IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-01-16
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08:58:27 <NekoMaster> Are any Forum admins or mods around? We seem to have another Spam issue on the Forum Suggestions and Feed Back
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15:14:28 <Wolf01> Nice wacom drivers messing up with everything known to humanity
15:26:26 <peter1138> woe and crapness, or mouse
16:18:44 <Wolf01> Without drivers seem to work better
16:19:20 <Wolf01> The settings tool works, the pressure sensor works even better
16:19:54 <Wolf01> Other softwares now work again, before they even failed to start
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16:26:07 <Alberth> extended super mop today :)
16:29:51 <supermop_> work computer is constantly gaining or losing tail
16:33:40 <Wolf01> Too bad it is not really smooth like this... they stop continuously because fuck
16:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause> now, if you could find the original of that, without the blatant ripoff and sexist comment...
16:38:48 <supermop_> maybe i'll finally code roads today
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19:37:10 <__ln__> Wolf01: so banning women from driving will result in the pedestrians' ability to pass through moving cars? as obviously happens at a few spots in the clip.
19:37:54 <Wolf01> Because internet said so, not me
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19:45:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27736 trunk/src/lang/italian.txt (2017-01-16 19:45:36 +0100 )
19:45:46 <DorpsGek> italian: 1 change by lorenzodv
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20:23:19 <supermop_> ships adequately hyped?
20:28:12 <supermop_> street trees adequately desired?
20:35:39 <frosch123> or probably the hedges at the bottom
20:38:51 <supermop_> stone walls and hedges would look very english
20:39:26 <supermop_> palm trees for LA or hawaii
21:20:34 <andythenorth> anyone know how railtype<->vehicle compatibility works? :P
21:21:13 <frosch123> same as for roadtypes
21:22:09 <frosch123> railtypes use the same labels as tramtypes
21:22:17 <frosch123> so just imagine a tram track set
21:36:11 <andythenorth> I suspect I’m doing it wrong?
21:38:44 <frosch123> compatibility is defined by the railtype grf
21:38:56 <frosch123> a vehicle only belongs to a single railtype by itself
21:39:16 <frosch123> if a vehicle can drive on multiple track types, it is always the railtype grf's fault
21:41:16 <andythenorth> I wonder if I’ve done the fallbacks wrong
21:41:33 <frosch123> only ELRL is shared
21:41:39 <frosch123> and it's the last type in the list
21:42:06 <frosch123> if nutracks defines neither MTRO nor 3RDR, well, what should a horse do?
21:43:07 <frosch123> ah, i guess nutracks provided 3RDR
21:43:14 <frosch123> normal rail is compatible to 3RDR
21:43:17 <frosch123> nothing wrong with that
21:43:48 <andythenorth> NuTracks defines MTRO, allegedly
21:45:00 <andythenorth> ok, well I can reply in the thread, thanks :)
21:49:51 <supermop_> metro as railtype is stupid
21:50:26 <supermop_> gauge of rail and type of traction are all you need
21:51:00 <supermop_> nothing explicitly makes subway tracks metro-y
21:51:54 <andythenorth> metro as railtype is…winningest
21:52:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: MTRO exists in revision 174 of nutracks
21:52:33 <andythenorth> so it got recoded?
21:52:36 <supermop_> i recall old nutracks debat about not allowing regular trains on metro or vis verse
21:52:37 <frosch123> apparently oberhuemer removed it
21:52:54 <frosch123> andythenorth: apparently there was a nfo->nml rewrite
21:53:30 <andythenorth> I for one applaud people who rip up compatibility :)
21:54:22 <supermop_> its not up to the rail grf to enforce some kind of idea about propriety or balance of running metro trains on regular rail or regular trains on metro rail, unless you are going to make distinctions about loading gauge
21:54:46 <supermop_> and forbid NYC subways from running on the same track as tube trains
21:54:47 <andythenorth> the spec disagrees :)
21:55:06 <andythenorth> I had a brief flash of understanding about the spec over christmas
21:55:08 <andythenorth> it was all very clear
21:55:13 <andythenorth> but then I forgot
21:55:36 <supermop_> andythenorth: they should ship nutracks and 2cc trains as one grf if they want to enforce their ideas about metro
21:56:10 <supermop_> it would be a silly as some type of road that only very large trucks can drive on
21:56:12 <frosch123> until people stop asking
21:56:22 <andythenorth> the spec must be driven by the idea that you load multiple train grfs
21:56:37 <andythenorth> if that’s the ruling assumption, then the current spec is the only sensible approach
21:56:58 <andythenorth> as the train grfs can’t possibly co-operate, so compatibility must be delegated to the railtype grfs
21:57:46 <andythenorth> I might be talking rubbish though
21:57:56 <supermop_> sounds all well and good
21:58:43 <supermop_> if set 1 and set 2 have slightly different ideas about what a 3rd rail train is, that distinction should be lost when you play with them together though
22:09:55 <frosch123> i think the idea was that railtype people are weirdos who add 15 types of speed limits, while other people still want to play with a trainset
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22:22:27 <Noy> hi there. I was wondering if there is someone here who could give me a bit of basic help with the Japanese train set gameplay wise. Rather do this through PM…. cuz I don’t want to ask nooby questions in public.
22:24:29 <andythenorth> I’ve spoilt the Sam game
22:24:37 <andythenorth> by posting actual evidence of a newgrf :P
22:26:06 <Lejving> Noy, just ask, I'm sure nobody will judge you
22:26:09 <frosch123> i thought you would discontinue it due to objective no 3
22:26:24 <andythenorth> I considered renaming it :P
22:26:29 <andythenorth> due to objective no. 3
22:26:45 <andythenorth> and calling anything ‘unsinkable’ is frowned on due to Titanic
22:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hasn't stopped people from claiming "1000 year empires" and stuff
22:28:40 <andythenorth> “nobody really called the Titanic “unsinkable” until after the ship had sunk"
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22:29:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: binary
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