IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-11-29
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14:20:22 <crem> why are jgrpp patches not in the master branch? They seem good.
14:23:13 <goodger> the automatic scheduling in particular is nothing short of a godsend
14:23:26 <goodger> can't tell you how many things I tried to get even headways before
14:23:45 <goodger> though I note it doesn't work with buses or trams, if there's a 'go via' order
14:23:57 <goodger> works fine with rail waypoints though
14:48:32 <peter1138> i thought jgr was a dev at one point
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14:57:47 <goodger> he was certainly a ttdpatch dev when I knew him
14:58:51 <__ln__> i'm not aware of a jgr being a dev
15:00:06 <goodger> I remember arguing with him in... january 2010? about whether ttdpatch was still worth doing
15:01:04 <goodger> apparently I won that argument about three years later
15:01:36 <__ln__> does ttdpatch still contain features that openttd doesn't?
15:02:16 <goodger> roads across tunnel mouths, off the top of my head
15:02:53 <__ln__> well then, clearly it is still worth doing.
15:04:21 <goodger> my argument was, and remains, that the continued development of an inherently less accessible and, more than likely, much less maintainable version of the game is not a productive use of time
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15:19:55 <Wolf01> <__ln__> does ttdpatch still contain features that openttd doesn't? <- custom bridge heads
15:24:53 <Wolf01> I would like the yellow ones, as I only use pbs :P
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19:25:43 <supermop__> ALWAYS GAINING AND LOSING TAILS DUE TO SHITTY WORK INTERNET
19:26:54 <supermop__> HOME INTERNET MUCH BETTER THAN CHEAP WHATEVER MY BOSS BUYS
19:30:12 <andythenorth> MY BOSS BUYS FIBRE FOR £9k PER YEAR
19:30:23 <andythenorth> ACTUALLY MY BOSS IS MY WIFE
19:30:34 <andythenorth> I BUY FIBRE FOR £9k PER YEAR
19:31:15 <andythenorth> that’s 0.45% of total turnover for two internet businesses :P
19:32:26 <supermop__> I AM SURE IT WOULD BE A NEGLIGIBLE EXPENDITURE, ALAS I AM WORKING ON A BOX WITH ONLY 8GB RAM AND OFFICE 2007
19:33:05 <andythenorth> DEFINITELY NOT PRO
19:34:22 <andythenorth> SUGAR ON YOUR PEAS MATE
19:34:36 <Alberth> some people ran out of lowercase letters?
19:35:18 <Alberth> pro tip: disable capslock entirely
19:37:16 <andythenorth> get a USB add-on for it
19:37:26 <andythenorth> and with a dongle
19:39:21 <andythenorth> probably have NFI what that means :)
19:41:56 <supermop__> Alberth: annotating drawings in autocad
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19:45:26 <andythenorth> for multiiple reasons
19:46:12 <supermop__> i always wonder why governmental agencies still have enough faith in the internet to let it name their things
19:46:20 <andythenorth> I have a whole blog post about that
19:46:43 <supermop__> did you let the internet name some legos?
19:47:13 <Alberth> he collects blog posts :)
19:48:30 <andythenorth> bloggy mcblogface
19:48:39 <andythenorth> ok so FIRS is standard industry code
19:48:44 <supermop__> what does the internet name the bikeshed at the nuclear power plant?
19:48:56 <andythenorth> so why does the Fertiliser Plant not process Potash?
19:49:07 <andythenorth> but it does process the other input cargo
19:49:29 <supermop__> add a grey nuclear power plant just so it can have tiny CC bikeshed pls
19:49:37 <andythenorth> does FIRS have a subtlye production bug that nobody else has noticed
19:49:59 <frosch123> do you have other industries where the 3rd cargo is not a supply cargo?
19:50:10 <andythenorth> supermop__: we’d need a whole set of similes, metaphors, parables etc
19:50:18 <andythenorth> frosch123: this one varies by economy
19:50:24 <andythenorth> so it’s _probably_ that
19:50:34 <andythenorth> it only has one input cargo in the ‘default’ configuration
19:50:35 <supermop__> i guess the regular coal plant could have a bike shed
19:50:38 <andythenorth> ah, I can debug that
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19:53:07 <frosch123> am it the only one who reads "garbage idea" as "garbage idea"?
19:56:38 <andythenorth> industry production template doesn’t handle number of output cargos correctly
19:56:43 <andythenorth> doesn’t understand economies
19:58:11 <andythenorth> probably need a switch :P
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20:03:25 <supermop> have to fight the urge to pick a computer based solely on cuteness and resemblance to early 80s sony design alone
20:03:47 <supermop> i wonder if they sell a keyboard with the little nipple thing
20:04:31 <Wolf01> Buy a new 3DS, it have the nipple thing
20:05:35 <Alberth> with enough money, you can have as many nipples as you want
20:07:54 <andythenorth> STORE_TEMP((economy==1) ? 2 : 1, var_num_output_cargos)
20:08:04 <andythenorth> 'economy' is a grf parameter
20:08:14 <andythenorth> what should happen? o_O
20:08:22 <supermop> usb thinkpad nipple dongle?
20:10:46 <Alberth> andy: it does for economy==1: STORE_TEMP(2, var_num_output_cargos)
20:10:46 <Alberth> else STORE_TEMP(1, var_num_output_cargos)
20:11:10 <andythenorth> ok that’s correct
20:12:24 <andythenorth> ok, found the bug :|
20:12:30 <supermop> Wolf01: not exactly cheap
20:13:02 <supermop> mouse is funny though
20:25:17 <Wolf01> Somebody wants Out of the Park Baseball 17?
20:31:02 <andythenorth> ah, someone left me a comment
20:31:04 <andythenorth> * ! IMPORTANT ! - there is no support for varying ratios by economy.
20:31:10 <andythenorth> that would be me, leaving comments for me
20:32:53 <Alberth> thanks your past self for these useful hints
20:34:57 <andythenorth> such FIRS bugs :)
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21:41:21 <supermop> THE BLUE OF THE USB 3.0 HOLES COMPLEMENTS THE RED NICELY
21:42:48 <frosch> it does not seem to have super bright leds, so that is a plus
21:47:27 <andythenorth> supermop: at that price, you care about ugly? o_O
21:48:23 <supermop> frosch: anything that doesn't look like it came out of a late 90's high budget sci fi movie is prettier than average it seems
21:49:22 <andythenorth> that Lenovo thing is, on up-front cost, a bargain
21:49:44 <supermop> andythenorth: its going to take up a non negligible percentage of the volume of my apartment so no room for anything not pretty
21:50:08 <supermop> hence considering the tiny cute, non expandible thing
21:50:53 <supermop> is lenovo the one that got into hot water for some spyware shit last year?
21:51:29 <andythenorth> yes, but that’s not unique to them
21:51:33 <supermop> andythenorth: i think the cheese graters would sell for a few hundred quid just for an empty case
21:52:07 <supermop> if i saw a aluminum mac pro with not even a motherboard for $50 i'd probably buy it
21:52:25 <supermop> probably would pay over 100
21:53:01 <supermop> but i've also paid dearly for old sony radio alarm clocks that dont work anymore off ebay
21:53:46 <FLHerne> supermop: Downside of those things is they're not very upgradeable
21:54:04 <FLHerne> supermop: Non-ATX motherboard, 250W (possibly also non-standard) PSU
21:54:37 <supermop> FLHerne: reviews seems to suggest throwing out the psu when buying new GPUs
21:54:54 <FLHerne> supermop: At 250W for the entire system, you'd have to
21:55:00 <andythenorth> supermop: the cheese grater is too big
21:55:21 <supermop> not sure yet if i am going to get into some VR architecture vis. freelancing
21:55:29 <supermop> but i dont need two gpus yet
21:55:58 <supermop> if i do i can buy another computer and write down the cost
21:56:29 <supermop> right now i need something and can't wait till next year, and have no freelance income this year to write off against
21:56:46 <andythenorth> the spec is crap, but it’s small and quiet
21:56:55 <FLHerne> supermop: If upgradeability isn't an issue, why not get a Brix Pro or one of the higher-end NUCs?
21:57:39 <supermop> well i want to be able to run acad and rhino decently well, so i can work from home for regular job
22:01:31 <andythenorth> hmm, needs a lot more RAM that Lenovo thing
22:02:57 * andythenorth now lives in a world of soldered RAM
22:06:14 <supermop> vaios you could change
22:09:25 * andythenorth has fixed all FIRS bugs
22:10:21 <Supercheese> then fix the features
22:10:29 <Supercheese> then fix the fixes
22:11:27 <Supercheese> no winter theme for the forums yet?
22:11:37 <Supercheese> had our first snow here already
22:17:18 <supermop> small form factor lenovo probably good enough if i dont do any vr stuff
22:19:20 <andythenorth> laptop not enough performance? Or too expensive?
22:22:27 <supermop> i never carry my laptop around anymore
22:22:44 <supermop> and yeah, seems like money goes farther on a desktop.
22:23:06 <supermop> if i really needed a mobile workstation for work, ideally an employer would provide that?
22:23:38 <supermop> so putting off thinking about it until its an acute need
22:23:53 <supermop> at the moment my need is more 'a computer'
22:24:32 <supermop> was thinking of a surface book, but specc'd how i'd want, i can get a mobile workstation and a desktop for less total
22:25:51 <andythenorth> well at least it has a DVD drive :)
22:26:52 <supermop> in a chicken and egg bind - i dont seek out freelance work because it would be a pain to get all the equipment and software id need at home,
22:27:22 <supermop> and i don't prioritize spending money on that stuff because i have no freelance work that requires it
22:28:36 <supermop> if i had 2500 sitting around burning a hole in my pocket i'd just travel somewhere with it
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22:29:36 <supermop> hmm don't know anything about xeon processors. should just pick the most expensive..
22:30:58 <andythenorth> I never understand how people buy PCs
22:31:09 <supermop> if i get 128gb of ram can i just have no hard drive and never turn it off?
22:31:17 <andythenorth> I used to (a) buy the cheapest Dell that wasn’t obviously crap (b) get someone else to do it :P
22:32:41 <Alberth> fast cpu, smallest possible disk, plenty of ram, done!
22:33:07 <Alberth> where smallest possible is around 1TB nowadays
22:33:45 <Alberth> nah, just a normal HD
22:34:00 <Alberth> I have enough RAM to work in the disk cache
22:34:19 <andythenorth> supermop: how much will you spend? o_O
22:34:38 <Alberth> but, I program code, mostly editing plain text, and running a compiler
22:34:51 <Alberth> with a random chat window and web browser
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22:36:43 <supermop> according to the xeon thing.... 3600
22:37:07 <supermop> sounds low, better add more pcie ssds
22:38:00 <andythenorth> how much will you sell it for in 2 years? o_O
22:38:47 <supermop> goes in personal junk museum
22:39:28 * andythenorth restarts Arctic Basic yet again
22:39:39 <andythenorth> keep finding broken industries, which means test game is borked :P
22:39:40 <supermop> seriously though, unsure about if i really need some kind of pro xeon workstation
22:40:21 <andythenorth> if you freelance on day rates, you can’t charge more for having a faster computer
22:40:39 <andythenorth> but you can do better work in the same time
22:41:19 <supermop> can i sell my wife CPU /GPU time ?
22:41:36 <supermop> she runs models that take a while sometimes
22:42:17 <andythenorth> ‘every marriage is unique'
22:43:04 <supermop> she earns plenty freelancing with a just a 3 year old MBP
22:43:32 <supermop> but she's in a different, less stupid industry
22:44:06 <andythenorth> faster render = faster results
22:44:14 <andythenorth> faster results = happier client
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22:51:04 <supermop> if i get a tiny little thing, and then shortly buy something better to do real work on, the tiny guy can be relegated to be a htpc i guess
22:52:57 <andythenorth> do the apps you use support network rendering?
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22:57:21 <supermop> flamingo i can get cheap, but no one else uses, vray we have at work but is expensive for me to buy
22:57:53 <andythenorth> so your software costs are as high or more than the hardware costs? o_O
22:57:57 <supermop> but i think my work has a dodgy license and distributed rendering doesn't work
22:58:25 <supermop> vray seat will be more than any computer i'd get other than that xeon maxed out
22:58:48 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.547945205479
22:58:55 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.645161290323
22:59:13 <supermop> if i do freelancing, photorealistic static images aren't worth doing
22:59:14 <andythenorth> Photoshop costs more per month than the mac :(
22:59:34 <supermop> plenty of others out there can do better and cheaper
22:59:49 <supermop> i'd probably focus on VR/real time
23:00:03 <supermop> where there is growth and little competition
23:00:47 <supermop> if i am doing freelance design, i'd outsource and bill any photoreal renders beyond what i can easily do on one machine
23:01:43 <supermop> if i have a home renderfarm its going to be for openttd sprites as a added bonus
23:04:01 <supermop> honestly right now a bottom end surface would be fine for almost everything i do non-work related
23:04:20 <supermop> which is read tt-forums, play go, and play openttd
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23:37:05 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: do i need a real gpu for TF?
23:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know... i don't have any comparison
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23:55:32 <supermop> this essentially puts me in the position of buying a real computer as a transport fever appliance
23:55:52 <supermop> as there is no other need for such power at this time
23:58:30 <supermop> probably don't need two gpus though
23:59:51 <Wolf01> Buy a Nvidia 960 which now costs a shit
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