IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-02-04
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11:54:00 <Alberth> feeling hoggy today? :)
11:55:15 <andythenorth> had a feature request
11:59:13 <Alberth> ones you can do? yeah :)
12:00:53 <andythenorth> sieze the chance eh? :)
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12:33:47 * andythenorth learns about circular dependencies
12:34:15 <andythenorth> self.model_life = replacement.intro_date + replacement.model_life :P
12:34:24 <andythenorth> doesn’t scale so well
12:34:40 <andythenorth> not quite circular, but eh
12:38:17 <andythenorth> anyone play with expiring vehicles?
12:38:27 * andythenorth doesn’t, but is adding support for it to Road Hog
12:39:04 <Wolf01> I play with all but disasters
12:39:44 <Alberth> it's not circular indeed
12:39:58 <andythenorth> it’s just some kind of horrible branching
12:39:59 <Alberth> I do play with vehicle expiration on
12:40:21 <andythenorth> feature request was to keep current + previous generation available at all times
12:40:28 <andythenorth> which is trivial code, if a bit ugly :)
12:40:43 <Alberth> current is trivial :p
12:41:59 <Alberth> "all times" seems a bit overstretched
12:42:37 <andythenorth> it wasn’t a demand, just loosely expressed :)
12:42:44 <Alberth> it'd be fine to remove old stuff after you have had enough opportunity to replace
12:43:25 <Alberth> nuts uses 255 year, which basically means I have to hide all old crap manually :p
12:43:48 <Alberth> may or may not be a bad thing :p
12:44:28 <andythenorth> hmm, this version is buggy
12:44:51 <andythenorth> sometimes no model of a specific type (pax tram for example) isn’t available
12:45:52 <Alberth> clearly no demand for public transport in that era :p
12:47:25 <andythenorth> whenever I try to set model life, I encounter regret :)
12:47:32 <andythenorth> it never works reliably
12:48:26 * andythenorth needs to set retire_early prop
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13:33:09 <Wolf01> Just overlapping availability with dates doesn't work?
13:36:17 <Wolf01> I don't like too much stuff on purchase list, specially when I use 3 vehicles over 20 available, and hide the ones I don't use is boring
13:36:48 <Wolf01> I would like more some "keep this vehicle in production" flag :P
13:44:10 <andythenorth> there are shenanigans due randomisation of model life
13:44:19 <andythenorth> openttd adds a random amount
13:44:28 <andythenorth> and for intro dates also
13:44:50 <andythenorth> so it’s a moving target
13:48:01 <Alberth> you change to a new generation for all engines at the same time, so there are a lot of new engines suddenly
13:48:32 <Alberth> while if you change each engine separately, the problem of temporary having 2 similar engines is less worse
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15:14:31 <Alberth> doesn't even provide a TOC
15:15:06 <Wolf01> Oh, there is, but you have to redeem the free ebook on your account first
15:38:55 <Wolf01> Too bad most of the free ebooks are ancient, like the ones or php4 or 5 :/
15:39:10 <Wolf01> At least this is for python 3
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15:47:09 <Alberth> likely it's simpler to read the python tutorial at docs.python.org
15:48:37 <Alberth> lots of the stuff in the book isn't about "mastering object-oriented", it's more "using objects"
15:50:18 <Wolf01> That's why I always wait until something free shows up
15:50:48 <Wolf01> I won't spend 40€ for a book which is worse than a tutorial
15:51:12 <Alberth> serialization doesn't even address versioning, and loading old objects, judging from the TOC
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16:25:11 <Alberth> haven't finished the old one yet :)
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19:38:45 <andythenorth> is it ottd time?
19:41:22 <andythenorth> Silicon Valley with FIRS Steeltown? o_O
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19:58:09 <andythenorth> “you have a secret weakness for coke” :|
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20:07:44 <milda> __ln__: Todays tantrum?
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21:58:19 <Lejving> did this ever get implemented?
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