IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-07-02
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00:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_work> if firs industry produces something, good enough <-- that is not the problem. the problem is he had this perfecly working code, but a few months ago he had a tantrum of "i don't understand this code, this means it is bad and i must rip it out"
00:33:54 <supermop_work> i guess it should then be "if the andy produces something, good enough" and leave it be?
00:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in the before he has storage for leftover amounts, in the after version that code is dropped
00:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so, either he has to reinstate that storage code, or in the produce block he needs to leave some pieces in the stockpile, if they would be rounded down in a calculation later
00:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how many registers there are, though
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08:44:24 <nakki> this is a cursed morning
08:53:54 * andythenorth somewhat fixed FIRS production
09:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i did tell you a few months ago that dropping the leftover calculation was a bad idea
09:17:04 <andythenorth> I should document why it has to be there
09:17:22 <andythenorth> it appears to be due to the vehicle unload cycle moving very small amounts to the industry
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10:18:57 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fjKwH
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10:32:16 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
10:32:48 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
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15:46:53 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #7635: Game crash on exit scenario editor when you build or demolish infrastructure https://git.io/fjK1y
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16:21:37 <peter1138> Hmm, wondering if I should take the short or long route home.
16:28:22 <peter1138> Hmm, 30 vs 50 minutes.
16:30:49 <peter1138> Or, indeed, the as-yet unridden medium route, of probably 40 minutes. (11 miles)
16:31:33 <peter1138> Mainly cos it stays on main roads longer than the short and long routes, so is basically pointless.
16:45:47 <andythenorth> I took the 'waiting at red traffic lights a lot' routes yesterday :P
16:45:48 <peter1138> Allegedly it's sunny and 20°C. It's not.
16:46:19 <peter1138> Hmm, although I'm going out tonight, so maybe I can't be arsed with the long route.
17:06:46 <LordAro> peter1138: i'd do my longer route more often, but i'd need to remember to bring actual cycling clothes
17:06:52 <LordAro> otherwise i get overly damp
17:07:37 <peter1138> I have stealth clothing: MTB-style shorts and a wicking vest.
17:07:57 <peter1138> Although I don't usually put enough effort in to sweat profusely.
17:07:58 <LordAro> mm, that could work actually
17:08:13 <LordAro> my normal shorts are more of a beige, which kinda shows a bit
17:08:44 <peter1138> I had a bit of extertion getting a KOM on Sunday mind you.
17:30:57 <Samu> the new RailwAI version is apparently performing worse
17:31:20 <Samu> don't know if i should repeat all the rounds with the new version or wait for a more stable version
17:31:51 <Samu> kinda sucks to do about 40~ rounds only to get another version out again
17:44:22 <peter1138> Nodoby really cares :p
17:45:00 <andythenorth> I don't mind this particular spam though :)
17:58:18 <peter1138> Yes, because I often write in German...
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19:01:42 <andythenorth> which way shall I cycle home?
19:01:53 <andythenorth> up the short steep hill, or the long shallow hill?
19:01:58 <andythenorth> lolz, what am I saying
19:02:02 <andythenorth> there is no shallow hill :P
19:02:12 <andythenorth> exit stage right
19:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> remember that stage right is on your left :p
19:03:49 <andythenorth> it's only a 47m vertical climb actually
19:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that's like a 15 story building
19:04:17 <andythenorth> 3.6km, google says 15 mins, I think I can prove that wrong
19:04:25 <andythenorth> eh, the route I normally go is 4.8km :o
19:04:35 <andythenorth> doesn't feel longer :P
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19:29:40 <rubenwardy> stage right would be on his right, if he's facing the audience
19:29:50 <rubenwardy> stage directions - perspective of actor facing audience
19:29:59 <rubenwardy> house directions - perspective of audience
19:30:09 <rubenwardy> I only know this because of friends
19:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> not on the stages i've been
19:31:21 <Eddi|zuHause> stage directions were always from the view of the audience (where the director would sit in rehearsals)
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19:51:55 <andythenorth> 3.7km 58m vertical climb
19:52:06 <andythenorth> google says 17min, I got 9min
19:52:16 <andythenorth> lucky with green traffic lights
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19:52:38 <andythenorth> also bike has go faster electrification mode :P
19:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> according to google, if i want to go Anywhere(tm), it's 17km, 108m up, 127m down
19:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> just leaving the village is a climb of 23m over a distance of 450m
19:58:48 <andythenorth> is faster on electric bike? :P
20:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's a drop of 33m over 750m
20:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's a climb of 27m over 1.5km
20:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> then there's a short flat section and a drop of 52m over 2km
20:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and then a climb of 27m over 850m
20:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and then i still haven't reached the city limits
20:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and to go back the whole thing in reverse...
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20:06:25 <andythenorth> electric bike with big battery :P
20:06:58 <andythenorth> mine only has about 5 mile range if ridden everywhere on turbo
20:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's less climbing if i go on the main road, but that would be crazy and borderline life-threatening
20:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and only slightly less...
20:11:32 <andythenorth> so who here has an electric car? :)
20:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like one, but it's probably not yet realistic
20:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but i should probably be getting a new car by the end of the year...
20:15:53 <andythenorth> I am interested how fast it will switch
20:15:55 <andythenorth> and what blocks it
20:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the main blocker for me right now is the high entry cost
20:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> a lesser annoyance would be the long recharging times at long distance trips
20:21:43 <andythenorth> do you buy cars cash, or finance?
20:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never actually, technically, bought a car myself
20:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure i'd get away with financing at the moment
20:26:21 <Eddi|zuHause> although that would probably be the sane thing to do
20:26:42 <andythenorth> last time I looked seriously was ~2 years ago
20:27:05 <andythenorth> the battery was confusing - do you own it or rent it?
20:27:11 <andythenorth> so I bought a diesel van :P
20:27:18 <andythenorth> I think that will get addressed this year
20:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i pushed my old car through the checks, which was probably more expensive than getting a new old car...
20:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (also, i'm not driving nearly enough for a diesel to have made sense)
20:32:16 <andythenorth> electrification has to come, and soon
20:32:33 <andythenorth> there are only 2 electric cars on my street, in a very liberal, affluent area
20:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it has to, but it's still only the first step
20:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> a) you now need more electricity, b) you need to produce this new electricity without using carbon, c) you also need to produce the other electricity without carbon
20:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> d) and preferably also not irreversably radiating the planet while doing so
20:34:52 <andythenorth> it's non-trivial
20:35:18 <andythenorth> but transport electrification creates demand which attracts capital
20:35:23 <andythenorth> and creates battery reserve
20:38:09 <andythenorth> in summer the UK regularly pushes 20%-35% renewables
21:10:08 <andythenorth> I really enjoy Pikka's AI
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