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12:47:06  <Wolf01> o/

12:47:22  <crem> \o

12:47:27  <Wolf01> Back from lego weekend

12:47:42  <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgAKlhrsZM

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15:34:56  <supermop> yo

15:35:06  <supermop> buy any more rockets Wolf01 ?

15:35:12  <Wolf01> Nope

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17:31:10  <Alberth> o/

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20:24:52  <andythenorth> o/

20:25:21  <ST2> morning :)

20:37:59  <andythenorth> I renamed MNSP http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargos.html#manufacturing_supplies

20:38:03  <andythenorth> no kittens died

20:38:38  <andythenorth> frosch123: ^ could drop the special MNSP handling in cargo flow http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html

20:38:48  <andythenorth> I tried it, makes the charts…worse

20:38:57  <andythenorth> but it’s not a magic cargo in any way

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20:50:09  <andythenorth> with no special handling: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html

20:51:14  <andythenorth> ach seems to not have built

20:53:39  <andythenorth> nah, browser caching

20:54:23  <andythenorth> previous version http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6399-1856/docs/html/economies.html

21:09:32  <andythenorth> not convinced that Extreme is worse :P

21:09:37  <andythenorth> it’s already as bad as can be

21:13:24  * andythenorth wonders if FIRS would be a lot better without Packaging / MNSP

21:20:40  <andythenorth> wow

21:23:13  <Alkel_U3> well, I like MNSP

21:24:07  <Alkel_U3> even so, ultimately I think I'm not able to really answer that question

21:27:29  <frosch123> andythenorth: MNSP is now produced nowhere?

21:28:33  <frosch123> oh, it is also required nowhere

21:33:25  <andythenorth> I pushed an experiment

21:34:09  <andythenorth> 1861 shows MNSP renamed to packaging http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6400-1861/docs/html/economies.html

21:34:18  <andythenorth> and no special-case in flow graphs

21:34:43  <andythenorth> 1862 shows it totally removed http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/v6400-1862/docs/html/economies.html

21:34:51  <andythenorth> which is appealing, but might be a step too far

21:34:57  <andythenorth> MNSP tends to just piss me off in games

21:35:02  <andythenorth> it’s never where you want it

21:35:16  <andythenorth> but if I remove all the constraints...meh

21:35:37  <frosch123> arctic baic has only one industry that needs it?

21:35:53  <andythenorth> yes

21:35:56  <andythenorth> fishing harbour

21:36:08  <andythenorth> the tell here is that food processing plant doesn’t and has never used it

21:37:01  <frosch123> tropic basic may look better, since chemicals does no longer cross the whole chart

21:37:06  <frosch123> otoh food back arrow

21:37:39  <andythenorth> isn’t it :)

21:37:50  <andythenorth> the 1862 version without packaging is much neater

21:38:17  <frosch123> hot country is way worse though

21:38:19  <andythenorth> the history of MNSP cargo is odd

21:38:30  <andythenorth> it was ‘components’ and ‘packaging’ for a while

21:38:33  <andythenorth> then it got combined

21:41:58  * andythenorth ponders

21:43:28  <andythenorth> most of the destinations were food processors

21:43:46  <andythenorth> food chemicals?

21:43:55  <andythenorth> probably more important than packaging in some cases

21:45:04  <frosch123> you already have way too much chemicals

21:46:23  <frosch123> andythenorth: in hot country it seems to be mostly bottles

21:46:30  <frosch123> so packaging is not that bad of a generic therm

21:46:33  <frosch123> -h

21:47:08  <andythenorth> chemicals make the world go round

21:47:17  <andythenorth> especially the halucinogenic ones

21:47:47  <andythenorth> it’s quite nice to look at a lot of industries that only need one input cargo

21:48:14  <andythenorth> dunno, seems like a big change to make without testing eh

21:48:23  <andythenorth> possible regret

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21:50:19  <andythenorth> do we bottle flour?

21:50:39  <frosch123> bottled fish

21:50:48  <frosch123> it's likely still alive

21:54:56  <andythenorth> but the vineyard doesn’t need MNSP

21:55:01  <andythenorth> no bottled wine

21:55:21  <andythenorth> :P

21:55:40  <andythenorth> 🍾

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22:33:24  <andythenorth> hmm

22:33:33  <andythenorth> maybe keep packaging in extreme

22:33:36  <andythenorth> where it’s painful :P

22:38:33  <andythenorth> Fishing Harbour should be Fish Processor

22:38:34  <andythenorth> but eh

22:43:18  <Wolf01> Something fishy here?

22:43:44  <andythenorth> what meat is packed in jars?

22:43:50  <andythenorth> hot dog sausages?

22:43:52  <Wolf01> andythenorth, did you see the video of this lego expo?

22:43:56  <andythenorth> nah

22:43:58  <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgAKlhrsZM

22:45:13  <andythenorth> crazy clock building

22:45:58  <andythenorth> serious technic men in red shirts

22:46:16  <Wolf01> Yeah, those are professional ones :P

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22:59:49  <andythenorth> bed

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