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00:11:01 <supermop_> go to bed andy
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00:30:44 <Wolf01> 'night
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11:18:19 <Wolf01> o/
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11:36:30 <Alberth> o/
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11:40:39 <Alberth> o/
11:44:21 <andythenorth> moin
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11:48:26 * andythenorth such hog
11:54:00 <Alberth> feeling hoggy today? :)
11:55:15 <andythenorth> had a feature request
11:55:19 <andythenorth> that I can d
11:55:21 <andythenorth> do *
11:58:00 <Alberth> jolly good
11:58:51 <andythenorth> unusual tbh
11:59:13 <Alberth> ones you can do? yeah :)
12:00:53 <andythenorth> sieze the chance eh? :)
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12:33:41 <andythenorth> oops
12:33:47 * andythenorth learns about circular dependencies
12:34:15 <andythenorth> self.model_life = replacement.intro_date + replacement.model_life :P
12:34:24 <andythenorth> doesn’t scale so well
12:34:40 <andythenorth> not quite circular, but eh
12:38:17 <andythenorth> anyone play with expiring vehicles?
12:38:27 * andythenorth doesn’t, but is adding support for it to Road Hog
12:39:04 <Wolf01> I play with all but disasters
12:39:44 <Alberth> it's not circular indeed
12:39:58 <andythenorth> it’s just some kind of horrible branching
12:39:59 <Alberth> I do play with vehicle expiration on
12:40:21 <andythenorth> feature request was to keep current + previous generation available at all times
12:40:28 <andythenorth> which is trivial code, if a bit ugly :)
12:40:43 <Alberth> current is trivial :p
12:41:49 * andythenorth tests
12:41:59 <Alberth> "all times" seems a bit overstretched
12:42:37 <andythenorth> it wasn’t a demand, just loosely expressed :)
12:42:44 <Alberth> it'd be fine to remove old stuff after you have had enough opportunity to replace
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12:43:25 <Alberth> nuts uses 255 year, which basically means I have to hide all old crap manually :p
12:43:48 <Alberth> may or may not be a bad thing :p
12:44:28 <andythenorth> hmm, this version is buggy
12:44:51 <andythenorth> sometimes no model of a specific type (pax tram for example) isn’t available
12:45:52 <Alberth> clearly no demand for public transport in that era :p
12:47:25 <andythenorth> whenever I try to set model life, I encounter regret :)
12:47:32 <andythenorth> it never works reliably
12:48:26 * andythenorth needs to set retire_early prop
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13:19:21 <andythenorth> _probably_ done
13:33:09 <Wolf01> Just overlapping availability with dates doesn't work?
13:36:17 <Wolf01> I don't like too much stuff on purchase list, specially when I use 3 vehicles over 20 available, and hide the ones I don't use is boring
13:36:48 <Wolf01> I would like more some "keep this vehicle in production" flag :P
13:44:10 <andythenorth> there are shenanigans due randomisation of model life
13:44:19 <andythenorth> openttd adds a random amount
13:44:28 <andythenorth> and for intro dates also
13:44:50 <andythenorth> so it’s a moving target
13:44:59 <andythenorth> :)
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13:48:01 <Alberth> you change to a new generation for all engines at the same time, so there are a lot of new engines suddenly
13:48:32 <Alberth> while if you change each engine separately, the problem of temporary having 2 similar engines is less worse
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15:12:11 <Wolf01> https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning <- Mastering Object-oriented Python if somebody is interested
15:14:31 <Alberth> doesn't even provide a TOC
15:15:06 <Wolf01> Oh, there is, but you have to redeem the free ebook on your account first
15:16:16 <Wolf01> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pk043pvyq <-
15:19:01 <Alberth> thanks
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15:38:55 <Wolf01> Too bad most of the free ebooks are ancient, like the ones or php4 or 5 :/
15:39:10 <Wolf01> At least this is for python 3
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15:47:09 <Alberth> likely it's simpler to read the python tutorial at docs.python.org
15:48:37 <Alberth> lots of the stuff in the book isn't about "mastering object-oriented", it's more "using objects"
15:49:32 <Wolf01> Clickbait titles :P
15:49:57 <Alberth> :)
15:50:18 <Wolf01> That's why I always wait until something free shows up
15:50:48 <Wolf01> I won't spend 40€ for a book which is worse than a tutorial
15:51:12 <Alberth> serialization doesn't even address versioning, and loading old objects, judging from the TOC
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16:20:37 <andythenorth> new Hog done
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16:25:11 <Alberth> haven't finished the old one yet :)
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16:31:37 <supermop> yo
16:41:53 <Alberth> o/
16:52:20 <V453000> yo humanz
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18:15:32 <__ln__> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827867311054974976
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19:38:45 <andythenorth> is it ottd time?
19:41:22 <andythenorth> Silicon Valley with FIRS Steeltown? o_O
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19:58:09 <andythenorth> “you have a secret weakness for coke” :|
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20:07:44 <milda> __ln__: Todays tantrum?
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21:58:08 <Lejving> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=73182
21:58:19 <Lejving> did this ever get implemented?
22:04:29 <V453000> not that I know
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