IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-07-26
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01:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i love people who claim they followed every step of the instruction
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08:14:43 <andythenorth> so FIRS with 16 input / output cargos
08:21:36 <andythenorth> it's not done yet
08:21:54 <andythenorth> unless I missed a memo :P
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09:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> so much for "is it over?"
10:02:50 <LordAro> i like the script tag
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12:51:28 <andythenorth> grump grump grump
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13:30:35 <peter1138> Is it lunch time yet?
13:36:47 <peter1138> Only change is to update the savegame version log to include the PR number
13:41:24 <andythenorth> 64 of everything
13:41:30 <andythenorth> then see what broke
14:04:25 <LordAro> peter1138: that seems like a reasonable thing
14:04:34 <LordAro> it's no worse than including the revision number, after all
14:10:27 <peter1138> Either of you fancy reapproving it? TB had done so but I wanted to get that comment right.
14:21:56 <andythenorth> I probably can't :(
14:22:58 <peter1138> Just a ticky box exercise...
14:23:34 <peter1138> Yeah, just that line.
14:23:46 <peter1138> It didn't have the PR number initially
14:24:23 <peter1138> A separate commit would've been easier to review but then it'd be in the wrong revision. I didn't want to flatten this one.
14:24:46 <andythenorth> eh I thought TB gave me approval rights
14:24:51 <andythenorth> but I can't see an 'approve' button here
14:25:44 <peter1138> Clicked on "Files changed" tab
14:26:08 <peter1138> Then "Review changes" appears, approve is in there.
14:26:33 <peter1138> Feel free to let someone else do it ;)
14:27:12 <peter1138> No, that's my job in a second.
14:28:47 <andythenorth> probs have to fix NRT next
14:28:56 <peter1138> I have a patch for that...
14:28:57 <andythenorth> - fix the infinite payment bug
14:29:00 <andythenorth> - add 64 types :P
14:29:08 <peter1138> Did the 64 types ;)
14:29:17 <andythenorth> think of all the free map bits we have now
14:29:49 <andythenorth> 64 kinds of fence :P
14:30:06 <andythenorth> mumble mumble trees
14:37:29 <peter1138> Might need to wait a bit for RAM for that.
14:39:43 <peter1138> Then you can cherry-pick and push
14:41:46 <andythenorth> dunno if that should be squashed
14:42:09 <peter1138> That's the outdated version o_O
14:42:24 <peter1138> "I should be able to update it easily." "Then you can cherry-pick and push"
14:42:48 <peter1138> You need to undo that
14:43:32 <andythenorth> every time I do this I get slightly less bad at git
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14:44:03 <peter1138> No, I think that was pretty bad.
14:44:23 <andythenorth> yes but now I learnt a new way to back out
14:44:27 <andythenorth> instead of reverting the commit
14:44:43 <andythenorth> usually I just revert, and then get 2 commits
14:44:53 <andythenorth> and then a merge pain later, when the reverted stuff is re-merged
14:45:24 <peter1138> Rewriting history is anathema to how the people who designed git use git. But it's useful ;)
14:45:45 <andythenorth> if I do this at work I'm a get yelled at :D
14:46:00 <peter1138> You can do it in your own local branches though. Nobody will know.
14:46:04 <andythenorth> it's not that we care about history much, but we don't like it being changed under us
14:46:13 <peter1138> We'd never do it in master either.
14:46:38 <SpComb> github protected branches
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16:26:03 <nielsm> allright birds' cage cleaned, time to look at this newgrf stuff again
16:30:16 <andythenorth> one bird or plural bird?
16:49:09 <nielsm> have anyone made a space theme where water is replaced with blackness with occasional shimmering stars? :D
16:49:40 <nielsm> and the land is rocky asteroids
16:50:13 <colde> If nobody has, could they?
16:50:25 <peter1138> Hmm, interesting theme.
16:50:43 <peter1138> The obvious planet/moon surface has been done, but not that, I think.
16:55:12 <nielsm> original starcraft had the space platform theme too
17:05:23 <nielsm> hmm, looking at newgrf specs, I think there is an issue with 64 cargo types here
17:05:40 <nielsm> callback 2A and 2C only use 5 bits per cargo type
17:05:50 <nielsm> with 3 cargoes packed into 16 bits
17:06:16 <nielsm> so only the first 32 cargo indices known by the newgrf can be used for acceptance
17:06:29 <nielsm> or was that fixed in some way?
17:06:47 <nielsm> oh right only used for dynamic acceptance
17:15:07 <peter1138> Also it's an index into a cargo translation table, not the direct cargo index.
17:15:41 <peter1138> I did once have a patch for 32 bit callback responses...
17:16:06 <peter1138> Urgh, not home time yet.
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17:37:57 <nielsm> huh how do I translate a CargoID back to a translation table index
17:42:15 <nielsm> ah there is a GRFFile::cargo_map array
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17:51:57 <peter1138> There should already be functions to do that.
17:59:48 <nielsm> looks like a straight lookup is the way to do it, indspec->grf_prop.grffile->cargo_map[cargo_type]
17:59:55 <nielsm> I see that pattern several places already
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19:14:11 <nielsm> going to smoke test a bit
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19:23:40 <nielsm> the industry chain window becomes ridiculously large with 16 in/out
19:23:53 <nielsm> the sizing logic for it might need some reworking
19:38:24 <LordAro> that one even said hello
19:40:54 <nielsm> I wonder, #tycoon isn't getting any, is it just the size perhaps?
19:42:22 <Wolf01> Maybe they noticed here is full of different animals and came
19:43:53 <LordAro> nielsm: i think this is one of the larger channels on oftc
19:44:03 <LordAro> so it's probably on a list of popular channels or something
19:51:35 <Wolf01> Oh, Eddi|zuHause: I think I found a really plausible reason for the "unread messages" on the phpBB forums, it seem to do it with a high chance when you use the history back instead of the link to the section, it seem to lose the topic you have just read in the section variable
19:53:09 <frosch123> LordAro: it's also in devzone, and that has only 21 animals and zombies
19:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause> huh? if you use back, you likely have a cached version of the page, with the newly-unread messages not counting, obviously. but that doesn't explain cases where you get to the page from elsewhere
19:53:26 <LordAro> frosch123: no idea then
19:56:08 <Wolf01> I should look at the phpBB sources to know what it does with cookies, maybe it's just an inconsistent status with caches and history
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21:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> are we even still close to anything "reasonable" here?
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21:53:23 <frosch123> i migrated various authors to the usual emails
21:53:29 <andythenorth> at first glance looks totally fine
21:54:09 <andythenorth> how did you do it?
21:56:54 <frosch123> i entered the fedora email, and github linked to that guy
21:57:38 <andythenorth> my checkout isn't picking up the 2 stale release branches
21:57:42 <andythenorth> not sure if that's my failure
21:57:45 <andythenorth> probably doesn't matter
21:59:43 <andythenorth> the checkout works and 'make test' passes
22:03:01 <nielsm> okay I think the newgrf spec for 16-in-16-out industries is implemented now :)
22:03:21 <nielsm> smoke testing loading old saves passes
22:03:45 <nielsm> tried with original industries, and versions of FIRS 3, ECS, SPI
22:04:59 <andythenorth> I should test eh
22:05:47 <andythenorth> how to update a local PR branch
22:06:02 <nielsm> easiest is probably to delete and re-fetch it
22:06:06 <nielsm> because I force pushed
22:06:29 <nielsm> since the 64 railtypes PR was accepted and bumped save version, making my changes not merge
22:07:29 <andythenorth> what are the .obg, .obm etc files that creep into my checkout?
22:08:22 <frosch123> incomplete eints scripts :)
22:08:35 <andythenorth> every time I run ./configure, my git is poisoned :)
22:08:51 <nielsm> makefile build updates the translations in the bin/ versions with strings from the lang files
22:08:55 <andythenorth> I'll keep ignoring them
22:09:27 <nielsm> "git checkout bin/*.ob?"
22:09:36 <nielsm> will probably restore them to unchanged state
22:09:45 <andythenorth> I just reset hard
22:09:50 <andythenorth> my favourite git command
22:10:04 <andythenorth> wonder if it will be faster when my quad core arrives
22:10:24 <nielsm> remember to use parallel make, make -j4
22:14:53 <Wolf01> Remember to switch to a proper operating system
22:19:00 <LJ> Wolf01: you mean any OS released in the past 5 years?
22:19:24 <peter1138> Only 4 threads? o_O
22:24:21 <andythenorth> I use -j13 usually :P
22:28:50 <nielsm> anyway, the part I'm most unsure about with the newgrf support for many cargoes is the CB querying for all types in FinaliseIndustriesArray()
22:29:32 <nielsm> but at least it seems to be working for existing newgrfs
22:33:21 <andythenorth> I can't break it so far
22:33:54 <peter1138> I think we did that joke.
22:34:37 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen snail_UES.
22:36:40 <andythenorth> industry directory window will get....wide eh? :)
22:36:46 <andythenorth> with 16 output cargos
22:38:58 <andythenorth> nielsm: definitely 16? o_O
22:39:19 <andythenorth> I don't want to argue it out, just curious if 8 is any better
22:39:40 <nielsm> yeah maybe 8 is enough :P
22:39:42 <frosch123> does the gui change even when industries do not use that many cargos?
22:40:05 <nielsm> the industry chain gui always makes room for the max number
22:40:10 <frosch123> hmm, isn't it possible to first count the number of cargos, and then make it as big as needed
22:40:25 <nielsm> that's also one of my ideas for solving it
22:40:51 <andythenorth> I am +/-0 on 16, I just wonder if it eases the UI issues
22:41:04 <andythenorth> 16 is 'more than enough' unless someone is trolling
22:41:32 <nielsm> I think 8 will be "not quite enough" for some cases
22:41:40 <nielsm> maybe 10 is a better comprimise actually
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22:43:09 <andythenorth> in that case I'd stick to 16
22:43:24 <andythenorth> it's a nice power of 2, and is definitely 'more than enough'
22:43:59 <nielsm> yea I think finding a solution to the GUI problem now is better in the long run
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22:48:18 * andythenorth has some terrible ideas
22:48:28 <andythenorth> not for GUI, but for troll industry grfs
22:49:18 <andythenorth> deliver any of 16 cargos, it's split 16 ways
22:49:29 <andythenorth> returning 15 of the 16 inputs, and one new one
22:49:41 <andythenorth> 16 industry types like that
22:52:44 <frosch123> V would be proud of you
22:53:11 <andythenorth> all cargos are just 'A', 'B' etc
22:53:52 <andythenorth> mostly, I am just going to increase some outputs to 3
22:54:06 <andythenorth> nielsm: yeah that's nicer
22:54:30 <andythenorth> oh it's allowing for 16 columns?
22:55:30 <nielsm> and I can't figure out where it calculates that
22:55:31 <andythenorth> 16 is going to be an ugly fest eh
22:55:50 <nielsm> 16 cargoes only supported on high resolution displays
22:56:35 * andythenorth might have to sleep
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23:07:38 <nielsm> okay it's back to normal!
23:09:54 <nielsm> and that's enough work for tonight
23:18:39 <peter1138> Is that by reverting? :D
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