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00:04:38  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Berbe opened pull request #7680: Fix #7679: Check version when comparing scripts https://git.io/fjHIy

00:04:49  <Beerbelott> LordAro: :)

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08:34:36  <andythenorth> o/

08:44:16  * andythenorth experimenting with Instruments https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/PerformanceOverview/PerformanceTools/PerformanceTools.html

08:44:25  <andythenorth> not sure what I'm  doing, but I have a lot of charts :P

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08:48:36  <Samu> wwow Beerbelott so much text for 5 lines

08:48:41  <Samu> 4

08:50:18  <Beerbelott> Well it's because that's because this small change gets a foot in the door... it needs more changes, whatever is decided

08:51:08  <Beerbelott> and in the past some "obvious" small changes took me a lot of time to explain/format correctly...

08:52:56  <Samu> oh, you're alive, I thought everybody was sleeping

08:53:32  <Beerbelott> Haven't slept yet

08:54:58  <Samu> eh, wiki articles

08:55:02  <Samu> they're usually outdated

08:56:23  <andythenorth> :x

08:56:52  <andythenorth> when I want to run a profiler, I can't get OpenTTD to dump frame rate to 16fps

08:57:08  <andythenorth> but if it's not being profiled, it will do it trivially :P

08:57:24  <andythenorth> there's a lesson in that somewhere :P

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09:05:18  <Samu> i'm not sure how libraries work, "it just works"

09:07:13  <Samu> i tick the AIs i want to download, and that's it, it auto-selects needed libraries

09:07:22  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7666: Add: [Win32] Select MIDI device by port name https://git.io/fjHYZ

09:08:19  <Samu> their exact version needed are downloaded

09:10:53  <andythenorth> if OpenTTD performance is wildly variable for no obvious reason, and no reproducible trigger

09:11:03  <andythenorth> is the logical conclusion that the problem is my system?

09:14:13  <nielsm> the profiler might affect how certain system timers are handled and that might cause the problem to disappear or change character

09:14:43  <nielsm> (that would match with my suspicion that the issue is not caused by anything actually being slow, but rather by some timers or delays being wrong)

09:15:57  <Samu> high precision event timer?

09:16:17  <andythenorth> the problem isn't reproducible even with the profiler off

09:16:42  <andythenorth> I was going to bisect for performance, as 1.9.1 does  not exhibit the issue to the same extent as master afaict

09:16:51  <andythenorth> but I can't bisect without a repro :P

09:18:18  <andythenorth> this is me https://www.kaplaninternational.com/blog/files/styles/device_phone/public/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/CHASE-RAINBOWS.jpg?itok=uw7Q9AVT

09:20:21  <Samu> x86 versions of Mac OS X.

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09:20:28  <Samu> what did I just read?

09:29:03  <andythenorth> ??

09:29:34  <Beerbelott> Samu: I don't think the WIki is outdated on the matter I quoted. The Squirrel import function seems to work the way it's documented. and the code just ignores script versions anyway

09:29:45  <Beerbelott> Both are a problem, one way or the other

09:30:34  <Beerbelott> My quick & dirty fix makes the current, illogical "upgrade" mechanism almost useless (as I don't think a script w/ same name & version ever changes MD5 signature

09:31:07  <Beerbelott> brb

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09:40:59  <peter1139> I don't know, what did you just read?

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10:14:14  <Samu> libraries don't update the same manner as AIs

10:15:10  <Samu> but I don't know

10:17:35  <Samu> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/ailibrary/

10:17:41  <Samu> nevermind, I don't know at all

10:20:10  <Samu> new version of a library make the previous version to be hidden from content download

10:20:23  <Samu> but that doesn't force an upgrade

10:20:32  <Samu> when downloading AIs

10:24:09  <Samu> looks like I'm confused

10:24:52  <Samu> inside openttd it lists Pathfinder.Road version 3 and 4

10:26:23  <Samu> on the website, it only lists version 4

10:26:35  <Samu> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/ailibrary/

10:37:28  <andythenorth> ha ha smoke

10:37:43  * andythenorth back to YT

10:38:09  <Samu> i found a problem with my AI

10:38:37  <Samu> when reliability of available engines is too low to be considered

10:38:52  <Samu> it shouldn't bother searching for a route

10:39:21  <Samu> or

10:39:44  <Samu> it should pick the most reliable, even though they both suck

10:39:56  <Samu> after all, they're still available...

10:42:10  <Samu> the transition between tricario helicopter and guru x2 helicopter, reliability period of both engines are below 75%

10:42:55  <Samu> there's a small phase my AI becomes dumb, it builds the heliports and then doesn't build the aircraft

10:43:04  <Samu> then demolishes heliports

10:43:04  <Beerbelott> Samu:  If you look at the code, you will see AI & AILibrary are handled the same when compared one to each other

10:43:08  <Samu> and keeps repeatin

10:44:35  <Beerbelott> Well, time for me to have some sleep

10:44:41  <Beerbelott> beuhbye

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10:49:43  <Samu> I need to rewrite the reliability checks

10:52:12  <Samu> maybe I should include it in the estimated income, instead of outright removing them

10:52:19  <Samu> engines<

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12:33:30  <Samu> hmm ai is replacing all darwin 600 with airtaxi a21

12:33:51  <Samu> better reliability on airtaxi, same passenger capacity

12:34:15  <Samu> i think i like this change

12:38:45  <Samu> uhm... weird reliabilities

12:38:50  <Samu> all models have 78%

12:39:02  <Samu> no variance, is this intended? looks bugged

12:39:28  <Samu> only those models that are being retired have lower values

12:41:35  <andythenorth> breakdowns off?

12:42:18  <Samu> no

12:42:47  <Samu> 8 aircraft models have 78%

12:43:19  <Samu> 3 have 77%

12:43:33  <Samu> 2 have 76%

12:44:28  <Samu> then 1 of each: 63%, 55%, 47%, 47%, 42%, 40% all of these being retired soon

12:45:01  <Samu> i find these values a bit strange

12:45:44  <Samu> there's nothing better than 78%

12:46:59  <Samu> those 2 that were 76%, are now 75%, they're being retired too

12:49:16  <Samu> heh, speaking of airtaxi a21, it's being retired too

12:49:26  <Samu> already replacing back to darwin 600

12:49:42  <Samu> AI is being too sensible now :o

12:50:25  <Samu> sensitive*

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13:51:30  <andythenorth> quak

13:52:50  <frosch123> moo

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15:07:07  <Samu> when my ai does better with mail than with pass, something's wrong

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15:36:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHWP

16:18:18  <peter1139> Alright, white chocolate and cookie magnums are nice...

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16:31:24  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHly

16:31:45  <Eddi|zuHause> magnum as in the ice on a stick?

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16:39:00  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHlQ

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17:30:13  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 updated pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fj1oP

17:30:55  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjH8p

17:31:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjH8h

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18:09:33  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fjHgc

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18:18:54  <peter1139> Bah, no ninjam packages

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19:43:49  <Samu> I think I understand town effects now

19:45:22  <Samu> AITown.GetCargoGoal

19:45:33  <Samu> really tricky to understand

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20:35:59  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command https://git.io/fj1oP

20:44:12  <andythenorth> yo

20:45:15  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i tried timing a crossing light to make it flow better, but i don't think it worked... :/

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21:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that did not work... :/

21:34:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i need a road with more lanes, but there aren't any with this tram track configuration :/

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23:13:50  <Samu> milek7: hi

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