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01:45:45 <Samu> This parameter is a two-byte word, specified in little-endian byte order
01:45:50 <Samu> what does it mean?
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09:34:41 <Wolf01> o/
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12:19:39 <Samu> how do I retrieve the breakdown speed of an aircraft?
12:26:37 <Samu> more specifically aircraft engine
12:26:52 <Samu> while I still don't own a vehicle of that engine type
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12:59:09 <Samu> could we have a keyword filter for savegame file lists?
12:59:16 <Samu> i have tons of saves :(
13:30:16 <Samu> you gave me an excelent idea yesterday LordAro
13:30:29 <Samu> my own customized valuators
13:30:53 <Samu> gonna create another for aircraft speed
13:49:02 <Samu> oh crap, it's already factored in
13:49:58 <Samu> looks like I don't need a custom valuator for aircraft speed, it's already accounted for
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14:33:51 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> Nice, there are some games with good discount, I could buy even those to add more to the indecision roulette <-- doesn't help that now you can run windows games from linux steam, so you have an even bigger set of games to choose from :p
14:34:13 <Wolf01> :)
14:34:26 <Wolf01> I have like... 860 games now
14:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i've avoided getting any random bundles so far
14:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have something around 50 games
14:35:41 <Wolf01> But I can't really find one which is the right one to play now, played a bit men of war:as2, but I'm already bored
14:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> plus all the old games before steam
14:36:17 <Wolf01> Played minecraft and today it gives me motion sickness :S
14:36:59 <Wolf01> Today I feel I would like to play a slow paced intriguing 2D game
14:37:10 <Wolf01> But... which one?
14:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i played a bunch of adventures recently
14:38:14 <Wolf01> Let see what steamdb "I'm feeling lucky" button suggests
14:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Deponia, The Whispered World, Silence, Anna's Quest
14:39:02 <Wolf01> Meh, I need to install some games
14:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then don't click on this free game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/ :p
14:40:00 <Wolf01> Already in my library :P
14:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i made the mistake of clicking on "install"
14:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then it said "50GB to download"
14:41:00 <Wolf01> I uninstalled like 60GB of games this weekend (40 only for shadows of mordor)
14:41:22 <Wolf01> Finished games or games I tried but don't like
14:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> uh, yeah, i think i tried that like 2 times on free weekends, but it was always unplayable
14:42:10 <Wolf01> It seemed nice... but boring after some hours
14:42:36 <Wolf01> Kill orcs, kill orcs' chief, kill more orcs
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14:43:29 <Wolf01> So, steamdb suggested one of those hidden objects
14:44:03 <Wolf01> 2d is 2d, slow paced is... there's no movement at all, intriguing depends on the story
14:46:17 <Wolf01> Bah, steamdb now shows my library as private, when it's chearly not as I was browsing it
14:50:14 <Wolf01> I would play mashinky... if only it had more to play with
14:50:37 <Wolf01> As now, it's like the old TTDlx demo
14:51:12 <Wolf01> (I must say it has a lot of interesting features)
15:00:51 <Wolf01> Any tank game which is not WoT and maybe made after 2004?
15:02:34 <Wolf01> The last one I played was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTanx:_Global_Assault
15:03:07 <nielsm> it's not exactly tanks, but maybe try mechwarrior online if it's still going, at least it's combat in turreted vehicles
15:03:13 <nielsm> team combat*
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15:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really play those tank games
15:06:40 <Wolf01> Eh, there's the online part I don't like much, I could play lost planet 3 if I want mechs, but I HATE the boss battles
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15:19:54 <Wolf01> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1670/Iron_Warriors_T__72_Tank_Command/ I could give it a try
15:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, i can't help you with that genre
15:24:06 <Wolf01> The only problem is: will that start on Win10?
15:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> people demanded steam play (aka wine) for windows to get old XP games to run on win10
15:25:36 <Wolf01> If only XP mode actually worked
15:25:59 <Wolf01> Oh, it works well for other softwares, just not for games
15:26:11 <Wolf01> At all
15:27:11 <Wolf01> Also most of the old games have that odd 2gb ram limit, and you can't start them in any way
15:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i've honestly no clue
15:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't tried playing games under win10 at all
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15:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have experience on low-level device accessing? i have this SSD which doesn't want to mount. if i attach it, it is detected as a drive, and it gets a device name (/dev/sdg), but i cannot read anything off it
15:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried hexdump, but it just locks up
15:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> as in, can't even be "kill -9"ed
15:52:57 <Arveen> tried to DD it with like 10 megabytes of zeros ?
15:53:16 <Arveen> of course this destroys data
15:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see how that could work
15:54:38 <Arveen> well just yesterday I had an 100GB SAS SSD which was unable to write partition information during an ESX installation. After zeroing the first 10 megs it worked
15:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i'm unable to READ
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15:57:00 <Arveen> can SMART values be read from the device ?
15:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to lock up in a similar way
15:58:34 <Arveen> I guess you tried the usual stuff like using another cable/port ?
16:00:41 <Arveen> btw: if smartctl -a freezed you could try hdparm -I as well
16:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> locks up as well
16:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the log i get when attaching the disk https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pjj7o4jnk/hzzobw
16:10:19 <Arveen> is that drive yours or a foreign drive ?
16:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's someone else's drive that i have here
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16:11:45 <Arveen> oh, it's connected via USB ?
16:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an usb-sata connector
16:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i could try hooking up to my internal sata controller
16:13:00 <Arveen> I think i'd try to hook it up directly at a SATA port to see what happens
16:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> probably my computer dying in the process :p
16:13:24 <Arveen> hehe
16:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the (tiny) computer here that the drive is from, but i have no HDMI cable to connect it to a monitor
16:14:08 <Arveen> some time ago i had some issues with an USB disk connected to a USB3 port, USB2 worked fine
16:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i find a VGA cable
16:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's unlikely to be the controller's fault, but it might hide some lowlevel debugging information from me
16:14:56 <Arveen> yes
16:15:22 <Samu> 207, 335
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17:02:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so... i started a rescue system on the other pc. but switching screens all the time is annoying
17:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried starting sshd, which it happily does, but i can't log in because there's no password set
17:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have no clue how to set one
17:03:57 <eirc> passwd
17:06:31 <LordAro> peter1138: you should stop oneupping me
17:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, log from rescue system boot: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pdkw56eme/il1hih
17:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> # hdparm -I /dev/sda
17:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/sda: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error
17:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> smartctl: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pazxy6oik/l5yqrf
17:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (as far as i can see, this is complete nonsense)
17:25:46 <peter1138> I reckon it's probably fucked.
17:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you're leaning quite far out the window there
17:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> next problem is, it's some kind of internal OEM serial number that doesn't seem to be covered by the manufacturer warranty
17:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so to get a replacement i'd have to go over the PC assembler, which i have no clue who that even was, nor do i have any purchase information
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17:42:29 <GroovyNoodle> Hey guys! How do I make my server load a scenario with specific height/width? How do I add it to the config? And what should I put in map_x and map_y to get the measurements I want?
17:42:52 <GroovyNoodle> All scenario files are of course transfered to the computer hosting the server
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17:45:58 <GroovyNoodle> Okay, figured out the map_x/y. But I can't figure out how to load the specific scenario
17:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> map_x/y are ignored when loading a scenario, it already stores its own values for that
17:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> load the scenario the same way you would load a savegame, i think
17:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. with the "-g" command line option, or the "load" command from the console
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17:59:08 <GroovyNoodle> Thank you! It works now :)
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18:05:22 <andythenorth> o/
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18:51:30 <Samu> i'm making up a new distance !
18:51:34 <Samu> function WrightAI::SubLocationDistanceManhattan(t0, t1)
18:51:39 <Samu> lol
18:53:07 <Samu> but I still need to figure out something
18:54:04 <Samu> need to fake the distance on horizontal/vertical, the non-axis
18:58:02 <Samu> the aircraft needs to run through 16 sublocations on a tile while going Axis direction, but only needs to run through 8 sublocations on non-axis
18:58:36 <Samu> on axis, the aircraft goes at full speed, on non-axis it goes at 3/4 speed
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20:22:08 <Samu> I figured how to calculate the real fake distance
20:22:41 <peter1138> real fake?
20:24:54 <Samu> it's something like this https://paste.openttdcoop.org/piwcihsrz
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20:27:12 <Samu> aircraft got a slower speed while going non-axis direction, but the subdistance they got to run on non-axis distance is half of that of an axis distance
20:27:47 <Samu> this returns the real fake distance that the aircraft will run, at least I hope it does
20:28:43 <Samu> axis = 16 sublocations
20:28:53 <Samu> non-axis = 8 sublocations
20:29:24 <Samu> speed at axis = full
20:29:38 <Samu> speed at non-axis = 3/4 of "full"
20:30:12 <Samu> gotta put it to use
20:30:34 <Samu> should be useful to compute the ideal number of aircraft for a route
20:30:54 <Samu> I use this real fake distance instead
20:31:16 <Samu> meh, I'm talking alone :(
20:33:15 <Samu> speaking of real fake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcxdgA90Hk
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21:00:50 <Samu> that return was bad
21:06:03 <Samu> Wormnest: how did you deal with the distances?
21:06:11 <Samu> https://imgur.com/AOYPlZi
21:06:23 <Samu> just noticed distancemanhattan can actually be higher than the aircraft range
21:07:58 <Samu> let me get the tiles coordinates
21:08:06 <Wormnest> Can´t remember exactly but I think I just make a rough guess
21:08:30 <Wormnest> But you can always look up the source of WormAI ;)
21:08:34 <Samu> (89, 29) and (44, 251)
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21:13:37 <Samu> @calc (251-29)-(89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
21:13:37 <DorpsGek> Samu: 402
21:13:46 <Samu> uh? :(
21:14:23 <Samu> seems wrong
21:15:48 <Samu> @calc (251-29-89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
21:15:48 <DorpsGek> Samu: 1788
21:16:08 <Samu> something is wrong grr damn me
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21:25:05 <Samu> @calc (89*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
21:25:05 <DorpsGek> Samu: 1788
21:25:44 <Samu> why am I getting 2844 :(
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21:57:25 <Wolf01> So, what could I play now? I finished the hidden object game before dinner :P
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22:15:15 <peter1138> Minecraft.
22:17:06 <Wolf01> Nah, I have easily motion sickness today, so Im trying to avoid 3D games
22:17:40 <Wolf01> Or at least first person games
22:18:27 <Wolf01> Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? I would like to show a friend how to play
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22:41:26 <Samu> @calc (251-29)-(89-44)
22:41:26 <DorpsGek> Samu: 177
22:41:37 <Samu> @calc (251-29-89-44)
22:41:37 <DorpsGek> Samu: 89
22:43:13 <Samu> @calc 222-45
22:43:13 <DorpsGek> Samu: 177
22:43:21 <Samu> oh really? ....
22:43:39 <Samu> so the mistake I made was here :( code was correct
22:44:13 <Samu> @calc (177*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
22:44:13 <DorpsGek> Samu: 2844
22:44:25 <Samu> there.... 2844
22:44:29 <glx> @calc 251-29-89+44
22:44:29 <DorpsGek> glx: 177
22:44:49 <glx> - and - makes +
22:47:34 <Wolf01> Math...
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23:04:32 <Samu> i think i can change that 48 to 12
23:05:09 <Samu> gives me smaller numbers, and still all without comma
23:09:18 <Samu> can even make it shorter
23:09:33 <Samu> 12/4 = 3, 12/3 = 4
23:10:30 <Samu> return dx > dy ? (dx - dy) * 3 + dy * 4 : (dy - dx) * 3 + dx * 4;
23:17:52 <Samu> @calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
23:17:52 <DorpsGek> Samu: 2844
23:18:57 <Samu> @calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*3 + (89-44)*4
23:18:57 <DorpsGek> Samu: 711
23:23:54 <Samu> @calc ((50-0)-(0-0))*3 + (0-0)*4
23:23:54 <DorpsGek> Samu: 150
23:26:08 <Samu> @calc ((37.5-0)-(37.5-0))*3 + (37.5-0)*4
23:26:08 <DorpsGek> Samu: 150
23:26:18 <Samu> success!
23:28:01 <Samu> fake real distance is the same, no matter if going axis or non-axis, just what I wanted
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23:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? <-- i find that somewhat unlikely
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