IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-08-20
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00:01:08 <Rubidium> "delete c->ai_instance" is like freeing prisoners, and c->ai_instance = NULL is like removing all knowledge of the prisoners existing
00:02:01 <Rubidium> doing only the latter does not free the prisoners, but since everyone forgets about the prisoners they will never be fed again (or freed)
00:02:53 <glx> good way to fill the RAM ;)
00:04:34 <Rubidium> unlike languages with garbage collection, where the latter will in a sense move the knowledge of the prisoners existing to an entity that releases "forgotten" prisoners every once in a while. But bear in mind that those languages require more steps to count the number of users and require more memory to maintain those counts
00:07:56 <Samu> /* static */ void AI::Restart(CompanyID company) { Company *c = Company::Get(company); delete c->ai_instance; c->ai_instance = NULL; c->ai_instance = new AIInstance(); c->ai_instance->Initialize(c->ai_info); }
00:08:24 <Samu> trying to avoid AI::Stop and AI::StartNew
00:10:09 <Samu> there's still something else that is clearing the debug log
00:10:19 <Samu> must find what is cleaning it
00:10:26 <Samu> i wanted it to keep all the log
00:32:37 <Samu> what is backup and restore used for? in the case of ais?
00:32:55 <Samu> Backup<CompanyByte> cur_company(_current_company, company, FILE_LINE); Company::Get(company)->ai_instance->Pause(); cur_company.Restore();
00:33:34 <Samu> to pause the ai, you use this backup thing, but i can't figure out why
00:34:45 <Samu> not only when pausing, but also for startnew, stop, unpause
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01:16:15 <Samu> i have an idea for this problem but i may need help
01:16:29 <Samu> instead of restarting immediately, i'd postpone a restart on the next month
01:16:52 <Samu> or perhaps in the next few hundred ticks, how do I do this?
01:18:50 <Samu> i'm still unable to keep the log
01:18:59 <Samu> it is always cleaning up the old log, starting anew
01:23:59 <Samu> hehe, rocketai with 103 road vehicles, this is nice, and the company ain't bankrupting
01:33:35 <Samu> oh, 108 road vehicles, it feels alive!
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02:56:56 <Samu> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_AI_RESTART_DEAD_HELPTEXT :Enabling this setting permits the AIs to restart themselves if they have encountered an error, without notificating the player about it and without reseting the company they are controlling.
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03:03:36 <Samu> what can you say about that english
03:04:12 <Samu> oh, the :on, off thingy is missing, must fix
03:13:44 <Samu> any native english speaker?
03:36:06 <alask0ud> Hey, I can speak english relatively good, but I'm noob to OTTD
03:36:19 <alask0ud> I see you've been talking alone all day haha
03:40:21 <planetmaker> English proficiency is no prerequisite to playing OpenTTD ;)
03:42:03 <Samu> if anyone wants to test it out
03:44:26 <alask0ud> That's why I'm noob lol
03:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> strange time for a random planetmaker to appear.
03:49:52 <Flygon> planetmaker: It might be if your primary language isn't in Latin script :)
03:50:22 <Flygon> Otherwise loading a NewGRF, and readng train names
03:50:47 <Flygon> And the Korean person reads it thinking "What the fuck is a Victorian Railways Walker Railcar?"
03:50:55 <Flygon> ...granted, I don't think the 2CC set has that yet :U
03:51:05 <Flygon> Point is, it wouldn't be in Hangul :
03:52:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but knowing what a vehicle name means is also not really necessary for playing openttd
03:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> like, for many years i misinterpreted what the "BR" in the original vehicle names meant...
03:56:02 <planetmaker> Flygon, latin script is no pre-requisite either
03:56:24 <Flygon> xP It does help a lot, tho
03:56:29 <Flygon> Eddi: Lemme guess. "Brazil"?
03:56:50 <Flygon> I use to play Ragnarok Online in the mid-00s, and wondered why everyone was referring to British Railways
03:57:00 <Flygon> Turned out they were annoyed by all the Portuguese speakers
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05:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: no, not brazil...
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10:11:35 <Wolf01> I just purchased 2 claas and a volvo wheeled excavator
10:11:46 <Wolf01> Big discount on Amazon.co.uk
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10:24:08 <Wolf01> One original and one heavily modded ;)
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11:51:21 <frosch123> i was looking for some test sprites :p
11:53:19 <frosch123> any idea how to combine a 8bpp image with the alpha channel from some other image?
11:54:28 <frosch123> hmm, actually... i guess nml already does that for me
12:23:46 <Flygon> Was it 2CC 2.0 alpha1 or 2.0.0 beta 5 that was most recent?
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13:51:22 <Samu> I just "Build/Run Code Analysis on Solution" on Visual Studio and it came up with 120 warnings
13:51:32 <Samu> are they of any importance?
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14:37:07 <Samu> now that i want aiai to crash, it isn't crashing
14:42:08 <Samu> interesting, there aren't many ais that crash, after all these tests
14:44:10 <Samu> crashing ais over the last 2 months tests: AIAI, BorkAI, rocketAI, TeshiNet, TracAI
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14:45:53 <Samu> oh, i forgot to count the autosaving crashers
14:48:15 <Samu> heh, never thought I'd be actually needing them for this test
14:53:51 <Alberth> you never get what you need :p
14:58:42 <Samu> well, if i don't notice them crashing, then I suppose I did a good job, too
14:59:18 <Alberth> they got so scared, that they resist crashing :)
14:59:44 <Samu> i know that rocketai gets to a point when it crashes immediately upon several restarts
14:59:58 <Samu> but i wanted to know about the other ais
15:00:21 <Alberth> you can try to use an older version
15:01:47 <Alberth> but my guess is that is one of the two likely outcomes. Either it crashes immediately, or it restarts and runs normally again
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15:43:03 <Samu> tracai crashed and restarted, hmm I'd like to have a way to know if an AI had crashed
15:44:54 <Samu> it's nice in a way that it is behaving as transparent as possible, but still, I don't quite like that it's not possible to know which ones have crashed
15:45:45 <Samu> hmm, i'd like to have it print a message on the console perhaps
15:50:34 <Samu> debuglevel 9 isn't working?
15:54:05 <Alberth> debuglevel will throw pages and pages of output
15:54:32 <Alberth> maybe your windows doesn't know what a console is?
15:55:26 <Samu> i thought about the in-game console
15:58:12 <Samu> D:\OpenTTD\Build\openttd.exe -d script=9
15:59:13 <Alberth> isn't that game script? (don't know mostly just guessing)
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16:03:31 <Samu> hmm level 9 really prints everything
16:03:46 <Alberth> yes, 3-4 is much saner :)
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16:04:14 <Wolf01> Mmmh, T4 is a bit over my possibilities, but I'm getting excellence levels really fast, and I need to change the entire equip because I have many pieces <70
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17:10:09 <Samu> root_company and company, what is the difference?
17:11:22 <Samu> CompanyID root_company; ///< The root company, the company that the script really belongs to. CompanyID company; ///< The current company.
17:11:44 <Samu> uh, how can they belong to different companies anyway?
17:27:35 <Alberth> I have as much idea as you
17:41:06 <Samu> how do i convert a company byte to char
17:42:07 <Samu> char cid = (int)_current_company; ?
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17:47:26 <Samu> Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State Error (active) no suitable conversion function from "CompanyByte" to "const char *" exists openttd d:\OpenTTD\trunk\src\script\script_instance.cpp 155 :(
17:47:56 <Samu> how to convert companybyte to char thing?
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18:10:12 <Alberth> const char * indicates a string of some kind, while CompanyByte is a number
18:12:10 <Samu> DEBUG(script, 0, "[%s] The script died unexpectedly and was restarted.", ScriptObject::GetCompany()); - will it work?
18:12:29 <Samu> Exception thrown: read access violation.
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19:01:35 <Samu> how do i print to in-game console? :(
19:04:29 <Samu> i hope it's not restarting the dummyai, must test that
19:09:45 <Samu> nice, it's not restarting DummyAI
19:10:08 <Samu> but it isn't showing the error message as well
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20:06:09 <argoneus> good evening train friends
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20:40:47 <Samu> while it's true that the dummyai doesn't restart, it outputs "The script died unexpectedly and was restarted." message
20:41:05 <Samu> and was restarted isn't true, how do i detect the DummyAI?
20:41:41 <Samu> I'm trying to get his name
20:42:35 <Samu> if (_settings_game.ai.ai_restart_dead && _current_company != OWNER_DEITY) { DEBUG(script, 0, "The script died unexpectedly and was restarted."); } else { DEBUG(script, 0, "The script died unexpectedly."); }
20:43:21 <Samu> help me get the name for dummyai
20:46:42 <Samu> or else i'll just leave it as DEBUG(script, 0, "The script died unexpectedly.");
20:46:53 <Samu> it's not entirelly wrong, just less informative
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22:16:25 <Samu> meanwhile, AdmiralAI aircraft testing still goes on
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22:27:22 <andythenorth_> Ship capacities tax my brain :p
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