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14:26:06  <andersd> Hi all, is there a way to store dialogs (or windows?) across openttd launches? I like to have a handful of pinned dialogs always visible, and it would be nice not to have to reopen and reposition for each openttd restart.

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14:41:30  <planetmaker> I don't think so

14:43:30  <andersd> ok, thanks!

14:43:40  <peter1139> Might make a nice PR ;-)

14:43:55  <andersd> might make for a nice dive into the sources :)

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14:54:02  <andythenorth_> Hmm

14:54:27  <andythenorth_> Realism is not fun gameplay

14:54:45  * andythenorth_ back to thinking :p

14:56:15  <Eddi|zuHause> if you want to save it outside the savegame (like in openttd.cfg) you might have to restrict it to some general windows (like no specific vehicles)

14:56:57  <Eddi|zuHause> and if you want to put it into the savegame, you have to restrict it to not happen in multiplayer

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15:01:27  <peter1139> Has he eaten since the last time I asked if it was lunchtime?

15:05:43  * Sacro is hungry

15:08:43  <planetmaker> the restrictions of course can be dropped on where to put the window placement info, if you can live with the fact that non-matching / possible ones are silently ignored (e.g. for vehicles not accessible etc)

15:15:12  <andersd> Eddi|zuHause, planetmaker: Thanks for your thoughts, out of the gate it seems to be most suited for openttd.cfg

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15:26:11  <andythenorth_> peter1139 I have been forced to decide about lunch for myself

15:26:21  <peter1139> Shocking.

15:26:26  <andythenorth_> No help from internet friends

15:26:33  <peter1139> But just macaroni cheese, eh?

15:26:39  <andythenorth_> Due to connectivity

15:26:45  <Eddi|zuHause> damn these internet "friends"

15:27:08  <andythenorth_> Mac & cheese is not available here :p

15:27:55  * andythenorth_ currently skipping lunch, this may need to change

15:29:30  <andythenorth_> also newgrf trains

15:31:11  <andythenorth_> how else can I differentiate engines besides power and speed?

15:31:37  <andythenorth_> Run cost is boring

15:31:45  <Eddi|zuHause> racing stripes

15:31:46  <andythenorth_> Reliability?

15:31:54  <arikover> andythenorth_: Look

15:32:06  <Eddi|zuHause> the red one is faster

15:32:13  <arikover> andythenorth_: Always!

15:32:17  <andythenorth_> How about model life?? o_O

15:32:35  <Eddi|zuHause> model life is when you want more generations

15:32:44  <andythenorth_> train wears out in 10, 20, or 40 years?

15:32:48  <arikover> andythenorth_: Reliability maybe?

15:33:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you can set reliability that way

15:34:09  <Eddi|zuHause> but what do you need more than power and speed?

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15:35:05  <Eddi|zuHause> you could do cost, but cost is meaningless most of the time, i think

15:35:21  <andythenorth_> Speed will most likely work

15:35:56  <andythenorth_> But it might lead to some odd choices about which cargos can go faster

15:36:58  <andythenorth_> for example, is steel a high speed cargo?

15:37:01  <arikover> You could make the trains fast, but not too powerful so that they only reach top speed on really long distances. Then it's worth coupling more depending on track declivity.

15:37:24  <arikover> Yeah, a bit like NARS2

15:37:41  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: cargo specific speeds can be done by wagon speed limits?

15:38:32  <andythenorth_> yes

15:39:13  <andythenorth_> I need a heuristic for what’s “fast-but-not-fastest”

15:39:39  <andythenorth_> Fastest is easy: food, mail, alcohol, milk, supplies

15:40:48  <Eddi|zuHause> fast is anything that is light or decaying

15:41:09  <Eddi|zuHause> steel is neither of those

15:42:09  <andythenorth_> define light?

15:42:15  <andythenorth_> Low density?

15:42:23  <andythenorth_> High value to weight ratio?

15:42:32  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that

15:43:09  <andythenorth_> high value items

15:43:18  <andythenorth_> Might be the best heuristic

15:43:53  <andythenorth_> So anything with high payment rate? And/or steep decay curve

15:44:53  <andythenorth_> IRL this is not how US railroads operate :p

15:45:12  <andythenorth_> Everything except intermodal containers is just slow

15:45:15  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, those cargos don't go by rail

15:45:22  <Eddi|zuHause> they'd go by plane

15:45:44  <andythenorth_> And intermodal, they take anything that goes in a standard ISO box

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15:46:50  <andythenorth_> Hence realism is again a poor gameplay template :p

15:49:26  * andythenorth_ considers allowing any cargo

15:49:55  <andythenorth_> My intent was to reduce wagon capacity on “faster” wagons

15:49:59  <Eddi|zuHause> denying cargos is bad gameplay

15:50:29  <andythenorth_> So longer trains would be needed, taking more network space

15:51:08  <andythenorth_> So the choice would be shorter and slower, or longer and faster

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18:29:25  <LordAro> hmm, DorpsGek_II dead again

18:29:44  <LordAro> latest crash report's stack trace doesn't seem to make much sense

18:30:09  <LordAro> (#7706)

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23:13:53  <andythenorth_> Hmm

23:14:21  * andythenorth_ deletes more realism :|

23:16:27  <andythenorth_> US railroads tend to use the least power possible (hp / ton)

23:17:02  <andythenorth_> Just enough to prevent the train stalling on steepest slope en route

23:17:16  <andythenorth_> This is very boring in a game :p

23:18:06  <andythenorth_> Brit freight trains are more interesting, they have to go fast to avoid blocking pax trains (or having to pay more track access charges)

23:18:30  <andythenorth_> Better for game purposes :p

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