file, I must be missing a button somewhere
22:14:36 <TrueBrain> I am a bit baffled tbh ..
22:14:39 <TrueBrain> we did, what, 4 monthly dev-posts
22:14:49 <TrueBrain> and all of a sudden the world is burning?
22:14:49 <andythenorth> 'Commit new file' is disabled
22:15:08 <TrueBrain> so please, don't over-react :D It doesn't make my work easier ;)
22:15:18 <TrueBrain> so, to boil down the whole story: you don't have permissions to create a branch
22:15:50 <TrueBrain> you have the same access as I do
22:15:53 <TrueBrain> so something else is amiss
22:16:07 <andythenorth> it will be user error
22:16:10 <glx> hmm I just tried, and the button goes green for me in both master and new branch
22:16:16 <andythenorth> there is some field I am not seeing
22:16:43 <TrueBrain> we reuse the branch "monthly-dev-post" for ... the montly dev post
22:16:46 <TrueBrain> but this is fully optional
22:16:58 <TrueBrain> (to reuse, first remove the old, then create the new)
22:17:12 <andythenorth> ok so instructions are: edit in github, using branch monthly-dev-post?
22:17:16 <TrueBrain> (hopefully the trash-can is obvious ;))
22:17:19 <andythenorth> I will try tomorrow with new eyes
22:17:37 <TrueBrain> yes; otherwise ask help
22:17:42 <glx> but I'm an admin, I think for non admin with merge rights creating file in a new branch is possible, but not creating file in master
22:17:43 <TrueBrain> several people in here already went through this process ;)
22:17:54 <TrueBrain> glx: you are one of the few that can edit in master, yes
22:18:04 <glx> there are radio buttons in the bottom of the form
22:28:54 <TrueBrain> pfft, they shouldn't give you choices!
22:35:59 <TrueBrain> okay, so the main question is why Azure didn't got back to me ... I wrote them a nice email, I would expect a reply by now .. even if it was to say: FU, not happening
22:36:21 <andythenorth> gold standard service :P
22:37:04 <TrueBrain> nah; just if they do any form of discounts for Open Source projects
22:37:26 <TrueBrain> they do for non-profits, but .. we don't have a legal entity ;)
22:38:06 <andythenorth> is there a 'follows #nnnn' concept in Github PRs?
22:38:14 <andythenorth> or do we have to that in notes?
22:38:38 <andythenorth> a PR that depends on a prior PR
22:38:50 <TrueBrain> ah; that doesn't exist, basically
22:38:58 * andythenorth trying to figure out how not to make a mess in a diff
22:38:58 <TrueBrain> either that is in the same PR, or they are not overlapping
22:39:27 <TrueBrain> comes from the idea: either you are finished or you are not
22:39:34 <glx> you can keep the branch in your repo for now, the file is editable there anyway ;)
22:39:35 <TrueBrain> I don't always agree with the choices; but at least they are choices :D
22:40:38 <andythenorth> the cleanest is to not make a PR until the prior PR is merged, which I think is what glx is suggesting
22:43:51 <glx> but you can still work on the next part from a branch of the PR, so once it's merged you just rebase your working branch
22:45:18 <andythenorth> FWIW TrueBrain, sometime this year you wrote "some more serious thought, what would really help for OpenTTD, I think, is if the README.md in the root folder was meant for people visiting GitHub"
22:45:25 <andythenorth> which is what I'm working on, hurrah
22:46:11 <TrueBrain> in the meantime I am pretty much stuck with DigitalOcean, and I have to build much myself ..
22:46:17 <TrueBrain> but Azure is twice as expensive ..
22:46:20 <TrueBrain> which ticks me off :P
22:46:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
22:47:11 <andythenorth> we don't have the funds? :|
22:47:18 <andythenorth> or you just like to win? :)
22:48:01 <TrueBrain> no, when starting this migration to a more managed platform, I had the goal to not spend more than twice we do now
22:48:10 <TrueBrain> which mister o said was well within what we had to spend
22:48:21 <TrueBrain> going double on that, I would have to check in again
22:48:39 <TrueBrain> but it also becomes this number that just sounds too big .. but possibly I should just ignore that annoying feeling
22:48:54 <TrueBrain> either way, I at least always like to ask; even if the answer is: no, we don't give discounts, that is fine
22:49:01 <TrueBrain> just the getting no reply is .. annoying
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22:50:19 <glx> the most annoying part with DO is the absence of ipv6 support
22:50:30 <TrueBrain> no IPv6 and UDP on their LB
22:50:44 <TrueBrain> the constant 404s on their CDN for reasons I still don't get
22:50:58 <TrueBrain> managed database that starts at 15 dollar a month
22:51:07 <TrueBrain> it is perfect for the small stuff
22:51:22 <TrueBrain> it becomes a bit problematic if you start to want more :)
22:51:28 <TrueBrain> which is totally fine, and I fully get it
22:52:05 <andythenorth> #1 improvement: it doesn't tell you where to just download OpenTTD and start playin it
22:52:15 <TrueBrain> main issue I have, it is too long
22:52:24 <TrueBrain> lot of stuff nobody really cares about
22:52:24 <andythenorth> compiling info is split out
22:52:32 <andythenorth> other stuff could be split out
22:52:48 <andythenorth> at some point I wonder about distinction between github .md docs, and website info
22:52:54 <andythenorth> there is some blurred lines
22:53:05 <TrueBrain> like 5.1 and 5.2 .. nice and all .. but really in a README?
22:53:28 <TrueBrain> 7.2 ... like anyone still doing that?
22:53:56 <glx> 7.2 has nothing to do in the readme I think
22:54:20 <andythenorth> do we want DEBUGGING.md ?
22:54:38 <glx> translation stuff should probably go in CONTRIBUTING.MD
22:55:07 <andythenorth> don't we translate with eints?
22:55:42 <andythenorth> So, now that you have notified the development team about your intention to
22:55:43 <andythenorth> translate (You did, right? Of course you did.) you can pick up english.txt
22:55:44 <andythenorth> (found in the Git repository under /src/lang) and translate.
22:55:55 <glx> but translating is contributing
22:55:59 <TrueBrain> for me, it is not as much as slimming down README.md, but more about making one that fits with GH
22:56:37 <andythenorth> I am going to look at a few others
22:56:55 <glx> the stuff in the readme really looks like creating a brand new translation
22:57:20 <glx> and readme is not really the place for that :)
22:57:35 <TrueBrain> the README used to be for another public/goal
22:59:04 <glx> some stuff in the readme just needs to move away from the readme, but kept in docs
22:59:31 <andythenorth> Get Started, Community, Contribute, License, Credits??
23:00:05 <andythenorth> hmm needs Supported Platforms
23:01:17 <glx> supported platforms can stay in readme
23:01:34 <glx> same for installing and running
23:03:19 <glx> and we could probably generate a config.md from settingsgen to document the config file
23:03:42 <andythenorth> oh that would be nice
23:03:53 <andythenorth> how much of this should be in website?
23:03:57 <andythenorth> or delegated to wiki?
23:04:08 <andythenorth> README.md should mostly be links / signposts?
23:05:36 <glx> readme should at least give the info on how to run openttd
23:07:59 <glx> bug report procedure can stay too, but maybe move advanced debug (desyncs) outside of it
23:09:20 <glx> and for me supported platforms could be included in the about section
23:10:50 <andythenorth> Windows Allegro is now dead, if I understood correctly?
23:11:03 <andythenorth> FreeBSD and OpenBSD justify separate entries?
23:11:09 <glx> I think it was never really tested
23:11:27 <glx> for SDL I need to test but it's probably broken too
23:12:06 <andythenorth> Linux Allegro valid?
23:12:33 <glx> as it was not a full SDL app, but a win32 app with soft loading of SDL.dll
23:14:31 <frosch123> linux allegro worked last time i tried (2 years ago)
23:15:20 <frosch123> also i need to clean my mouse
23:15:31 <frosch123> every now and then clicking left also does click right
23:15:56 <glx> ah mine does double or triple clicks on the 3 buttons
23:16:44 <frosch123> well, your fault sounds intuitive
23:17:00 <frosch123> but i see no mechanical coupling between left and right
23:17:11 <frosch123> first i though it was a software bug :p
23:17:16 <andythenorth> is the flex pinched?
23:17:36 <andythenorth> most of my typing erros are because Apple keys are too close together :P
23:17:40 <glx> so probably dying microswitches
23:17:50 <frosch123> no, i tested it with xev
23:18:09 <frosch123> contant clicking and then suddenly the wrong key intermixed :p
23:18:43 <andythenorth> ignore the heading order in the file
23:21:22 <glx> "quickly" trying building with sdl (mingw build)
23:21:45 <glx> because doing it in VS is not as easy
23:22:13 <glx> requires changes in the project file
23:23:30 <andythenorth> DEBUGGING_DESYNCS.md ? :P
23:24:04 <andythenorth> docs/debugging_desyncs.md?
23:24:11 <andythenorth> root of repo is getting cloudy
23:24:29 <glx> root should have basic md
23:24:46 <glx> README, COMPILING, CONTRIBUTING
23:26:43 <glx> should be if it's just a copy paste :)
23:28:56 <glx> hmm building with sdl seems to work
23:30:09 <glx> win32: Win32 GDI Video Driver
23:30:09 <glx> dedicated: Dedicated Video Driver
23:30:26 <glx> let's try to use them now :)
23:35:44 <glx> ok sdl works, but dmusic fails with sdl driver is used
23:37:39 <glx> default driver is win32 anyway
23:40:30 <andythenorth> the wiki is official-but-not-quite?
23:40:36 <nielsm> oh turns out _that_s why this channel was so silent today
23:40:40 <nielsm> my client hadn't joined for some reason
23:40:54 <glx> ahah dmusic fails when sdl is used as video or sound driver
23:43:09 <glx> nielsm: happens to me when for some reason IPv6 is down on my side
23:43:38 <nielsm> IPv6 has never been up here so that's not a cause
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