IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-08-17
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02:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm not 100% sure how these nodes work... i still got areas not covered by the model :/
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03:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... turns out the pavement must be at a very specific position
03:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that kinda disturbs my plan...
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09:48:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro requested changes for pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fjd77
09:55:45 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7685: Codechange: math functions - use cpp-style casts https://git.io/fjd7d
10:16:20 <Samu> AdmiralAI does some really weird thing when loaded
10:17:02 <Samu> it makes profits decline abruptly
10:17:12 <Samu> to then come up stronger
10:17:39 <Samu> it I didn't load a savegame, his profits wouldn't change
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10:18:22 <Samu> whatever it does after loading seems to pay off, it should do it more regularly on normal play
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10:29:54 <Samu> perhaps AIAI, but when i look at his log... many warnings about vehicles models not existing
10:30:56 <Samu> AdmiralAI for finishing with the highest profit
10:31:30 <Samu> but it bankrupted and only reached this position through several savegame loads
10:34:05 <Samu> AroAI only accumulated wealth
10:34:29 <Samu> all engines are old models past max age and bankrupt all the time
10:34:56 <Samu> it also bankrupts many many times in the first years
10:35:25 <Samu> ooops, engines don't bankrupt, they breakdown
10:35:53 <Samu> SynTrans crashes ever other load
10:36:09 <Samu> most of that time it was accumulating money
10:37:01 <Samu> convoy had the best early game
10:37:26 <Samu> until the point vehicles got past max age
10:37:36 <Samu> to the point of bankrupting :(
10:38:12 <Samu> railwai was also a serious contender early game
10:39:33 <Samu> but his routes are very short, and newer model replacements did make his profits unable to keep up with other AIs due to max number of road vehs
10:42:35 <Samu> my AI had a decent start albeit a decaying one, until the faster models came available, where it finally impoved enough to reach first in profits for the last years
10:44:00 <Samu> AIAI, on the other hand, had a troubled start, managed to survive and even reach first in profits for a decade, mid game
10:44:46 <Samu> but the log shows some bugs, i see some old models breakdowning, failing to be replaced, I'm sure it could do better without these problems
10:48:43 <Samu> actually AdmiralAI didn't finish first in profits, mine did :p 2051 just reached
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11:31:21 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet opened pull request #7698: Codechange: Reduced indentation in SaveLoadWindow::OnClick https://git.io/fjddc
11:39:40 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7698: Codechange: Reduced indentation in SaveLoadWindow::OnClick https://git.io/fjddM
11:39:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #7698: Codechange: Reduced indentation in SaveLoadWindow::OnClick https://git.io/fjddc
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11:48:05 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet opened pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/fjddy
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12:54:30 <Wolf01> Maybe you meant "How to ruin the scorpions"
12:57:52 <Samu> I didn't know at first it was a cover
13:00:08 <Samu> it's Kristy Thirsk all over it
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15:03:24 * andythenorth baffled by town cargos
15:03:36 <andythenorth> not sure how to do the right thing
15:03:56 <andythenorth> e.g. I want to split 'food' up to 'meat', 'flour', 'sugar' etc
15:04:03 <andythenorth> but which ones grow town?
15:05:31 <Wolf01> Do it and merge them again to food with a new industry
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15:16:35 <Samu> andythenorth: can you check if NewGRFs have access to CmdTownCargoGoal
15:17:54 <Samu> must check newgrf specs stuff
15:25:04 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can give multiple cargos the same town effect
15:25:22 <frosch123> then towns grow even if they only have sugar
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15:32:17 <Samu> town_growth_multiplier alone is insufficient
15:32:24 <andythenorth> frosch123: any idea what the town window will show in that case? o_O
15:32:29 <andythenorth> in Tropic for example
15:32:55 <Samu> it shows firstcargo found
15:32:57 <Samu> const CargoSpec *cargo = FindFirstCargoWithTownEffect(te);
15:34:33 <Samu> have first cargo be food with the effect
15:35:16 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
15:35:25 <nielsm> spend a cargotype that will never be accepted or produced just to give a name to "food products"
15:35:38 <nielsm> (if you can force it to be the first somehow)
15:35:52 <frosch123> i think it only shows the first cargo
15:36:13 <frosch123> but there is probably a TODO somewhere to show all
15:36:31 <Samu> yes, but you can deliver the other cargoes that have the same effect
15:36:56 <nielsm> nobody is challenging that
15:37:26 <andythenorth> Samu: this is a known area of 'unfinished'
15:37:49 <Samu> newgrfs need something like t->goal[te] equivalent
15:37:53 * andythenorth has two choices at this point
15:38:04 <andythenorth> I am designing a FIRS economy
15:38:24 <andythenorth> either (a) I design around the constraints of town cargos
15:38:37 <andythenorth> or (b) I design it known 'broken', then hope someone fixes it
15:38:44 <andythenorth> both (a) and (b) have worked well in the past
15:39:21 <andythenorth> TL;DR I would like more robust town growth influence for industry newgrfs
15:39:43 <andythenorth> I know it can conflict with GS, this is a thing
15:41:40 <Samu> there's no NewGRF category for towns?
15:41:59 <andythenorth> there's a residual element of newgrf spec for towns
15:42:01 <andythenorth> there are some registers
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15:55:18 <Samu> it can only register acceptance of 2 town effects
15:57:22 <Samu> let me test something with a GameScript, brb
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18:35:17 <Samu> hmm GS's can't control this in real time
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18:43:10 <Samu> where do I find stuff that varies snow line height?
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19:33:36 <Samu> snow grows in august? that's weird
19:41:32 <Samu> january should be february, july should be august
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19:42:10 <Samu> january perhaps should be march
19:48:49 <andythenorth> one day I figure out town cargos :P
19:48:54 <andythenorth> give them some purpose :P
19:49:05 <andythenorth> currently they're a bit half-assed
20:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> but which ones grow town? <-- why, you can have all of them count as TE_FOOD?
20:18:51 <andythenorth> how does player know? :)
20:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause> by reading the readme? ... BFFFFHAHAHA!!!
20:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the lack of correct display shouldn't be a reason to stop this feature. (not saying it would be a good feature, either way)
20:22:00 <andythenorth> see point (b) far above
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22:00:10 <Samu> for the most part it's displaying town is not growing
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22:12:03 <Samu> if (t->fund_buildings_months == 0 && CountActiveStations(t) == 0 && !Chance16(1, 12)) return;
22:12:55 <Samu> that chance16 is ruining the growing/not growing
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22:42:58 <LordAro> seems pretty useless, but couldn't hurt, i guess
22:55:34 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7104: Fix #5405: Aircraft could route to depots outside their range https://git.io/fjFtK
23:00:34 * LordAro am become andy, destroyer of PRs
23:02:30 <frosch123> andy -> stalebot -> aroai
23:02:49 <LordAro> frosch123: feel free to review things yourself :p
23:03:03 <frosch123> i just got a mail from you
23:03:23 <frosch123> if i don't participate, i don't get mails :)
23:03:31 <frosch123> but i get them if you dig up old things :p
23:05:28 <LordAro> think GH webhooks are being bad tonight
23:09:10 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7608: Codechange: Performance improvement in k-d tree FindNearest() https://git.io/fjFt7
23:12:39 <nielsm> not right now though :)
23:23:47 <Samu> wish i had visual studio here
23:25:53 <Samu> somebody experiment this
23:26:42 <LordAro> that's a big difference
23:26:46 <Samu> and then, remove something somewhere ...
23:27:41 <Samu> see what happens to towns
23:31:44 <Samu> probably not gonna work the way I think :(
23:33:03 <glx> wow indeed communication between GH and DorpsGek_II doesn't work as it used to do
23:35:00 <LordAro> githubstatus naturally reports everything as fine
23:35:58 <glx> maybe it's just DorpsGek_II as it didn't report the comment in #7608 in .notice
23:37:12 <LordAro> would need a TB to look at the bot logs
23:37:22 <LordAro> highlight him in the morning :p
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