IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-08-25
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10:33:36 <TrueBrain_> :o Where is DorpsGek_II hiding! He is such a meany ...
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10:33:45 <TrueBrain> seems he cannot recover from a netsplit :D
10:34:50 <TrueBrain> the problem is, it is because I forgot to add code for it! :( I FEEL SO SAD
10:42:14 <TrueBrain> hmm, so I see everyone in here is as sleepy as I am :) Little actively lately ;)
10:43:35 <Wolf01> What do you expect from saturday morning?
10:43:48 <TrueBrain> I meant an august week :P
10:45:36 <TrueBrain> well, at least DorpsGek_ii should reappear when needed :)
10:46:08 <Wolf01> I'm always here, only I don't have anything to say :P
10:46:20 <TrueBrain> you talk a lot for someone that has nothing to say :D
10:46:49 <Wolf01> I think that the real problem is that I'm literally always here
10:47:04 <TrueBrain> a problem for who? :D
10:47:32 <TrueBrain> yes; don't do IRC over sports :)
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10:48:57 <TrueBrain> talking about addictions, hi andythenorth :D
10:49:00 <Wolf01> Another one which is always here also when on vacation
10:49:35 <TrueBrain> is it me, or is the Minecraft modding scene dying ...
10:50:32 <Wolf01> Maybe, but when I have worldedit, dynmap, and treecapitator/treeassist I'm fine
10:53:13 <TrueBrain> Pfft, OpenTTD is the worst! Even Factorio has copy/pasting!
10:54:38 <TrueBrain> I made andy quit :(
10:55:01 <Wolf01> We tried to bring copy/paste come to OTTD but it wasn't well accepted
10:55:12 <TrueBrain> it ruins the game a bit :D
10:55:43 <Wolf01> Yeah, but sometimes takes out the boring parts
10:55:51 <TrueBrain> right, time to make myself useful this saturday; bb!
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10:58:53 <Wolf01> But still, you aren't enjoying it :P
11:00:53 <andythenorth> I would be if my phone would hold an irc connection :p
11:01:26 <Wolf01> You shouldn't be allowed to have internet :D
11:02:53 <andythenorth> then I really would be bored
11:03:13 <andythenorth> I used to self-imposed ban internet on holiday
11:03:27 <andythenorth> but life is too short for that crap
11:03:54 <Wolf01> 12 days without internet access were the best days of my life :)
11:04:58 <andythenorth> I could do a smelting economy
11:05:07 <andythenorth> call it Mine Craft
11:05:34 <andythenorth> then people can repeatedly tell me it’s Minecraft
11:06:25 <andythenorth> is pizza a valid town cargo?
11:06:59 <andythenorth> do you order a trainload of pizza?
11:07:11 <andythenorth> rebalance all grfs?
11:07:20 <andythenorth> scooters instead of trucks
11:07:21 <Wolf01> Just make a set with pizza delivery scooters
11:08:02 <andythenorth> I miss the days when making grfs was only fun :)
11:08:19 <andythenorth> just draw any old crap and put it in for lolz
11:08:32 <andythenorth> like all of HEQS
11:09:14 <andythenorth> for making grfs serious business
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11:16:48 <andythenorth> Wolf01: eurobricks technic forum is having some kind of MOC meltdown drama :p
11:17:22 <andythenorth> I don’t have my login here so I can’t post :p
11:18:12 <Wolf01> This one? "Difference Between Criticisms"?
11:19:44 <andythenorth> escalates from nothing
11:20:13 <Wolf01> We'll see if leads to a new ban wave
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11:22:26 <Wolf01> BTW I wanted to make a mod to the Claas Xerion back when I purchased it, some guys told me that it won't be anymore a Claas because real ones don't have the mods I wanted to add and I should have changed name and colours
11:22:36 <Wolf01> My reply was "WTF?" and gave up
11:23:42 <andythenorth> fortunately, I was into model trains when I was a kid
11:23:52 <andythenorth> in a club with adult train fans
11:24:11 <andythenorth> so I quickly learnt all variants of the bullshit
11:25:00 <andythenorth> from “it must be super real” to “omg why have you even taken it out of the box, now you have devalued it as a collectable toy”
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11:36:47 <Wolf01> BTW, you look a bit like Sariel :P
11:37:00 <Wolf01> Same talking on different forums
11:38:21 <andythenorth> ios disconnects network connections after 3 minutes, as policy
11:38:40 <andythenorth> so does coop still run a bouncer service?
11:39:14 <Wolf01> I think yes, I've seen some bouncers from cooplately
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11:52:42 <Samu_> i peaked at your wormai code, and wow it's so professional looking
11:52:50 <Samu_> makes my own look like puke
11:53:28 <Alberth> being aware of a problem is the first step :)
11:54:07 <Wormnest> Well I feel honored ;)
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11:57:17 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Try Colloquy, IIRC it manages up to 10 minutes in background (which is a hard iOS limit).
11:57:55 <andythenorth> I use colloquy desktop
11:59:11 <Samu> sorry, my connection dropped
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12:46:56 <Samu> what's the difference between AIVehicleList_Station and AIStationList_Vehicle
12:48:08 <Samu> only now I noticed they were 2
13:08:21 <Alberth> Documentation says "Creates a list of vehicles that have orders to a given station" resp "Creates a list of stations which the vehicle has in its orders"
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13:16:22 <Samu> i wand to create a list of vehicles that have orders to a station
13:16:37 <Samu> that would be AIVehicleList_Station, right?
13:17:40 <Samu> i think i figured it out, i had a problem with counting the number of vehicles, it was because I was giving a tile id and not a station id
13:18:14 <Samu> just testing for confirmation
13:22:02 <Samu> no wonder my min_air_distance was broken
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14:23:13 <Samu> how do I get the monthly supply of a station?
14:23:49 <Samu> i can only check cargo waiting :(
14:24:10 <Samu> cargo planned, cargo from by via... bla bla which doesn't interest me
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15:50:06 <Wolf01> BTW, andythenorth, almost all [MOC] of real vehicle has "it does not resembles the original vehicle" posts
15:59:28 <Samu> i've got a strange helicopter that isn't being sold
15:59:46 <Samu> it's past his max age, and i got code that always sends old vehicles to depots
15:59:53 <Samu> but this helicopter is still flying
15:59:58 <Samu> the code doesn't detect it
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16:02:05 <andythenorth> Wolf01: if only real vehicles were made of ABS beams and panels :p
16:03:24 <andythenorth> so I am designing NARS Horse
16:03:35 <andythenorth> on paper at least
16:04:21 <Wolf01> The only thing I didn't like about Sariel's reply it was some arrogance on showing what is a real liebherr moc, he could have taken an example of the 1060 and compared to the guy's moc like another one really did
16:05:03 <andythenorth> it’s also a really limited definition
16:05:34 <andythenorth> ceci n’est pas un pipe
16:07:11 <Samu> is it because of aircraft crashes?
16:07:32 <Samu> i can't keep track of all crashes
16:07:42 <Samu> some of them have already expired
16:08:02 <Samu> can't get the vehicle id if it expired
16:08:54 <Samu> can only think of a new vehicle getting the id of the old vehicle that crashed while it was being sent to a depot
16:10:05 <andythenorth> NARS nerfs wagon capacity to encourage long trains
16:10:47 <andythenorth> I’m tempted instead to buff capacity to make use of relatively higher HP of NA locomotives
16:11:22 <andythenorth> so TL5 train is 30% heavier than UK Horse train at TL5
16:11:46 <andythenorth> that assumes there is 30% more cargo to move :l
16:13:09 <Samu> i think i know how to solve this...
16:13:45 <andythenorth> also NA Horse is relatively slower
16:14:04 <andythenorth> so capacity-per-tile-per-minute is lower
16:14:10 <Samu> on vehicle purchase, reset sendings to depot stuff
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16:47:46 <Wolf01> Samu, I don't think that's the problem, maybe the problem is on how those vehicles are replaced, try without replacing crashed vehicles and see if the problem persists
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17:09:27 <Samu> but if the vehicle crashes after i've given the order
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18:12:35 <Samu> wow, i got an unexpected assert which was actually helpful
18:17:09 <Samu> it's strange, the adjacentstation code is still failing me
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18:55:15 <Samu> is there an abs in squirrel?
18:55:41 <andythenorth_> irl maximum power of US diesel trains has decreases
18:55:44 <Samu> if x1 - x2 is negative, how do i turn it possitive?
18:56:13 <andythenorth_> this is a problem for progression :p
18:56:51 <andythenorth_> lower power = more reliable, more flexible
18:58:23 <andythenorth_> irl is bad for game design :/
18:59:08 <andythenorth_> ideally technology would evolve every 30 years, with all stats evolving by linear fraction
19:05:53 <andythenorth_> Horse overlaps steam & electric xor diesel & electric
19:06:18 <andythenorth_> but for NARS horse there is also gas turbine for 1 generation :p
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20:22:31 <peter1138> odd, irssi's tab-completion isn't working.
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20:26:32 <peter1138> Hmm, no, turns out my tab key isn't working. Odd.
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20:32:45 <Samu> i'm so bad at this I get an error when trying to display an error message
20:37:44 <Samu> that adjacentstation code is always the culprit
20:38:32 <Samu> assert(AIError.GetLastError() != AIError.ERR_STATION_TOO_SPREAD_OUT);
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21:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> broken keyboard, or terminal eating the keypress somewhere inbetween?
21:46:11 <peter1138> Not working in firefox either. But alt-tab works.
21:46:46 <Wolf01> FBI redirecting your tab key
21:48:33 <peter1138> Hmm, I rebound it but now it doesn't work with FSCloud closed :S
21:48:39 <peter1138> Ah, now it's working.
21:48:59 <peter1138> So apparently one program can stop a keypress reaching everything else :p
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