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00:08:43  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #7601: Fix #7600: Don't read uninitialised memory when parsing GS language files https://git.io/fj4xL

00:08:49  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #7600: Stack buffer over-read in ReadRawLanguageStrings https://git.io/fj4P1

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00:40:30  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 opened issue #7602: There are 22 known save games that crash OpenTTD (latest master) on load. https://git.io/fjBeO

00:43:48  <Hazzard> Is this a bug? https://i.imgur.com/3fwu9WJ.png There have never been roads there but the town is building there

00:49:35  <Eddi|zuHause> what version?

00:50:05  <Eddi|zuHause> houses can "walk" a slight bit if a big house is replaced by a small house, but this looks a bit extreme

00:51:29  <Hazzard> That actually might be it

00:51:36  <Hazzard> I'm on stable 1.9.1 regardless

00:52:36  <Hazzard> hmm actually they are a bit far huh

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00:54:01  <Hazzard> It also only happens in the negative x and negative y directions

00:56:30  <Eddi|zuHause> that supports the "walking" theory

00:57:02  <Eddi|zuHause> if a big house gets replaced by a small house, this will happen on the northern corner of the house

00:57:57  <Hazzard> Can it happen multiple times?

00:58:18  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno

00:58:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i've never witnessed that much of it

00:59:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i guess your choice of house sets influences this

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01:00:38  <Hazzard> Grfs can change the plot sizes?

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05:46:49  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the possible sizes are fixed, but it can provide more larger houses and shorter lifetimes so the problem can become more apparent

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07:13:05  <peter1138> mood gorning

07:13:36  <peter1138> A spec addition could probably quite easily add more sizes.

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07:30:23  <andythenorth> hi

07:38:44  <Corns[m]> Plot twist: turns out the dev of jokers patch pack has already implemented a "public roads" patch

07:39:12  <Corns[m]> During world gen it creates a road network between the towns, connecting the majority of them

07:40:14  <Corns[m]> On the other hand, i hear it uses a buttload of memory

07:40:50  <peter1138> Also the dev turned out to have a personality issue and disappeared for some reason.

07:54:35  <LordAro> quite a few broken save games

08:11:01  <Corns[m]> peter1138: :0 where does it say

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08:16:49  <peter1138> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=74365

08:16:51  <peter1138> First post...

08:20:22  <Corns[m]> Holy

08:21:23  <Corns[m]> You mean like

08:21:32  <Corns[m]> How their post is basically cleared out?

08:21:52  <peter1138> And some later ones were replaced with "Done here"

08:33:40  <andythenorth> the most mysterious  rage quit

08:36:52  <andythenorth> is it lunch?

08:39:18  <peter1138> Unlikely

08:41:01  <andythenorth> thanks

08:41:08  <andythenorth> we should teach the bot to answer

08:57:27  <Corns[m]> peter1138: I'd like to modify and then add Jokers public roads patch to the master branch

08:58:16  <Corns[m]> What are your thoughts on the patch?

08:58:27  <peter1138> Never seen it.

08:59:14  <Corns[m]> peter1138: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=77024

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09:06:24  <andythenorth> AI

09:06:27  <andythenorth> GS

09:09:35  <Corns[m]> andythenorth: what do you mean

09:09:55  <andythenorth> there are AIs that build roads :)

09:09:59  <Corns[m]> Oh ru saying

09:10:04  <Corns[m]> Yeah

09:10:05  <Corns[m]> And gamescripts

09:10:13  <andythenorth> generally I think we favour using content over modifying the game

09:10:24  <Corns[m]> But i think its a nice feature that works alongside other gamescripts

09:10:24  <andythenorth> although that changes depending on who's active

09:10:46  <Corns[m]> +i guess it uses less cpu than the CityConnector ai?

09:13:12  <andythenorth> dunno :)

09:13:58  <Corns[m]> andythenorth: okay what do you think about this patch idea

09:14:23  <andythenorth> it's moot what I think, I can't merge anything :)

09:14:38  <andythenorth> I prefer using the content APIs, and having a smaller core game codebase

09:14:50  <Corns[m]> Oh

09:16:11  <Corns[m]> https://gfycat.com/zealoussentimentalcollardlizard

09:16:21  <Corns[m]> I dont think this one can be implemented via newgrf

09:17:19  <andythenorth> no

09:17:23  <andythenorth> I think that's in JGR

09:17:26  <andythenorth> iirc

09:17:46  <Corns[m]> Polyline is in JGR, yeah

09:18:10  <Corns[m]> But this uses A* to pathfind between the start and goal

09:18:10  <andythenorth> is it good?

09:18:17  <andythenorth> I tried polyline, but I couldn't figure it out

09:18:26  <Corns[m]> Oh rip

09:18:52  <Corns[m]> Polyline makes it easier for building longer lengths of track imo

09:20:27  <Corns[m]> Im still working on this railplanner - i need to reduce its memory usage most importantly

09:24:38  <Corns[m]> I think it'll save a lot of tedium for mobile/console players

09:25:37  <Corns[m]> And reduce the amount of clicks/effort the player needs to build tracks

09:27:22  <andythenorth> railbuilding can be tedious

09:31:17  <Corns[m]> Yeah i play a lot in reddit S1

09:31:49  <Corns[m]> And spending 30 mins building a track from one side of the 1024x2048 map to the other was a big motivator in me developing this

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10:11:42  <peter1138> Sure but that is basically the game.

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10:22:51  <Corns[m]> Depends what you get out of the game :)

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11:24:20  <planetmaker> Long ago I would have argued against it. But actually I meanwhile like the idea of this polyline rail builder

11:25:17  <planetmaker> I think it solves a problem for a number of people - and doesn't really hurt anyone

11:25:27  <planetmaker> after all, you're not forced to use it

11:25:47  <planetmaker> and a manual route would still be better - but take longer to build

11:29:29  <Artea> good morning

11:29:47  <Artea> my server stil running

11:32:17  <Artea> I gave up going everyday make more aircrafts

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12:29:47  <peter1138> planetmaker, from what I saw the game stalls while planning a route, so it needs work :p

12:32:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure the patch is "well tested"

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13:02:23  <planetmaker> I'm just talking about the feature, not the actual implementation ;)

13:12:23  <Corns[m]> peter1138: game doesnt stall while planning, ive implemented it so it does a fixed number of loops before relegating control back to the rest of the game loop

13:13:09  <Corns[m]> But yeah its memory usage is bonkers at the moment (up to 2gb for 1024x2048 corner to corner)

13:13:50  <Corns[m]> It needs work - i do plan to add features to account for corner size, inclines and maybe even bridges/tunnels

13:15:04  <peter1138> Why so much? o_O

13:15:28  <Corns[m]> Ive been reading a bunch of path search algorithms written by this one professor - although ive yet to implement them/see how they compare in performance with regards to time and memory

13:18:18  <Corns[m]> peter1138: the A* algorithm has to make a new struct for each possible track placement on each tile of land

13:19:32  <Corns[m]> So something like 64 bytes per node, 12 directions per tile and then some number of tiles per search

13:20:30  <Corns[m]> The "freeze" you see at the end of the gif, just as the entire track is built, actually comes from freeing/ deleting all the data structures that were in use :^)

13:21:20  <Corns[m]> So i guess that deletion process could be split up into multiple ticks so it doesn't cause noticeable lag

13:40:08  <peter1138> Hmm, is it lunch time?

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14:48:10  <dihedral> hello

15:10:32  <planetmaker> o/

15:12:14  <supermop_work> yo

15:28:41  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #7603: Town::cargo_accepted, Town::cargo_produced saveload and consistency issues https://git.io/fjB3A

15:33:07  <andythenorth> yo

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15:50:39  <peter1138> Might do a cycle tonight.

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16:02:22  <andythenorth> fair

16:02:29  <andythenorth> I might do some Azure pipelines

16:02:35  <andythenorth> kinda need a friend :P

16:27:26  <Eddi|zuHause> not sure how you'd get a friend via azure pipelines... but it's not like i'm an expert :p

16:27:56  <andythenorth> it's probably just a thing on the Azure plugin store

16:27:59  <andythenorth> 'install friend'

16:28:23  <Eddi|zuHause> a few years ago that would have been a python joke

16:29:41  <planetmaker> that sounds... spooky

16:30:33  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean https://xkcd.com/413/

16:31:42  <planetmaker> :D nice

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16:50:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i think there was another one of those buried in some larger xkcd, but i can't find it

16:51:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i got it: https://xkcd.com/521/

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17:49:38  <FLHerne> Alt-text too in that one

17:50:13  <FLHerne> There's also https://www.xkcd.com/353/

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18:04:56  <LordAro> FLHerne: https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Lib/antigravity.py

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19:17:34  <Wolf01> o/

19:17:42  <supermop_work> hi Wolf01

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20:33:06  <andythenorth> yo

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20:34:41  <frosch123> ho

20:35:13  <andythenorth> hi

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20:38:15  <andythenorth> so I need to teach Azure pipelines about git revs / tags

20:38:22  <andythenorth> probably OpenTTD did that already?

20:48:45  <LordAro> probably

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21:20:53  <glx> you just need some files in your repo I think

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21:38:25  <glx> andythenorth: you need https://github.com/marketplace/azure-pipelines too

21:48:14  <andythenorth> what does it do? o_O

21:48:53  <andythenorth> oh I installed it already ok

21:50:25  <peter1138> hi

21:50:48  <andythenorth> chicken and rice

21:50:54  <andythenorth> not photo-worthy though

21:52:19  <peter1138> salmon and stirfry veg (my usual mix)

21:53:20  <glx> andythenorth: then basically it's just https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/get-started/pipelines-get-started?view=azure-devops&tabs=yaml

21:54:06  <andythenorth> yeah, I have it building for a while now

21:54:15  <andythenorth> :)

21:54:38  <andythenorth> but I need to prep the artifacts for distribution

21:55:29  <andythenorth> maybe I can just the existing make target for bundling

21:56:00  <andythenorth> the goal is to push it Amazon S3

21:56:30  <glx> you can check openttd yml

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21:59:40  <andythenorth> ok the magic is all in the templates

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22:11:28  <nielsm> I "fixed" this page: https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Windows_using_Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2015

22:12:09  <glx> nice fix :)

22:12:37  <nielsm> who can delete pages?

22:12:44  <glx> hmm could add a link to the readme

22:13:00  <andythenorth> I can delete pages

22:13:25  <nielsm> https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Compiling_OpenTTD

22:13:41  <nielsm> the pages for visual C++ 2012, 2008/2010, and 2005 are no longer valid

22:13:45  <Eddi|zuHause> nielsm: that last sentence could go in some notification box, wikipedia style?

22:13:46  <nielsm> none of those compilers are supported

22:14:09  <nielsm> Eddi|zuHause yeah, I didn't care for looking up what box templates exist on this wiki right now

22:14:24  <glx> better link directly to https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/Readme_Windows_MSVC.md than indicating README.md I think

22:15:51  <frosch123> nielsm: can you delete them now? maybe relogin?

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22:19:56  <nielsm> frosch123, I think I'll add the {{Historic|explanation}} box to them instead maybe?

22:21:58  <andythenorth> so when's 1.10? :)

22:22:24  <frosch123> i think history content is more for gameplay features

22:22:34  <frosch123> stuff you can learn from, or use in some discussion

22:22:36  <Eddi|zuHause> $someone wanted to accelerate the release schedule

22:22:45  <frosch123> andythenorth: 1.A

22:22:54  <andythenorth> _final

22:23:09  <Eddi|zuHause> we'll run into the next newgrf version trouble at 1.16

22:24:08  <Eddi|zuHause> or we pull a java and call the next version "10"

22:25:33  * peter1138 ponders some cheese.

22:26:18  * andythenorth had some

22:26:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i had something like https://www.rewe.de/rezepte/wurstgulasch/

22:32:17  <frosch123> i am having https://www.coffeefair.de/monin-sirup-mandel-0-7-l/a-71811319

22:32:20  <frosch123> not pure though

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22:36:17  <Eddi|zuHause> can't imagine what you use that in

22:36:59  <peter1138> Definitely not coffee, no.

22:37:26  <frosch123> the nut-based stuff works in light coffees, like cappucino

22:37:33  <frosch123> it does not work in strong coffee

22:37:42  <frosch123> and non-nut-based stuff does not work either

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22:38:02  <andythenorth> zlow Azure iz zlow

22:39:12  <andythenorth> hmm looks like NML failed

22:39:30  <andythenorth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pdmw75a2h/bqmxjo/raw

22:40:01  <glx> you know you can link to pipeline build :)

22:40:23  <andythenorth> https://dev.azure.com/mail0607/FIRS/_build/results?buildId=22&view=logs&jobId=54b4a527-ead6-5d78-3f02-5346815e0ca2&taskId=1eca62fb-7101-51e6-f719-ccbc7984bc29&lineStart=1&lineEnd=37&colStart=1&colEnd=1

22:40:55  <andythenorth> dunno how to make the world-visible

22:41:02  <andythenorth> probably clicking a lot of  scary buttons

22:41:16  <glx> hmm indeed it's blocked

22:41:40  <andythenorth> I'll try to make it unauthed

22:41:50  <andythenorth> Azure is very "and now you have 2 problems"

22:41:56  <frosch123> andythenorth: i think there is some PR to make nml work with newer pil

22:42:32  <frosch123> https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/29 <- you probably need that

22:43:38  <andythenorth> plausible

22:43:47  <andythenorth> currently I rely on getting nml via pip

22:43:57  <andythenorth> not sure how to teach it to install a dev build

22:44:35  <andythenorth> probably just clone the nml repo or something

22:45:04  <frosch123> what, pip? isn't that some 7 year old nml 0.2?

22:47:03  <Eddi|zuHause> > pip search nml

22:47:05  <Eddi|zuHause> nml (0.4.5)             - A tool to compile nml files to grf or nfo files

22:47:32  <glx> it's the latest stable yes

22:48:05  <supermop_work> peter1138: did you have the cheese?

22:48:14  <peter1138> I am having it right now.

22:48:23  <frosch123> https://pypi.org/project/nml/#history <- wow, someone updated it

22:48:27  <supermop_work> anything good?

22:48:33  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm always mixing up supermop_work and Supercheese

22:48:42  <peter1138> https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/261621240

22:48:42  <supermop_work> i do like cheese

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22:49:06  <supermop_work> hmm tesco goats cheese huh

22:49:26  <supermop_work> i do like ash covered goats cheeses now and then

22:49:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue what you're talking about

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22:50:04  <peter1138> This is pretty... matured, as I bought it reduced price a week or so ago :p

22:50:07  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, cheese.

22:50:19  <supermop_work> no goats cheese in germany, Eddi|zuHause ?

22:50:40  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_work: i'm sure there is, but in my world, cheese plays no part

22:50:40  <frosch123> it's only imported from greece

22:50:57  <andythenorth> peter1138: I just threw some away

22:51:01  <glx> silly, france is closer :)

22:51:05  <andythenorth> there's ash, and then there's black mould :P

22:51:13  <andythenorth> it's important to know one from the other, I found

22:51:15  <peter1138> Hmm.

22:51:21  <peter1138> This is not mouldy.

22:51:28  <supermop_work> hooray

22:51:29  <andythenorth> mine was only just gone

22:51:45  <peter1138> I did buy one a couple of months back and it did go mouldy, but it was orange/pink mould, so kinda obviouis.

22:51:47  <peter1138> -i

22:52:23  <supermop_work> i have this huge bag of bresaola and prosciutto that i got as leftovers from a design party on tuesday

22:53:08  <supermop_work> like 1 kg of charcuterie. in a race against time to eat before its gets much more 'mature' in my fridge

22:53:15  <peter1138> Heh

22:53:52  * andythenorth celebrates 10s Horse compiles, again

22:53:58  <andythenorth> much spriting

22:54:01  <peter1138> Ripped everything out?

22:54:18  <supermop_work> its just the class 20 and one hopper now

22:54:24  <andythenorth> using grfcodec

22:57:45  <peter1138> o

22:57:58  <andythenorth> old is new again

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23:15:05  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] MingweiSamuel opened issue #7604: Buildings "wander" north away from roads https://git.io/fjBBq

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23:45:15  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened pull request #7605: Fix #7593: Crash in ScriptOrder::GetOrderDistance in VT_AIR mode https://git.io/fjBBD

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