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04:48:32  <reldred> loool, a bunch of the nrt sets break on 1.9.2

04:48:51  <reldred> now I'm going to have to patiently wait, or recompile them >_>

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04:56:33  <glx> but NRT is not in 1.9.2

04:56:42  <reldred> I thought it is?

04:57:21  <reldred> I know it didn't make 1.8.1

04:57:26  <reldred> *1.9.1

04:57:37  <glx> it will be in next major release

04:58:42  <reldred> ahhhhh I'm looking at the wrong branch

04:58:44  <glx> 1.9 branch won't get any new features

04:58:58  <reldred> Right, that makes sense. I'll get back in my box and be quiet :)

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07:54:37  <andythenorth> o/

07:58:12  <reldred> aloha

08:04:44  <peter1138> Is that so?

08:07:19  <Eddi|zuHause> make it so.

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08:12:30  <andythenorth> 1.9.x does have features :)

08:12:34  * andythenorth reading logs

08:14:41  <andythenorth> oic, no features added in 1.9.2, ok :)

08:23:38  <reldred> andythenorth: yeah I got all excited too

08:23:56  <reldred> and was looling at NRT sets not working for what I presumed was bad version checking in the grf

08:24:07  <reldred> but alas, it was me doing the bad version checking

08:24:50  <andythenorth> I never play release binaries so I forget what's released :)

08:24:58  <reldred> hah

08:25:14  <reldred> I had liked the idea of albeit briefly playing stable before returning to nightlies again

08:25:36  <reldred> I mean, Iw as more hoping that a stable with NRT would prompt JGR to rebase his patchpack against current master and get NRT

08:25:45  <reldred> I want NRT with custom brigeheads damnit.

08:32:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #7602: There are 22 known save games that crash OpenTTD (latest master) on load. https://git.io/fjiRJ

08:54:33  <LordAro> those changes are unexpected

08:55:59  <Eddi|zuHause> is that because he tested with 1.9.2 which will have assertions disabled?

09:00:27  <andythenorth> :o power  uncreep

09:00:33  * andythenorth reduces the power of some trains

09:03:28  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: aha, yes

09:04:38  <LordAro> and he prrviously tested with master, which is reasonably different to 1.9

09:05:52  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #7602: There are 22 known save games that crash OpenTTD (latest master) on load. https://git.io/fjiRE

09:08:59  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> :o power  uncreep <-- in gaming context this is called "nerf"

09:09:10  <andythenorth> unbuff

09:09:17  <Eddi|zuHause> (not sure of the origin of that word)

09:12:55  <andythenorth> me neither

09:13:06  <andythenorth> I'm not nerfing because trains  are OP

09:13:15  <andythenorth> I'm resetting bits of the role tree

09:13:55  <andythenorth> I suspect I'm leaving a trap for players in the generation progression

09:14:13  <andythenorth> per generation, wagon capacity increases slightly, and max speed

09:14:47  <andythenorth> engine HP also increases, but maybe not  enough to account for HP needed to get train to higher speed at increased weight for same length

09:14:53  * andythenorth hasn't  done any maths

09:15:14  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: wikidictionary appears to think it originates from nerf guns

09:15:34  <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: because that is a trustworthy source?

09:15:55  <LordAro> eh, reasonably so

09:17:02  <reldred> I seem to struggle to get road vehicles to run a profit at all, and trains and short tram routes absolute gravy-makers.

09:17:10  <LordAro> `1955, in nerf bars, hot-rodder slang for "custom bumpers;" from slang verb in auto racing (1953) meaning "to nudge something with a bumper in passing and knock it off course;" further etymology and signification unknown. `

09:17:22  <LordAro> appears to be older, but a different meaning

09:20:20  * Eddi|zuHause files that under "cool story, but no way to be sure"

09:20:24  <andythenorth> +1

09:20:45  <andythenorth> it's quite interesting trying to make a pseudo-realistic grf

09:20:50  <andythenorth> whilst sticking to a role tree

09:21:00  <andythenorth> otoh, RL trains tend to be designed against a role tree

09:21:07  <andythenorth> so it's not impossible :P

09:21:45  <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i tried with CETS. most engines fit a role rather nicely, but there are some outliers, and some notable gaps

09:26:44  <andythenorth> it's an interesting meta-game

09:26:58  <andythenorth> by comparison, desiging RVs is less interesting

09:33:49  <reldred> Kinda comes downto industry as well to an extent, but then if you boost payments high enough to make RV's profitable by themselves trains become stupid profitable

09:34:48  <reldred> or maybe I've jus gotten shit at the game and need to git gud.

09:35:00  <reldred> the latter is highly probable

09:36:40  <andythenorth> RVs can be profitable :)

09:36:56  <andythenorth> they're uninteresting to design because they're fixed consists

09:37:28  <andythenorth> for a specific roadtype, there's only one role, 'vehicle' :P

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09:37:40  <reldred> Yeah

09:41:16  <reldred> It's like, cool, we have road trains, freight trolley busses and trams, and if they're all doing about the same average speed and carrying about the same tonnage then... what's the point? I mean the infrastructure cost differences aren't really great enough to justify and unless you're really gung ho on recreating a particular operator it's like... what's the point?

09:42:06  <reldred> I mean I'm not complaining, I like variety

09:42:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that's why there are almost no truck sets out there

09:43:23  <Eddi|zuHause> almost every RV set is busses and trams

09:43:37  <reldred> Yeah, although I wonder if that's just because the two north ameriacn sets just didn't get far enough

09:44:00  <reldred> I know danmack had plans on yank style big rigs for the north american set he was doing with pikka.

09:45:03  <reldred> I mean road hog has trucks, mop's rv set has trucks and road trains, and there's egrvts which never caught my attention long enough to go through every option but I'm pretty sure that had trucks too

09:45:19  <reldred> but yeah you're right we've never really had a region specific set tackle trucks.

09:45:42  <reldred> I mean not since george's longbois-with-naked-wimmin-on-them a decade ago.

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12:30:58  <FLHerne> reldred: Bob's Random British Vehicles has an interesting set of British vans and trucks

12:31:10  <FLHerne> Has some annoying gameplay holes though

12:33:04  <andythenorth> I'll make a decent RV set one day

12:35:15  <peter1138> But will you?

12:37:03  <andythenorth> I might make a decent RV set one   day

12:37:04  <andythenorth> fixed it

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14:16:00  <planetmaker> heqs is quite decent :)

14:16:10  <planetmaker> but maybe on a tangent to what people expect

14:22:04  <Eddi|zuHause> HEQS isn't really a truck set

14:34:53  <andythenorth> I made Hog

14:35:08  <andythenorth> it's fail of course

14:36:50  <peter1138> I had lunch. I don't know if it was sanctioned.

14:38:02  <nakki> I had ramen today!

14:38:09  <nakki> it was good

14:38:32  <peter1138> Salad with olives, manchego and ham.

14:38:39  <peter1138> I know how to live!

14:39:49  <andythenorth> could be worse

14:39:53  <andythenorth> I had vegemite on toast

14:39:57  <peter1138> Beautiful.

14:40:10  <andythenorth> maybe I'll go to Sainsburys

14:40:13  <nakki> that reminds me, i still need to figure out dinner for today

14:40:42  <andythenorth> I've had 6 non-meat meals in a row, time for some ham?

14:40:50  <andythenorth> eggs might be meat though? :P

14:41:15  <LordAro> sam i am?

14:41:53  <peter1138> I suspect an egg with meat in it would taste pretty awful.

14:42:04  <peter1138> Probably some delicacy somewhere in the world.

14:42:48  <planetmaker> it's called scrambled eggs...

14:43:22  <planetmaker> unless you mean without adding anything to the egg... but then you're right: it's a speciality somewhere

14:43:46  <nakki> now i'm longing for a full english breakfast buffet

14:43:48  <nakki> thanks a lot, guys

14:44:15  <planetmaker> welcome :P

14:44:18  <nakki> working hard to not eat too much and excercise so i'd lose some weight and then people on irc keep on talking about food all the time

14:44:20  <nakki> life is hard :(

14:44:41  <planetmaker> this is no pony barn

14:59:07  <peter1138> I failed at not eating too much yesterday :/

14:59:14  <peter1138> And didn't exercise at all. For a whole day!

14:59:39  <nakki> my excercise lately has been playing beat saber on my vive

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15:00:45  <planetmaker> 20km canoe was enough for the weekend

15:01:11  <peter1138> 20km canoe sounds like a good arm workout.

15:01:16  <planetmaker> yes

15:02:33  <planetmaker> and it's the length one can do with a family

15:03:48  <peter1138> Hmm, just thinking where I can do that... and of course there's a canal very near my house.

15:04:38  <peter1138> Oh, as well as needing a kayak, you need... a license.

15:04:53  <planetmaker> for a kayak?!

15:05:05  <peter1138> To use it on canals, apparently.

15:05:33  * peter1138 discovers the difference between a kayak and a canoe. Okay, baby steps. :p

15:05:44  <peter1138> Maybe I should just go swimming (at the pool) instead. That'll be an arm workout.

15:05:46  <planetmaker> interesting. And don't get me on the difference... :P

15:06:32  <peter1138> (Rivers need a license too)

15:06:46  <planetmaker> tbh, we had both... a canoe and several kayaks

15:07:28  <planetmaker> well, luckily we don't need a license here for anything < 15 horse powers

15:07:37  <planetmaker> which... applies to both canoe and kayak :D

15:09:36  <LordAro> peter1138: doesn't seem quite right, given you can trivially hire canoes/kayaks

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15:31:34  <FLHerne> LordAro: For the boat, not the user

15:32:36  <FLHerne> Well, pedantically I suppose it's a license to use the waterway with that particular boat

15:32:58  <FLHerne> (the various waterway owners in the UK have different licensing schemes)

15:35:15  <LordAro> i see

15:42:41  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i thought it was 5hp?

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16:27:01  <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.9.2

16:27:02  *** DorpsGek changes topic to "1.9.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"

16:36:48  <nielsm> should release it properly :P

16:37:56  <nielsm> should I make a PR for release post on website?

16:39:29  <peter1138> Hmm?

16:41:05  <andythenorth> 1.10 or bust :)

16:41:15  * andythenorth goes away for more lunch   :P

16:44:06  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nielsmh opened pull request #92: Release post for 1.9.2 https://git.io/fjiV9

16:46:56  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: because all the new features have been well tested (tm)?

16:49:37  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro approved pull request #92: Release post for 1.9.2 https://git.io/fjiVN

16:50:17  <LordAro> andythenorth: well, if we're planning on releasing 1.10 in october...

16:52:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nielsmh merged pull request #92: Release post for 1.9.2 https://git.io/fjiV9

16:52:38  <nielsm> hm the site still requires a tag to also release the post, right?

16:53:30  <nielsm> oh... oops, wrong commit text

16:53:33  <nielsm> :(

16:54:08  <nielsm> anyone with permissions who dare force-push website/master?

16:54:24  <milek7> is there a way to distribute macos binary requiring homebrew packages? or i need to manually copy all depending dylibs?

16:57:21  <nielsm> there is but it's fiddly

16:57:44  <LordAro> nielsm: eh, commit text not worth worrying about

16:57:51  <LordAro> it does need a release though

16:58:23  <nielsm> you'll need some tooling to discover all required dylibs recursively, copy them into the .app package, then use install_name_tool to adjust the install names for all the dylibs you put into the package so the dynamic linker can find them

17:04:23  <milek7> thanks

17:04:30  <milek7> (for context, I'm trying to do it for peculiar train simulator, https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033030)

17:09:49  <nielsm> anyone with mod on the forums who can change stickies? https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=85542

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17:15:56  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it used to be 5hp. It was changed some years ago

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17:57:02  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i'm probably just not up to date then

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19:32:34  <andythenorth> well

19:35:13  <Wolf01> Moin

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19:52:04  <andythenorth> rod for my own back

19:52:05  <andythenorth> made one

19:52:30  <andythenorth> https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/make+a+rod+for+own+back

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20:07:46  <andythenorth> how can I flip a dual-head train?

20:11:53  <Wolf01> Just reverse it :P

20:19:42  <andythenorth> how?

20:25:07  <frosch123> you can't

20:26:37  <andythenorth> is challenge :)

20:26:42  <andythenorth> challenges my set design :P

20:26:50  <andythenorth> I am boxed into a corner

20:43:00  <peter1138> 660 kcal of dinner, woo

20:47:49  <andythenorth> is that a lot?

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21:18:27  <Wolf01> <peter1138> 660 kcal of dinner, woo <- pff... I just ate a quarter of a pig

21:20:03  <Wolf01> Also in the last year I gained 5kg, no more underweight \o/

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21:30:18  <Samu> https://imgur.com/a/BIrt78H - wow

21:32:49  <peter1138> andythenorth, no, but it's more than I normally have.

21:40:40  <andythenorth> making coaches for HSTs is really hard in Horse

21:41:30  * andythenorth more python

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22:15:21  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7524: Feature Request: Delivery Caps/Throttling. https://git.io/fjiiv

22:15:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh closed issue #7524: Feature Request: Delivery Caps/Throttling. https://git.io/fjOq8

22:16:26  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh closed issue #7523: Load/Save screen got lost, unrecoverable. https://git.io/fjOtM

22:16:27  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7523: Load/Save screen got lost, unrecoverable. https://git.io/fjiiJ

22:26:51  <andythenorth> so if we had a payment multiplier prop on vehicles

22:26:56  <andythenorth> I could make an observation coach

22:26:59  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh opened issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjii3

22:27:00  <andythenorth> which doubles revenue

22:30:09  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjiin

22:32:24  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7247: With lots of vehicles, PerformanceAccumulator has a large performance impact itself https://git.io/fjiiC

22:32:54  <nielsm> andythenorth: you wrote 10.13 twice, probably meant 10.12 for one of them?

22:33:06  <nielsm> or 10.14

22:33:33  <andythenorth> fixed :)

22:33:44  <andythenorth> I need to investigate more another time

22:33:54  <andythenorth> I am busy next few days

22:47:10  <andythenorth> 'we can rebuild him'

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23:01:39  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjiiy

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23:58:50  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] michicc updated pull request #88: Add: Monthly Dev Post of July 2019 https://git.io/fjZhM

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