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00:24:51  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq82

00:26:01  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7380: Feature: Multi-tile docks. https://git.io/fjv8j

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00:39:01  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq82

00:44:39  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7441: Feature: Per-group wagon removal flag https://git.io/fjkJl

00:54:20  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7446: Feature: Show coverage area for existing stations and towns https://git.io/fjksj

00:57:24  <Samu> nullptr?

00:57:40  <Samu> what about NULL? is it gone?

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00:58:21  <drac_boy> hi there

00:58:31  <peter1138> NULL still works but don't use it.

00:58:47  <peter1138> RIP NULL

00:59:09  <Samu> hmm ok

00:59:29  <peter1138> I believe it's still there for 3rdparty code.

01:00:09  <Samu> LZMA is 3rd party?

01:00:15  <Samu> still see it with NULL

01:00:28  <Samu> and settings.h

01:01:43  <peter1138> I guess table/settings.h.preamble was missed

01:01:50  <peter1138> But yes, LZMA is 3rd party.

01:02:26  <peter1138> Hmm, well, do we even include lzma? no.

01:03:42  <Samu> finding NULL in entire solution

01:03:50  <peter1138> It's in the settings files still.

01:03:54  <peter1138> But no biggie.

01:04:48  <Samu> 1461 matching lines

01:05:44  <Samu> sqapi

01:05:47  <milek7> various arrays in saveload code were column aligned with spaces, now they aren't ;P

01:06:07  <Samu> those .obm files

01:06:18  <peter1138> That was mostly broken when I did the SLV_ stuff.

01:10:12  <Samu> settings.ini has a NULL

01:10:25  <Samu> company_settings.ini too

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01:10:49  <Samu> many of the ini files

01:11:45  <Samu> too many STR_NULL

01:11:53  <Samu> false matches

01:13:12  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7486: Fix: AI/GS settings with the flag SCRIPTCONFIG_RANDOM could be altered after loading from a savegame. https://git.io/fjtsp

01:13:31  <peter1138> Oh, you weren't excluding anything like CONDNULL or STR_NULL? :p

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01:22:29  <Samu> what's the advantage of nullptr? better performance?

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01:36:47  <drac_boy> samu migth be the wrong type but this helps still? https://embeddedartistry.com/blog/2017/2/28/migrating-from-c-to-c-null-vs-nullptr

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01:45:12  <Samu> so it's just to avoid errors

01:45:23  <Samu> meh

01:45:25  <Samu> k

01:46:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7424: Add: Kdtree for AirportGetNearestTown https://git.io/fjU1d

01:58:58  <drac_boy> anyway I'm off for tonight so have fun with pointers samu :)

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01:59:05  <Samu> tc

02:04:59  <Samu> ugh, the reload ai feature is bugged t.t

02:06:10  <Samu> nice that nullptr forced me to test

02:06:19  <Samu> it would go unnoticed

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02:17:02  <Samu> glx, looks like I found the reason why this line is after DC_EXEC https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7376/files#diff-a642ac2d124f2c9d89c466a024a6a47eR887

02:17:26  <Samu> the company is still alive

02:17:46  <Samu> network delays the command

02:18:38  <Samu> the previous command that was told to bankrupt the company has yet to be executed

02:21:41  <Samu> at least it's what I think

02:21:46  <Samu> still investigating

02:22:24  <Samu> yep, this is still in the same tick

02:22:41  <Samu> the bankrupt command is still in the queue

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02:39:35  <Samu> i edited the comment to indicate this

02:41:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7376: More than max_no_competitors could be created in network games https://git.io/fjvY8

02:56:55  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7193: Fix #6468: Load correct version of AI as specified during the time of its save. https://git.io/fhHI1

03:00:28  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7190: Fix #7188: AI instance crash when reloading AI in a server. https://git.io/fh9jW

03:03:46  <Samu> ugh

03:04:00  <Samu> editing on github website broke it

03:06:45  <rubenwardy> you shouldn't edit on the github website, that's not how you git :P

03:08:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7190: Fix #7188: AI instance crash when reloading AI in a server. https://git.io/fh9jW

03:14:19  <Samu> visual studio decided to hang in the middle of a rebase.. great!

03:21:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7104: Fix #5405: Aircraft could route to depots outside their range https://git.io/fhKsL

03:29:46  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7094: Fix #7088: Retrieve an appropriate name for a non-existant AI/GS when displaying a textfile https://git.io/fhrqY

03:34:12  <Samu> why did this fail? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7486/checks?check_run_id=98495762

03:39:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7094: Fix #7088: Retrieve an appropriate name for a non-existant AI/GS when displaying a textfile https://git.io/fhrqY

03:52:03  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ

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08:31:57  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #6811: Feature: Add NotRoadTypes (NRT)  https://git.io/vhlfg

08:35:20  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #7493: Fix: Creating a cargo subsidy with a town as source was not considering min population. https://git.io/fjquC

08:35:48  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7493: Fix: Creating a cargo subsidy with a town as source was not considering min population. https://git.io/fjqeT

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08:44:30  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #7498: Change: Consider any cargo with passenger town effect for passenger-type subsidies. https://git.io/fjquE

08:46:55  <andythenorth> moin

08:47:25  <andythenorth> very town

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09:19:43  <peter1138> o_O

09:19:58  <Xaroth> Well then

09:20:32  <peter1138> You should have a C/C++ dev env on your main machine :p

09:20:39  <peter1138> VS is easy to install these days ;)

09:21:32  <Xaroth> meh, effort

09:21:39  <Xaroth> I'll just grab a vps and install it there

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10:10:20  <peter1138> Xaroth, or provide me with everything to test it myself.

10:10:32  <peter1138> Your instructions assume I have any idea how to access the API :p

10:15:22  <Xaroth> git clone https://github.com/Xaroth/libottdadmin2.git ; cd libottdadmin2 ; git checkout rework-wip ; python3 examples/syncio_custom_client.py --host <ip> --password <admin_password>  . It then starts chugging out log messages on the packets it receives. then reproduce in the client.  But I have a save ready, so I'll just have my vps compile and loa

10:15:22  <Xaroth> d that, should not take me long.

10:22:47  <peter1138> Ok

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10:27:30  <Xaroth> everything's compiled, running some tests

10:27:34  <Xaroth> will let you know

10:35:56  <Xaroth> DEBUG:__main__.Client:Packet received: ServerCompanyUpdate(company_id=1, name='Chedston Transport', manager='P. Bloggs', colour=8, passworded=False, bankruptcy_counter=1, shareholders=[255, 255, 255, 255])

10:35:58  <Xaroth> seems to work

10:36:19  <Xaroth> will wait until the company gets removed.

10:39:18  <Xaroth> DEBUG:__main__.Client:Packet received: ServerCompanyUpdate(company_id=1, name='Chedston Transport', manager='P. Bloggs', colour=8, passworded=False, bankruptcy_counter=2, shareholders=[255, 255, 255, 255])

10:39:20  <Xaroth> so far so good

10:52:08  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Xaroth commented on pull request #7492: Fix #7491: Send company update admin message when bankruptcy counter changes. https://git.io/fjqgP

10:52:27  <Xaroth> Test results recorded, peter1138. lgtm.

11:03:29  <peter1138> It's right that there's no update, correct?

11:03:35  <peter1138> As the company is... gone.

11:03:57  <peter1138> Or should it?

11:05:18  <Xaroth> correct

11:05:21  <Xaroth> there's no update needed

11:05:33  <Xaroth> There's no 'change' in the bankrupcy counter, the company just expires

11:05:41  <Xaroth> so it would not make sense to send an update, to then remove the company

11:08:50  <Xaroth> One could argue about the Economy update, but with it being sent just prior to removal means you have information on how the company performed on the moment of removal

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11:30:13  <peter1138> I guess Economy is periodic rather than every time it changes, otherwise you'd be spammed.

11:30:26  <peter1138> So that makes sense to be sent just before going tits up.

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11:37:22  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq2l

11:39:31  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN requested changes for pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq2B

11:39:59  <peter1138> Started that review a while ago but had a meeting in between.

12:18:36  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on issue #6908: Request: Persistent storage for vehicles https://git.io/fjqa3

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12:26:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7467: Codechange: Replace duplicated code with TileArea::Expand() https://git.io/fjLmR

12:27:47  <peter1138> m3henry, is there any way to make use of NULLs in the main codebase throw a warning/error?

12:28:01  <peter1138> m3henry, rebasing is getting awkward :-)

12:28:27  <m3henry> Define NULL in stdafx.h to something that doesn't compile?

12:29:09  <peter1138> I mean... shouldn't it be in the repo then?

12:31:10  <m3henry> Well there's one legitimate usage in src/video/win***.cpp

12:31:24  <m3henry> because Microsoft hurr :,v

12:31:31  <peter1138> nullptr doesn't work there?

12:31:54  <peter1138> There's still NULLs within the cocoa driver too.

12:32:03  <m3henry> Yeah, hIMC is a void*, but nullptr is rejected by msvc

12:32:03  <peter1138> And the settings stuff.

12:32:46  <m3henry> 3rd party fils were untouched

12:33:05  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7464: Fix: Industry coverage area is no longer rectangular. https://git.io/fjIo3

12:33:16  <peter1138> Yes. cocoa driver and settings is not 3rdparty though.

12:33:58  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] pirogronian commented on issue #7247: With lots of vehicles, PerformanceAccumulator has a large performance impact itself https://git.io/fjqa2

12:34:19  <m3henry> hmm, I did sed -e 's/\bNULL\b/nullptr/g', that should have got everything

12:36:40  <peter1138> I can fix it :)

12:36:50  <peter1138> Did too much got a couple of STR_nullptr :)

12:38:17  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #7247: With lots of vehicles, PerformanceAccumulator has a large performance impact itself https://git.io/fjqar

12:45:21  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] pirogronian commented on issue #7247: With lots of vehicles, PerformanceAccumulator has a large performance impact itself https://git.io/fjqay

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13:13:01  <LordAro> perhaps the performance stuff should be stubbed out for release builds

13:14:06  <milek7> i think performance of it is independent of current_clocksource

13:14:17  <milek7> clock_gettime should use vDSO to read time

13:17:08  <milek7> using ottd_rdtsc if available could be faster

13:17:40  <andythenorth> Pikka bob I liked Pineapple trains :P

13:17:57  <andythenorth> I never used them because $reasons, but I looked at the blog post pictures a fair bit

13:18:01  <andythenorth> directly inspired Horse

13:18:01  <Pikka> pineapple trains is silly

13:18:12  <Pikka> seperate sprites for every CC, I mean what?

13:18:13  <andythenorth> everything is silly

13:18:44  <peter1138> 2100 is not really a lot :/

13:19:11  <peter1138> milek7, rdtsc doesn't measure real time though.

13:20:14  <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> seperate sprites for every CC, I mean what? <- must be a real idiot who had that idea...

13:20:26  <peter1138> Yup./

13:20:30  <Pikka> definitely

13:20:35  <peter1138> It'll break my more-cc patch

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13:20:40  <peter1138> And my RGB-CC patch.

13:20:51  <peter1138> I think rgb-cc wins over more-cc, mind you.

13:21:17  <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/rgbcc1.png < it has rainbows, after all.

13:21:27  <Pikka> will it break it? or will it just mean everyone gets the dark blue trains and they don't cc? :)

13:21:51  <peter1138> If the separate sprites also have CC masks, that'll work.

13:21:53  <andythenorth> nyan

13:22:25  <Pikka> if the separate sprites had cc masks, I wouldn't have made them separate sprites :)

13:22:30  <peter1138> Quite.

13:23:01  <andythenorth> when are we doing liveries?

13:23:23  <andythenorth> Horse 2.0 is dangerously close to done, and liveries mean I could stop and rebuild it

13:23:25  <peter1138> Hmm, I should rebase RGB-CC.

13:23:27  <peter1138> And then...

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13:23:32  <andythenorth> liveries!

13:23:35  <peter1138> Make the new blitters work with it.

13:25:19  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #7499: Codechange: NULL -> nullptr in settings files. https://git.io/fjqVX

13:25:43  <peter1138> andythenorth, so variants?

13:30:24  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7499: Codechange: NULL -> nullptr in settings files. https://git.io/fjqVy

13:31:24  <peter1138> Not even passed CI ;)

13:31:34  <peter1138> So lunch time yes?

13:31:45  <LordAro> yup

13:31:47  <andythenorth> so variants peter1138

13:31:57  <andythenorth> I had a terrible idea which Eddi|zuHause will forbid :P

13:32:26  <andythenorth> if the right bit was set, we could permit cycling the variants on existing vehicles in depot using ctrl-click :P

13:32:44  <peter1138> Not just Eddi|zuHause.

13:33:27  <peter1138> Anyway, I thought variants are more for same-engine-but-slightly-different-spec, rather than just a new paint job.

13:33:39  <milek7> 0.28x, without performanceaccumulator it increased to 0.30x

13:33:49  <peter1138> milek7, that's barely anything.

13:34:32  <peter1138> Is that with the savegame I linked in the issue?

13:34:51  <milek7> yes

13:34:59  <peter1138> I had a 50% performance increase.

13:35:46  <peter1138> 0.24x -> 0.36x

13:35:50  <peter1138> Hmm, still looks small there :-)

13:36:22  <peter1138> Anyway, there is a "fix" but it requires reordering vehicle ticks, and apparently is *slower* for some people :/

13:37:08  <peter1138> #7248

13:37:24  <peter1138> Did you test with that, or just removing the accumulator?

13:37:52  <milek7> removing accumulator

13:42:32  <milek7> oh

13:42:45  <milek7> 0.19x with that patch

13:45:09  <peter1138> So slower for you.

13:45:55  <andythenorth> peter1138: yes, variants are for that

13:46:04  <andythenorth> I am just being a dick because liveries keep coming up

13:46:15  <andythenorth> they're in a recent 'we broke it' GH issue

13:46:28  <peter1138> They're fixed now :p

13:46:35  <andythenorth> there's a RUKTS release, which is a nice set, but afaict just doesn't actually work, because livery subtypes

13:46:53  <andythenorth> and apparently the massive (and nice graphics) foamer Czech set is all magic cargos for liveries

13:47:01  <peter1138> Yeah

13:47:17  <andythenorth> it's pretty much understood that adding magic cargos for liveries is The Thing To Do

13:47:18  <peter1138> It seems that cargo types don't dynamically allocate IDs.

13:47:30  <andythenorth> they don't

13:47:41  <andythenorth> this causes some interesting effects

13:47:46  <peter1138> MISunderstood. Be careful what you write, because some people take it as gospel.

13:48:07  <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/firs/blob/master/src/economies/steeltown.py

13:48:34  <peter1138> It was not really intended to mix & match cargo types.

13:48:41  <peter1138> ECS is special cause it's all one thing.

13:49:33  <andythenorth> well we can sort out the livery shenanigan mess with variants

13:49:47  <andythenorth> I have a whole other set of whining about towns and town cargos :P

13:49:50  <andythenorth> that will keep

13:50:05  <milek7> hm, clocksource could affect if vDSO is in use

13:50:22  <peter1138> Temporarily they can fix that GRF order shit by using an unused cargo ID.

13:50:27  <milek7> and hyperv one like it doesn't https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/8c2ffd9174779014c3fe1f96d9dc3641d9175f00/arch/x86/hyperv/hv_init.c#L55

13:50:35  <peter1138> There's 64 of them, should be simple enough...

13:50:38  <andythenorth> they could all use 64 :P

13:50:39  <milek7> https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2017/03/08/system-calls-are-much-slower-on-ec2/

13:50:42  <andythenorth> I promise to not use it

13:51:07  <peter1138> I guess variants can be used for liveries.

13:51:11  <milek7> so this is likely cause of slowdown

13:51:19  <peter1138> Maybe some flag for costs?

13:51:29  <peter1138> I dunno

13:51:59  <andythenorth> variants seem pretty straightforward to me

13:52:33  <andythenorth> just encapsulate vehicles in a group, decide which one is default, let author decide rest

13:52:37  <milek7> you could check with

13:52:41  <milek7> echo tsc | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource

13:52:52  <peter1138> I know what my time source is.

13:53:16  <peter1138> I'm not concerned about my performance loss, but if regular users _without_ weird setups have performance issues, that needs to be looked into.

13:53:24  <peter1138> But it might not be the issue.

13:53:55  <peter1138> Peparamis are tiny these days :/

13:54:25  <Eddi|zuHause>  <peter1138> Temporarily they can fix that GRF order shit by using an unused cargo ID <-- GRM for cargos?

13:54:38  <andythenorth> ouch

13:54:38  <peter1138> Does it exist?

13:54:40  <peter1138> Probably does.

13:54:51  <Eddi|zuHause> i once understood how GRM worked

13:54:58  <Eddi|zuHause> that was over 5 years ago

13:54:59  <peter1138> Nobody ever did that.

13:57:04  <peter1138> I know how it works, it's just not very nice :-)

13:57:21  <peter1138> But changing cargo types to be dynamic would probably break everything.

13:58:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it's just another translation layer?

13:58:28  <milek7> i meant to try forcing clocksource to tsc and test with that

13:59:01  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, but if it changes the behaviour of allocation to something unexpected...

13:59:08  <peter1138> milek7, well I can't right now :p

13:59:17  <Eddi|zuHause> "echo tsc | sudo tee" <-- what's that weird construct for? wouldn't "sudo echo" suffice?

13:59:29  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, no

13:59:32  <milek7> it would run echo as root as pipe would be still as user

13:59:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i do these things in a root shel... :/

14:00:28  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #7491: Bankrupcy counter update does not trigger company update admin message https://git.io/fjt1T

14:00:29  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7492: Fix #7491: Send company update admin message when bankruptcy counter changes. https://git.io/fjtD6

14:00:58  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7499: Codechange: NULL -> nullptr in settings files. https://git.io/fjqVX

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14:10:43  <Artea> hello

14:10:48  <Artea> I have an issue

14:11:50  <Artea> Im using Dedicated Server and changed the engine_renew and seems still not working

14:12:33  <Artea> using OTTD 1.9.1

14:12:43  <peter1138> Where did you change it?

14:13:07  <Artea> in dedicated server

14:13:53  <peter1138> engine_renew is an odd one. It's actually per-company, so you don't change it on the server.

14:14:11  <peter1138> You can change the setting from a regular client connected as a company.

14:14:29  <peter1138> This is a UX fail :-)

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14:16:07  <Artea> so is bugged when activated in dedicated server ?

14:16:38  <peter1138> It's not bugged, it's NOT a global setting.

14:16:46  <Artea> hmmm

14:17:04  <Artea> so how can I fix it ? shutdown the server and start again ?

14:17:06  <peter1138> No.

14:17:20  <Eddi|zuHause> every player must set it for themselves

14:17:24  <peter1138> Change the setting from the company you with to enable autorenew for.

14:17:27  <peter1138> Yeah

14:18:04  <Artea> its set on client ingame

14:18:30  <Artea> but still notifications about old vehicles

14:18:40  <Artea> I dont understand what Im doing wrong

14:21:06  <peter1138> Got enough money?

14:21:23  <peter1138> And are they able to reach depots?

14:22:43  <Artea> yes, tons of money and its delivering the cargo

14:22:49  <Artea> yes

14:22:54  <Artea> everything seems ok

14:23:46  <peter1138> Is the engine still available to purchase?

14:24:15  <Artea> yes

14:24:34  <peter1138> Ok, then I don't know. Maybe you have a savegame or something :p

14:24:54  <Artea> is running from dedicated server

14:25:01  <peter1138> And?

14:25:20  <Artea> nevermind, forgot the client

14:25:26  <Artea> but can u join try to join ?

14:25:31  <peter1138> What version is it?

14:25:44  <Artea> 1.9.1

14:25:58  <peter1138> Well, actually, I can't now.

14:27:01  <Artea> ok

14:27:04  <Artea> Thanks anyway

14:43:24  <Artea> notice now

14:43:30  <Artea> than when we do auto-replacement

14:43:48  <Artea> nevermind

14:46:43  <milek7>  Message: Assertion failed at line 213 of /root/OpenTTD/src/core/kdtree.hpp: next != INVALID_NODE

14:46:57  <milek7> this is already known?

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14:48:38  <LordAro> yeah

14:48:57  <LordAro> #7481

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15:35:14  <Samu> hi

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15:49:55  <peter1138> Hello.

16:01:46  <LordAro> is it?

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16:06:01  <peter1138> IS IT?

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16:06:20  <peter1138> IS IT!?

16:06:42  <Samu> oh more conflicts :(

16:06:53  <peter1138> Wut no

16:06:56  <planetmaker> it is :P

16:10:46  <nielsm> any opinions on 4 vs 5 lines? -- https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1062071/55901554-d57ffe00-5bc9-11e9-9cf1-00dfa21a61e1.png  vs  https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1062071/54077397-d9adb880-42b7-11e9-8606-d5a391d84bbf.png

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16:11:15  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] auge8472 opened pull request #79: Fix: make the size of the fast-download-header content aware https://git.io/fjqK7

16:12:03  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] auge8472 commented on issue #77: Download links in header too long https://git.io/fjqKb

16:14:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro commented on pull request #79: Fix: make the size of the fast-download-header content aware https://git.io/fjqKN

16:15:39  <LordAro> nielsm: is "as many can fit" not an option?

16:15:50  <nielsm> ?

16:16:02  <LordAro> i.e. fit as many as it can on a line

16:16:12  <LordAro> NBSP could make that work

16:16:26  <nielsm> not really no, since the window sizes based on the width of the longest line

16:16:53  <LordAro> but the window is resizable?

16:16:57  <Samu> what is efficiency? hard to tell by just reading it

16:17:12  <nielsm> only for trains, and that just changes how many cars are shown in the lower part

16:17:25  <LordAro> oh right

16:17:30  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] auge8472 commented on pull request #79: Fix: make the size of the fast-download-header content aware https://git.io/fjq6f

16:17:43  <nielsm> or well, it does also size for other vehicles but the additional space is useless

16:17:52  <Samu> is it usage %?

16:17:57  <Samu> like usage %?

16:18:00  <nielsm> I guess I'll keep it on one line for now

16:18:14  <LordAro> nielsm: in which case, 5 certainly looks less cramped

16:18:53  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #7376: More than max_no_competitors could be created in network games https://git.io/fjvY8

16:19:01  <nielsm> Samu: delivered cargo*distance over capacity*distance

16:19:15  <nielsm> read the description in https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7353

16:20:43  <nielsm> the trick is that distance in numerator and distance in denominator are different distances, the delivered distance is manhattan distance from pickup to dropoff, while capcity distance is actual path traveled distance

16:22:02  <Samu> is it checked every tile

16:22:16  <Samu> interesting

16:22:22  <Samu> need to check how you did that

16:22:32  <nielsm> yes it counts up as long as the vehicle is moving, or sitting idle

16:23:10  <planetmaker> nielsm, 5 lines looks slightly better to me

16:23:28  <nielsm> ok I'll keep 5 lines then

16:23:43  <nielsm> it just looks strange since it's been 4 lines since always :)

16:23:57  <Artea> I use 3 lines in station

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16:25:44  <nielsm> ._. editing english.txt

16:25:53  <Artea> 3 tiles, I mean

16:26:55  <Samu> i had a patch counting travelling tiles

16:27:04  <Samu> for aircraft, which got rejected

16:27:37  <Samu> Travel(x, y) i see

16:29:17  <nielsm> then what about the vehicle lists... https://0x0.st/zZFU.png

16:29:27  <nielsm> single line or make them all taller? or somehow dynamic?

16:29:32  <nielsm> (yes you can sort by efficiency)

16:29:51  <Samu> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/43006711/53689655-57bb0e00-3d52-11e9-96d3-4a2db738d7d4.png

16:32:22  <peter1138> nielsm, more importantly, group efficiency? :)

16:32:29  <Samu> it would start counting since takeoff

16:32:36  <Samu> would reset every landing

16:33:27  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fjq6u

16:34:41  <Samu> 255/256 will never round up

16:34:48  <Samu> 100% not possible?

16:35:24  <Samu> nvm

16:36:05  <nielsm> added a todo list to the PR

16:38:00  <peter1138> That's a useful feature.

16:39:31  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] auge8472 updated pull request #79: Fix: make the size of the fast-download-header content aware https://git.io/fjqK7

16:44:39  <LordAro> Samu: integer division always truncates (or, rounds down)

16:47:29  <Artea> is Goal awards going be an internal feature ?

16:50:25  <Samu> nop

16:51:19  <Samu> it's a game script i think

16:53:22  <Artea> yes

16:53:28  <Artea> Bee Rewards

16:53:58  <Artea> just wanna know if is going be OTTD internal feature

16:54:15  <nielsm> it's not

16:54:22  <Artea> it sux

16:54:36  <Artea> because cannot use 2 game scripts at same time

16:55:10  <peter1138> Well, you can combine them...

16:56:43  <Samu> that requires coding skills

16:58:23  <peter1138> That does, yes.

17:00:00  <Artea> I have editing skills

17:00:08  <Artea> but afraid to broke the game

17:00:25  <Artea> for now I will stick with Bee Rewards

17:00:42  <Artea> next startup of dedicated server will test the CashDrainGS

17:00:57  <planetmaker> you cannot break the game in principle when just editing a game script. Yet a particular savegame... yes. So do some testing on an uninteresting before you use it

17:01:43  <Artea> yes, I have to check the game scripts

17:07:44  <milek7> swapped R and B? https://i.imgur.com/KCtyGKe.png

17:07:55  <Samu> I'm listening to pseudo-björk https://youtu.be/CiNsgYatuco

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17:11:21  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fjqi2

17:24:09  <peter1138> milek7, beautiful.

17:24:45  <peter1138> Samu, just listen to Björk.

17:26:00  <peter1138> Samu, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhzgNnTt59Y

17:36:46  <Samu> ah

17:36:55  <Samu> before bjork was bjork?

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17:42:29  <Artea> Samu: start a company :P

17:42:56  <Artea> dont know how to send money from company to another ? :S

17:43:13  <Samu> k

17:44:53  <Samu> oh, inflation is on

17:45:08  <Artea> yeah

17:45:20  <Artea> testing inflation in long gameplay

17:48:05  <Samu> wow it's been 8 years already... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiY-bYomoI

17:48:09  <Samu> omg time flies

17:59:05  <nielsm> oh hey my new 4k display arrived, time to install it

18:00:50  <Artea> OTTD in 4k ? :o

18:01:14  <Artea> would be nice :)

18:01:21  <Samu> enjoy the lag

18:02:13  <Samu> start a 4k map, fully zoom out, full screen

18:02:26  <Samu> if you get more than 1 fps, you'rel ucky

18:02:52  <Artea> :(

18:03:17  <Samu> I meant nielsm

18:08:05  <Samu> peter1138,  Kerli - Love is Dead vs Björk - All is Full of Love

18:08:16  <Samu> discuss :o

18:19:36  <Samu> yeah i still prefer björk anyway

18:20:57  <Samu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhu2G-207Ko heh

18:21:03  <Samu> Estonia vs Iceland

18:21:30  <Samu> so they both promote their own origins

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18:24:58  <Samu> (safe for work, probably)

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18:45:23  <Samu> incoming björk moment in 10 seconds https://youtu.be/wXMeZwO2qZ0?t=147

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18:45:39  <Samu> I'm too distractful today, I see

18:46:12  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fhho4

18:57:13  <Samu> bee rewards don't account for inflation

18:57:24  <Samu> those rewards are too tiny

18:58:37  <Artea> yeah

18:58:43  <Artea> only works in first 10 years

18:59:04  <Artea> I mean, first decades of the game

18:59:23  <Artea> that's why I asked if would be a feature

19:00:01  <Artea> the local and global goals

19:00:12  <Artea> that is something new to me

19:00:41  <Artea> didnt played OTTD for 2 years and some and was an older version because I was using Win2000 at the time

19:02:31  <planetmaker> it probably was designed to be played in games w/o inflation

19:02:44  <planetmaker> you can turn off inflation

19:03:22  <Artea> in middle of game ?

19:03:30  <Artea> I'm using dedicated server

19:03:41  <Artea> to check stuff in long gameplay

19:03:47  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can turn off inflation, but it won't undo the inflation that already happened

19:04:15  <Artea> yeah

19:04:32  <Artea> is awkward inflation in my game now

19:04:49  <Artea> even I broke the AIAI

19:05:00  <Artea> had to send a mail to owner of ai

19:10:40  <planetmaker> use of the forums thread usually is better

19:11:06  <Artea> I dont remember my login

19:11:13  <Artea> had to try that first

19:11:25  <Artea> can u check the my server, planetmaker ?

19:11:58  <Artea> I really need an opinion of how the game is going

19:12:25  <Artea> feels awkward to me, hardcore to someone to join now

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19:12:49  <peter1138> nielsm, 4K? Now I'm jelly :(

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19:14:58  <Wolf01> o/

19:16:16  <nielsm> peter1138: please stay solid, can't have you wobble too much

19:20:22  <Artea> hmmm

19:20:36  <Artea> replace dont allow same vehicles

19:20:52  <peter1138> Nope, that's what... autorenew... is for ;)

19:21:01  <peter1138> Oh yes, I'm home now.

19:21:04  <Artea> it sux

19:21:20  <Artea> because most of vehicles is from ais

19:21:29  <peter1138> Hmm?

19:21:42  <Artea> I bought at least 2 AIs companies

19:21:57  <Artea> Im getting spammed alot about old and very old vehicles

19:22:13  <peter1138> Go on then, tell me what server you're on.

19:22:20  <Artea> mine

19:22:37  <peter1138> Jeez

19:22:38  <Artea> let me get u the address

19:22:47  <peter1138> Just need the name :p

19:22:49  <Artea> 84.91.140.29:13979

19:22:53  <peter1138> "portugal artea" i guess

19:22:57  <Artea> yes

19:24:38  <peter1138> Connection lost.

19:25:11  <Artea> Client #62 is dropped because it took longer than 2500 ticks to join

19:25:12  <Artea> :(

19:25:39  <Artea> I dont know the right numbers for ticks neither

19:26:25  <Artea> Thanks for trying

19:27:00  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ

19:31:07  <Artea> peter1138: can u try again ? I changed the settings of ticks

19:31:37  <peter1138> The upstream bandwidth is pretty low, heh.

19:31:48  <Artea> a little

19:33:04  <peter1138> Pause on join would probably help

19:36:13  <Artea> that would take too long ingame

19:36:26  <peter1138> Swings and roundabouts

19:40:35  <planetmaker> Artea, pause-on-join... is especially good for servers (or clients) with low bandwidth. What do you need checking with?

19:41:27  <planetmaker> (and what version?)

19:42:40  <Artea> Thanks

19:42:49  <Artea> 1.9.1

19:42:56  <Artea> testing long gameplay

19:43:05  <planetmaker> in what way testing it?

19:43:09  <Artea> and how inflation works on 1 century

19:43:16  <Artea> or 2

19:43:22  <planetmaker> you want me to play a century long?

19:43:29  <Artea> no

19:43:31  <Artea> lol

19:43:37  <Artea> but server will

19:43:38  <peter1138> realtime :D

19:43:44  <planetmaker> ^^^ :D

19:43:52  <Artea> Thanks peter1138

19:44:04  <Artea> awkward command in console

19:45:07  <planetmaker> seeing the download speed or progress... I guess I'll be kicked before it's finished

19:45:14  <Artea> nah

19:45:18  <Artea> I changed the ticks

19:45:58  <peter1138> I do agree that that is a UX fail.

19:46:19  <peter1138> But if you'd done as I asked a few hours ago... ;)

19:46:22  <planetmaker> what?

19:46:50  <Artea> engine_renew in console

19:47:14  <Artea> I know, sorry peter

19:47:27  <Artea> I barely go to settings

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20:02:58  <peter1138> `/win 36

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20:08:30  <planetmaker> hm, we have some funky cache problem: I joined a company and looked around. Got zillions of messages of old vehicles etc.

20:08:41  <planetmaker> I left the company and made a new one. And still get messages for vehicles of the old company

20:13:59  <nielsm> and now time to tacke issues with UI scaling! https://0x0.st/zNrG.jpg

20:14:06  <nielsm> like that newspaper being too narrow

20:14:44  <nielsm> (it should be the width of the message portion of the status bar)

20:15:33  <nielsm> query boxes also being hilariously narrow https://0x0.st/zNrD.png

20:15:59  <planetmaker> screen estate is precious! :P

20:16:07  <planetmaker> especially for modal dialogues

20:17:17  <planetmaker> and... we definitely should scale the "borrow 10k $(currency)" with inflation

20:17:43  <planetmaker> I should play more often on unusual settings :P

20:23:02  <Artea> :D

20:23:17  <Artea> I'm glad knowing my test server is helping in dev

20:26:39  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i thought we already did that

20:27:03  <Eddi|zuHause> or was that just the starting loan?

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20:27:41  <peter1138> nielsm, just do what andythenorth does and waste that HiDPI display by using pixel doubling...

20:27:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i used that button without ctrl for a long time

20:28:38  <Eddi|zuHause> we need a 1.5x UI scale, 2x is too much

20:32:50  <nielsm> problem is you can't scale the icons by 1.5x

20:34:20  <nielsm> also a funny effect with the dpi scaling manifest we're using: https://0x0.st/zNrh.png

20:34:33  <nielsm> the window decorations are also unscaled

20:34:48  <nielsm> (I'm running 150% scale atm)

20:46:25  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it doesn't seem so. I'm stuck with 20k here. Or ctrl+click = everything

20:46:31  <planetmaker> which is something one has to know :)

20:47:32  <Eddi|zuHause> so the button should be changed to "x% of max loan"?

20:47:39  <Eddi|zuHause> might get rounding issues

20:49:21  <Eddi|zuHause> need to special case if you have less than x% loaned (because the step size increased since you took up the loan) or are less than x% away from max loan (because the max loan just increased)

20:50:26  <nielsm> it should probably rather be every time inflation rate passes n*100 percent (or maybe 50 + n*100 percent) the loan increment changes by £10k

20:51:17  <Eddi|zuHause> that's the same thing, as inflation and max loan are linear? (needs rounding, of course)

20:52:41  <nielsm> yeah loan step follows inflation, but only in increments of £10k

20:53:47  <nielsm> or maybe even some weird trickery with a 10k, 20k, 30k, 50k, 100k, 200k, 300k, 500k, ... series, somehow?

20:54:03  <nielsm> (or to similar effect)

20:59:46  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but still, you need to special case the last step of taking/repaying a loan, because it might not match a full step anymore

21:04:01  <nielsm> loan_size = max(0, loan_size - repay_amount);

21:04:21  <nielsm> loan_size = min(max_loan, loan_size + take_loan_amount);

21:08:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i think you need to separate that for take and repay buttons

21:09:09  <andythenorth> pixel quadrupling!

21:09:15  * peter1138 attempts rebasing.

21:09:22  <andythenorth> peter1138: I run my HDPI display at 4 pixels per pixel

21:09:27  <peter1138> Yes

21:09:31  <andythenorth> and OpenTTD at 2x gui zoom

21:09:33  <peter1138> Because why have all those pixels.

21:09:42  <andythenorth> because my eyes!

21:10:17  <andythenorth> ha ha, I could switch it to 1680x1050 on a 13" screen

21:10:23  <andythenorth> then increase the font size in the OS ;p

21:26:50  <peter1138> Hmm, should I make RGB colours use 7 bits instead of 8 bits?

21:26:56  <nielsm> turns out tracking how long a train is waiting at a red signal is actually a really annoying problem

21:27:26  <peter1138> If I do that then I can pack both 8bpp colour and RGB into the same uint32.

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21:27:34  <nielsm> in part because PBS and block signals are handled entirely different

21:28:06  <nielsm> (when are block and "pre"signals going away?)

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21:33:18  <peter1138> Never :(

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21:39:45  <nielsm> yeah this definitely seems to be counting at double speed when waiting at a block signal compared to a pbs signal

21:40:12  <nielsm> there was a bugfix related to signal waiting times/reversing times recently wasn't there?

21:40:34  <nielsm> anyone care to explain why the block signal causes v->wait_counter to count double? :(

21:46:26  <nielsm> the "mode" parameter to TrainLocoHandler is pretty poorly named

21:49:33  <peter1138> :-)

21:49:40  <peter1138> I was going to say, that's probably why it's doubled :)

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21:53:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fhho4

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22:09:08  <andythenorth> cargodist, what do I do wrong? :(

22:09:20  <peter1138> s/i/e/

22:09:47  <andythenorth> that too

22:10:04  <andythenorth> as first world problems go

22:10:16  <andythenorth> it's really irritating that cdist can't serve two routes from one station

22:10:24  <andythenorth> for the same cargo

22:10:36  <andythenorth> without a latency of up to about 12 months

22:10:49  <peter1138> Should I rewrite #7464 to not depend on #7467?

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22:14:18  <andythenorth> could we have a button on stations, 'force cdist to update'?

22:16:37  <Samu> more conflicts t.t

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22:23:21  <planetmaker> what does the number in front of the (station) rating mean?

22:23:35  <planetmaker> rather cargo rating

22:23:51  <planetmaker> monthly supply... hm

22:24:00  <planetmaker> that changes a lot

22:29:00  <andythenorth> it bounces around every few ticks

22:29:51  <planetmaker> hm, interesting how different it is for the stations

22:30:04  <planetmaker> and interesting how difficult it is to find a RV depot in a town...

22:30:10  <andythenorth> I have never filed an issue for this cdist problem

22:30:20  <andythenorth> I did test a bunch of patches from fonso for it

22:30:25  <andythenorth> but inconclusive

22:30:34  <Samu> wait 885 days

22:30:50  <Samu> something resets or so

22:30:58  <andythenorth> that sounds plausible

22:31:01  <planetmaker> but proper transparency settings help a lot

22:31:37  <andythenorth> planetmaker: don't they :)

22:36:07  <Artea> Samu

22:36:17  <Artea> go waste some money :P

22:37:33  <Samu> sec, i'm rebasing stuff

22:38:36  <Samu> oh, new game?

22:40:31  <Artea> nop

22:41:43  <Samu> made 2 ships on the worst possible coal mine

22:41:45  <Samu> :(

22:42:00  <Artea> :/

22:43:00  <peter1138> Rebased, now to fix the NULLs :D

22:43:15  <peter1138> Oh, not many. Cool.

22:48:48  <Samu> .obm files have NULLs too

22:49:33  <Samu> obm obg obs

23:01:09  <peter1138> No they don't.

23:01:13  <peter1138> They're not soruce code.

23:02:40  <peter1138> Nor source.

23:05:41  <LordAro> there are some inside squirrel_export.{awk,vbs}

23:06:54  <peter1138> I've just done them :-)

23:07:04  <LordAro> :)

23:09:45  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #7500: Codechange: Replace NULL with nullptr in squirrel interface. https://git.io/fjqSa

23:10:41  <LordAro> peter1138: wonder whether it'd be worth replacing res == nullptr with !res ?

23:11:05  <peter1138> It's always been our policy to not treat pointers as boolean.

23:11:13  <LordAro> very good

23:11:58  <planetmaker> hm... conditional order: last year earnings

23:12:09  <planetmaker> not an option currently

23:15:35  <Artea> seems game need more ships

23:15:43  <Artea> 64 km/s is nothing :(

23:15:51  <peter1138> Ships Woo!

23:16:01  <Artea> 112 km/s

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23:16:31  <peter1138> I mean, for a ship, that's actually pretty damn fast.

23:17:03  <Artea> at 300 km/s

23:17:24  <planetmaker> squid... or fish

23:17:24  <peter1138> I had a patch to allow them to go faster but... it was pointless :D

23:17:31  <planetmaker> for ships... that's insane fast

23:17:40  <Artea> to stay at same level as aircraft and maglev trains

23:17:54  <planetmaker> nah...

23:18:41  <Eddi|zuHause> ship speed factor similar to plane speed factor?

23:19:48  <planetmaker> I don't think it's needed... ships are also pretty brain dead. But much slower than planes

23:20:39  <Artea> my Ferry made 2,7M last year

23:20:52  <Artea> not much as the price it was

23:21:17  <Artea> 2 years to pay

23:21:17  <peter1138> So?

23:21:24  <peter1138> That's still a good return :)

23:21:45  <Eddi|zuHause> "608 files changed, 9303 insertions(+), 9581 deletions(-)" <-- how can i make git hide the detailed report on pull?

23:22:03  <peter1138> Don't pull?

23:22:06  <Eddi|zuHause> "src/widget_type.h                           |   4 +-" <-- i don't need to see that

23:22:21  <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't need to see 600 lines of that

23:22:46  <peter1138> git checkout master && git fetch upstream && git reset --hard upstream/master

23:23:01  <peter1138> Or just ignore it. It's not like it matters.

23:23:21  <Eddi|zuHause> surely there must be an option for that

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23:23:23  <peter1138> -q probably

23:23:39  <peter1138> or -n

23:23:45  <peter1138> I recommend looking at the help files.

23:23:56  <peter1138>             Show a diffstat at the end of the merge. The diffstat is also controlled by the configuration option merge.stat.

23:24:02  <peter1138> Maybe? *shrug*

23:24:19  <LordAro> RTFM ;)

23:25:29  <Artea> year 2100

23:25:31  <Artea> :D

23:25:49  <Eddi|zuHause> but that's in the "merge" section... this is a ff pull

23:25:58  <Eddi|zuHause> how am i supposed to know whether that applies?

23:26:56  <LordAro> try it and see?

23:26:56  <LordAro> google also helps :p

23:27:25  <Eddi|zuHause> also it doesn't say what settings i can put in merge.stat... on|off? true|false?

23:29:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i also have no pull to test with

23:30:22  <peter1138> git reset --hard HEAD~5 && git pull ...

23:32:17  <Eddi|zuHause> uhm...  not doing that :p

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23:35:45  <LordAro> switch to master, then do it?

23:38:46  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #7500: Codechange: Replace NULL with nullptr in squirrel interface. https://git.io/fjqSb

23:42:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7500: Codechange: Replace NULL with nullptr in squirrel interface. https://git.io/fjqSa

23:43:17  <Samu> uh oh, more conflicts?

23:43:33  <peter1138> Unlikely.

23:44:28  <Eddi|zuHause> now i have something to test :p

23:44:39  <peter1138> You should learn to git harder ;)

23:44:49  <Samu> i have too many branches :(

23:44:53  <Samu> need to delete some

23:45:14  <peter1138> If you say so.

23:45:54  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq82

23:46:35  <Samu> I don't know what to do about the rejected branches

23:46:44  <Samu> they're pilling up

23:48:40  <LordAro> either delete them, or merge them into a "samu special stuff"

23:48:41  <LordAro> imo

23:49:07  <peter1138> SamuPatchPack?

23:49:13  <Samu> aha

23:49:23  <peter1138> We could have Meaningful Vote 5: Samu-edition.

23:49:37  <peter1138> How many times will Samu submit the same PR...

23:52:40  <Samu> https://github.com/SamuXarick/OpenTTD/branches/yours?page=1

23:52:44  <Samu> 3 pages of branches

23:54:06  <Samu> opf is removed, so i'm gonna delete that

23:58:06  <Samu> deleted 9 branches

23:58:08  <Samu> cool

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23:59:13  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone updated pull request #7497: Feature: Selective demolition tool. https://git.io/fjq82

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