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00:21:30 <Samu__> ohh... rythorn airline ai beats nonocab
00:22:00 <Samu__> no more 1/1 plane speed
00:22:55 <Samu__> I also shouldn't consider trying larger maps
00:23:05 <Samu__> what's the max you'd test the AIs on?
00:23:17 <Samu__> im currently testing 1024x1024
00:52:07 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on pull request #7480: Fix #6666: brackets in arabic strings https://git.io/fjlO4
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01:31:41 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] dorobouNeko updated pull request #7573: Fix #7561: Remove assumption between power and cost https://git.io/fjnyI
01:33:53 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] dorobouNeko commented on pull request #7573: Fix #7561: Remove assumption between power and cost https://git.io/fjl3e
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12:07:30 <andythenorth> bananas is erroring again, no useful output just "Unexpected error while uploading."
12:07:39 <andythenorth> possibly the unicode failure again? :)
12:09:30 <andythenorth> yeah An unhandled exception was thrown by the application.
12:09:42 <andythenorth> might not be same cause, but same behaviour
12:10:15 * andythenorth was all set to ship a Horse release :D
12:10:41 <Artea> it comes with Hemp wagon ?
12:11:16 <peter1138> Bit early for lunch.
12:13:19 <andythenorth> hmm I need to remember how to musa
12:13:28 <andythenorth> also obligations
12:13:32 * andythenorth must to bike time
12:16:39 <LordAro> peter1138: can confirm
12:16:53 <peter1138> Your bike time too?
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12:18:40 <peter1138> Was that your bike time completed?
12:18:46 <LordAro> peter1138: tonight, i mean
12:19:01 <LordAro> going up a big hill today
12:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause> famous as in Everest, Matterhorn?
12:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Eiger north face?
12:44:06 <peter1138> Probably not quite that famous.
12:47:31 <peter1138> My nearest on that list is no. 23
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13:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure i've never heard of a single of those places
13:10:30 <peter1138> Well it is UK specific.
13:10:37 <peter1138> And hills, not mountains :p
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13:58:26 <LordAro> i want to do Rosedale Chimney this year
13:59:09 <peter1138> Pretty sure I've done that many many years ago as a teenager. By done I mean "pushed the bike up cos it was too steep"
14:01:09 * peter1138 updates his Veloviewer stats.
14:01:52 <peter1138> KOMs: 6. Well that's going down :-(
14:02:17 <LordAro> still, 6 more than me
14:02:25 <peter1138> Hmm, 10,800 miles on my road bike.
14:04:07 <LordAro> i've got a 7th, apparently
14:06:21 <peter1138> Mine are very mediocre local things, of course :p
14:08:27 <LordAro> and the KOM is a full 40s faster (over 2.5miles)
14:10:13 <peter1138> Two of my KOMs were due to lucky wind and being behind favourable traffic.
14:11:29 <peter1138> One large mobile crane that blocked the wind, dragged me along, and didn't go fast enough to leave me behind.
14:12:46 <peter1138> First place on a segment on Strava. "King of the Mountains" but a bit more generic than actual mountains.
14:13:38 <peter1138> Yeah, they can be flat or down hill.
14:13:48 <peter1138> Whatever somebody sets up, heh.
14:14:04 <LordAro> just some segment of road (or not road)
14:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so, someone draws a line on a website, and others try to beat them on their time?
14:26:07 <FLHerne> I think I'm abouut as far from any of those as it's possible to get in the UK :P
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14:27:00 <FLHerne> At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county
14:35:40 <LordAro> nicely done though, nearly 80 miles is nothing to be sniffed at
14:38:18 <FLHerne> In fairness, I did stop in the middle to ring some church bells
14:39:15 <FLHerne> For some reason I refuse to cycle purely for its own sake, but to get somewhere I wouldn't otherwise go via a circuitous route is fine...
14:39:59 <LordAro> circuitous route for coffee and cake is fine for me :p
14:41:18 <peter1138> I tend to skip the cake these days, most cafes like to serve ginormous pieces at ginormous prices...
14:42:03 <peter1138> Portable can be restored, it just needs someone to put time into creating the docker images. Same with Ubuntu 19.04.
14:42:20 <peter1138> And as I use Debian, it's not on my itch list.
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15:32:13 <peter1138> Veloviewer says if I keep up this rate, I'll hit 9000 miles this year, woo.
15:33:34 <andythenorth> I should tank less
15:33:40 <andythenorth> maybe I should start cycling for leisure
15:33:42 <andythenorth> instead of commute
15:33:48 <peter1138> Also, 6th out of 15,301 riders is not too bad.
15:33:58 <andythenorth> regular long-distance cyclists get health benefits
15:34:03 <andythenorth> especially if you're all weather
15:34:03 <peter1138> I commute and also leisure it...
15:34:18 <peter1138> Yeah I benefit from not being 18st any more.
15:36:16 <peter1138> Let's do an audax together!
15:36:57 <peter1138> Oof, Sat 25th May, 400km from Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.
15:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <FLHerne> At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county <-- i'm at 130m and the only way out of the village is up
15:38:38 <FLHerne> The only way I could go downhill from here would be to jump in the river
15:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the main reasons why i haven't been biking in the last, say, 10 years
15:38:50 <andythenorth> it's definitely time for less coding
15:38:54 <andythenorth> and more something-elsing
15:39:27 <andythenorth> Openttd: it's finished now, right? :)
15:39:34 <andythenorth> we won all the prizes?
15:39:44 <peter1138> Just let JGR get on with it.
15:39:51 <peter1138> It's the standard anyway.
15:40:53 <peter1138> 200km from Aylesbury. Well that's local.
15:41:05 <peter1138> And I did it last year, so a bit tedious :/
15:41:56 <peter1138> 200km tour of the lake district. That's gonna have some climbing...
15:42:49 <peter1138> LordAro, Inverness 1200! Let's do it!
15:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds fun, can i come? :)
15:45:28 <planetmaker> we definitely need a new vehicle type: bicycle ;)
15:45:54 <planetmaker> refittable, to 1,2, and maybe 4 people. Or 0.1t of cargo
15:46:22 <nielsm> cargo is measured in 1/8 ton iirc
15:46:30 <planetmaker> ok. 1/8t. That's ok
15:46:43 <andythenorth> can I KOM on my electric bike?
15:46:59 <peter1138> Speaking of 1/16, when are we tackling the sub-tile resolution issue? :p
15:47:10 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, "bike"
15:47:20 <planetmaker> surely sounds and looks like an euphemism to call it "conference" bike
15:47:27 <planetmaker> and "bike" yeah :P
15:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it has peddals and is driven by foot power, how is that not a bike?
15:48:13 <peter1138> But not a bi-cycle.
15:48:25 <peter1138> Therefore, not a bike.
15:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that might be a particularly narrow definition that doesn't translate well
15:49:05 <andythenorth> can I have a three-wheeled bike?
15:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the german "fahrrad" doesn'T imply two-ness
15:49:09 <peter1138> What did you think the "bi" meant?
15:49:14 <andythenorth> is a bike 1:1 with bicycle?
15:49:27 <peter1138> Is short for tricycle.
15:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think "trike" is already taken for a motorized vehicle
15:49:42 <andythenorth> children have trikes
15:49:51 <peter1138> Only by motorists, and because trikes are less common.
15:49:59 <peter1138> Adult trikes exist...
15:50:11 <andythenorth> I have a three wheeled truck
15:50:13 <peter1138> I still want a recumbent trike but I clearly have no room for one.
15:50:35 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, and "bike" also refers to a two wheeled motorcycle.
15:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: it depends how you make assumption about the default understanding, i guess...
15:59:41 * andythenorth tries to remember how musa works
15:59:47 <andythenorth> probably documented
16:04:22 <andythenorth> is redirected to openttd repo on github
16:04:28 <andythenorth> presumably there's another way?
16:09:32 <peter1138> Dunno. I don't know where the bananas source lives either.
16:09:39 <peter1138> Nor where bananas even runs, actually.
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16:10:07 <peter1138> Is it home time yet?
16:14:07 <peter1138> £53 for a bicycle tyre. FML.
16:18:51 <peter1138> Could go with Marathon Plus just to make my life hard.
16:19:06 <peter1138> (They're 3x the weight of other tyres)
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16:52:15 <FLHerne> Quite happy with my Pro 4 Endurance (v2) as a compromise
16:53:27 <FLHerne> They're a bit heavy and not very compliant compared to lightweight road tyres, but not like the Schwalbe things
16:53:47 <FLHerne> Next time I'll probably go for 25s instead of 23s
17:03:05 <peter1138> 53 might've been a pair.
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17:23:34 <Fillipuster> Having some trouble connecting to a dedicated server running on my local network. I was hoping someone here could be of assistance :)
17:24:03 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask
17:26:13 <Fillipuster> I've set up a dedicated server using docker on a linux machine. The server is seemingly running just fine, but I cannot seem to connect to it via my game client here on my main device.
17:27:25 <nielsm> can you ping between the machines?
17:29:38 <planetmaker> is it advertizing? are the ports open and routed?
17:29:41 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
17:30:00 <planetmaker> (or whatever you configured in your config file for the server)
17:30:27 <planetmaker> 3978 is not configurable ofc
17:30:52 <planetmaker> make sure both, the OS as well as any routers allow these ports also for *incoming*
17:32:44 <andythenorth> there is only one tyre in the world
17:32:51 <andythenorth> and it seems they've discontinued it :(
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17:32:58 <andythenorth> the ultimate tyre
17:33:17 <andythenorth> that shop has old stock, continental no longer make it
17:37:21 <andythenorth> should I file a ticket for bananas?
17:37:28 <andythenorth> or can I just re-open the previous issue?
17:37:53 <andythenorth> it's just an ops thing
17:39:24 <spnda> Does BaNaNaS not work again?
17:40:30 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlu9
17:40:37 <andythenorth> doesn't work for upload
17:42:30 <andythenorth> fuck me, when did I last use svn
17:42:37 * andythenorth has to look up how that works
17:42:46 <andythenorth> musa is now svn-only
17:43:19 <Fillipuster> @planetmaker I have opened up my ports. I've been running a non-dedicated server using the same port setup without any problems previously.
17:43:38 <Fillipuster> Now that I've moved it to my server instead of my main machine (updating the referenced IP of course), it seems to break.
17:44:02 <Fillipuster> To clearify: Even a local LAN connection doesn't seem possible, so maybe it isn't the ports? :/
17:44:04 <andythenorth> ok so musa is gone?
17:44:46 <andythenorth> nope I was doing svn wrong
17:45:57 <rubenwardy> using svn is doing svn wrong
17:48:08 <andythenorth> that repays all the useless comments I make here ;)
17:49:54 <andythenorth> ok so musa is python2 and my projects are all now python3
17:50:36 <andythenorth> wonder if 2to3 works
17:50:53 <andythenorth> and how we get it out of an old svn repo, and onto GH
17:53:37 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlzI
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18:00:54 <andythenorth> spnda: thanks, I wonder if the problem is with my grf
18:01:12 <andythenorth> no easy way to test though
18:01:42 <spnda> But I have nothing to update
18:05:53 <Fillipuster> Ah, I found the problem. For people running a server using a Synology NAS server + Docker: remember to inherit the network settings when creating the docker container. Otherwise the ports wont carry over.
18:07:34 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
18:42:11 <peter1138> I was only at 900 kcal, no worries for me.
18:42:19 <peter1138> Got a MTB ride to do.
18:42:41 <Arveen> could eat more while riding it
18:43:54 <Arveen> meanwhile i can let my hands off this can with Macadamia nuts
18:44:43 <peter1138> At least nuts are healthy, chocolate is just... sugar.
18:45:31 <Arveen> well, they are honey coated and salted
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18:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i never regret chocolate
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19:07:20 <andythenorth> don't have any biomass cargo, but eh, details :P
19:16:46 <peter1138> Now I have pitted prunes, yay. But no custard :(
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19:31:18 <Samu> WmDOT vs DumbAI on Toyland... hah!
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19:52:34 <andythenorth> I literally nearly added to the post 'sorry no lolz'
19:52:40 <andythenorth> It's Very Serious
20:02:20 <Wolf01> So, where does firefox downloads the updates?
20:04:11 <andythenorth> frosch123: quak, do we have any logs for bananas?
20:06:58 <andythenorth> V453000: I think the lolz is having insane number of wagon types
20:09:38 <spnda> andythenorth actually do you know what, might be because of V453000s NewGRF. It's really big if I remember correctly. Like massive
20:09:52 <andythenorth> V453000 broke bananas? o_O
20:09:59 <spnda> TrueBrain said it's sometimes due to big uploads in earlier messages
20:10:28 <spnda> "rarely all, often some, mostly when they did something weird (UTF-8 character, big upload, ..."
20:10:49 <andythenorth> I interpret that as 'the file that's failing is big' :)
20:11:01 <frosch123> nuts is not that big
20:17:37 <andythenorth> Horse is 15.3MB now
20:17:41 <andythenorth> is that too big for Bananas 1?
20:21:47 <frosch123> did you try iron horse, today 10:09 ?
20:21:57 <nielsm> aren't aBase or zBase something like 200 MB ?
20:22:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: allowing for timezone offset, yes that looks correct
20:27:00 <V453000> NUTS is 50MB uncompressed, 33 compressed
20:28:29 <frosch123> andy uploaded 3.6 MB
20:28:33 <frosch123> i doubt it's the size :p
20:29:35 <andythenorth> the tar file is 15.3MB
20:29:44 <andythenorth> so is the upload getting truncated?
20:29:50 <frosch123> yes, then that'ts the case
20:29:56 <frosch123> i tried to extrac thte upload
20:30:38 <Wolf01> Ok, after reinstalling it twice, both times with the setting on "never check updates" and deleting the updater exe it stopped to ask to install the update
20:30:58 <andythenorth> I tried switching browser, same result
20:31:03 * andythenorth wonders if the tar is broken
20:32:10 <frosch123> are you trying again?
20:37:05 <frosch123> can you please try again
20:41:06 <Wolf01> Wtf, it's still disabling the exstensions
20:41:43 <andythenorth> frosch123: yup just triggered another failure :)
20:42:46 <frosch123> hmm, so the upload was complete
20:44:48 <Wolf01> Beta branch with xpinstall.signature.required set to false... not working
20:51:48 <frosch123> well, either the logging is broken, or there is no logging
20:57:59 <andythenorth> I started down the musa alternative :)
20:58:11 <andythenorth> I now have the svn checkout of musa :P
21:04:07 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlaA
21:05:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlVe
21:07:16 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlVf
21:12:00 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlVI
21:15:20 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free() https://git.io/fjWHn
21:15:21 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 dismissed a review for pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free() https://git.io/fjWF7
21:18:21 <andythenorth> python2 ../../tools/musa/musa.py -c musa.ini -u openttdcoop -p PASSWORD iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9.tar
21:18:27 <andythenorth> no ['.grf'] file
21:18:56 <andythenorth> I guess I read rthe source :P
21:20:42 <andythenorth> the following files remained unpackaged:
21:20:42 <andythenorth> - /iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/license.txt
21:20:43 <andythenorth> unpackagable files in directory
21:22:18 <andythenorth> is there a latency when using musa?
21:22:25 <andythenorth> metadata validated at server side
21:22:26 <andythenorth> uploaded 1253695 bytes of 1253695 bytes (100%)
21:22:52 <andythenorth> no update appearing in bananas web interface
21:29:15 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlVz
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21:45:03 <frosch123> IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'Iron_Horse_2-2.0.0Alpha9' for key 'filename'")
21:45:39 <frosch123> so, database is broken from previous attempts
21:54:34 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free() https://git.io/fjlVF
22:00:00 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free() https://git.io/fjWHn
22:00:09 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #7590: If you change the game mode 9 times in succession, then the game crashes on the ninth attempt. https://git.io/fjWWD
22:04:43 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlwT
22:05:53 <frosch123> andythenorth: btw. your musa.ini contains a silly URL
22:07:20 <andythenorth> my keyboard doesn't work properly
22:07:25 <andythenorth> so paste doesn't work
22:18:54 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlwG
22:29:30 <andythenorth> TB suggested 10, but that messes up changelogs etc
22:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> -real-proper-dirfix
22:50:32 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlwM
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22:56:40 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fjlwx
23:15:53 <peter1138> Well that was a thing
23:23:47 <peter1138> And just drank half a protein shake (25g protein!) along with eaten soft figs and some raisins. Oh the sugars...
23:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you drank soft figs that were already eaten?
23:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> (these modern diet things get weirder and weirder)
23:26:14 <peter1138> Yeah I grammared that badly.
23:27:44 <peter1138> Last time I reached my max heart rate I felt quite sick for a couple of minutes. But since getting really slim my heart rate doesn't go up as much any more.
23:28:48 <LordAro> i got some nettle stings from when i collapsed in a heap at the top
23:29:16 <peter1138> I've not done that.
23:29:27 <peter1138> I hit 193 bpm once iirc.
23:29:35 <peter1138> Which was somewhat excessive at my age :p
23:29:52 <LordAro> in theory my max heart rate should be somewhere above 190, but i've not got there yet :)
23:30:04 <LordAro> still, above 180 at all is new this year
23:30:22 <peter1138> Ah no, a mere 190 bpm.
23:30:55 <peter1138> I think it's 'easier' to reach if you're overweight, as the heart has to work harder than your legs.
23:31:14 <peter1138> Now I'm slimmer I find my legs give out sooner.
23:31:25 <peter1138> Well, legs & lunchs.
23:31:45 <LordAro> clearly you miss the cafe stops :p
23:31:46 <peter1138> I've got some rides where it says 229, but that was a faulty sensor :p
23:31:56 <peter1138> No cafe stops on a Wednesday night.
23:32:02 <peter1138> No cafes in the middle of the woods :p
23:32:08 <LordAro> well no, they wouldn't be lunches :p
23:32:33 <LordAro> i've had a few recordings above 200 before, i edit them out
23:32:36 <peter1138> Hmm. we never had lunches, only elevenses (i.e. cake & coffee)
23:32:56 <peter1138> I'm tempted to get a power meter.
23:33:17 <LordAro> i was idly looking at them the other day, which sort were you looking at?
23:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i tend to try to stay below 130...
23:34:32 <peter1138> Haven't looked recently. The left-crank-only option seems the cheapest.
23:34:47 <peter1138> Staying below 130 is... not useful for exercising.
23:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a way more sustainable rate :p
23:35:17 <peter1138> Although my average used to be 150-160 when I was heavier.
23:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have this booklet that says going beyond that is a bad idea
23:35:49 <peter1138> My normal average now is 120-130.
23:35:58 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it's not.
23:36:05 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, if you're not exercising it's bad, of course.
23:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not exercising nearly enough
23:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i need to procure some WD40
23:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and some R3 (AAA) batteries
23:41:12 <peter1138> I remember when I first started commuting on the bike, about 4 years ago now. 3 miles. Worn out shattered sweaty wreck.
23:41:59 <peter1138> Only took a couple of weeks to fix that to merely sweaty.
23:55:38 <peter1138> Right, I'm going to shower and then go to bed before I get the urge to continue eating all the things.
continue to next day ⏵
