IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-06-28
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00:09:56 <Wolf01> redeemed other games on steam (old bundles) I'm at 525 now
00:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> steam says i have 17 games
00:11:28 <Wolf01> I play 4 games on steam
00:12:23 <Wolf01> factorio, fallout, clicker heroes, men of war assault squad
00:13:17 <Wolf01> other games when I'm bored, like windward, terraria
00:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "play" mean? in the last X days/weeks/months?
00:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually "binge" a game for a few weeks, and then put it away for a year or so
00:14:09 <Wolf01> or "not less than 4 times a week"
00:15:53 <Wolf01> usually I put 50-60 hours on games and then I put them away too, but some games are persistent
00:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> thinking of getting a space game, but stellaris probably needs one or two expansions before it gets good, and master of orion is not really finished
00:16:49 <Wolf01> I was thinking about stellaris too
00:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently they had to cut most of the midgame stuff from stellaris first release
00:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but at least to me, midgame is the most important stuff...
00:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> like i'm currently playing an EU IV game, i'm 300 years into it and probably uncontested largest nation, i should worry now about endgame (like conquer the whole world, or get this silly meissener porcellain achievement or stuff), but now it gets tedious to conquer stuff
00:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd consider this the end of "midgame"
00:21:12 <Supercheese> there's also Hearts of Iron 4, but that's in the same boat as Stellaris, i.e. "needs several expansions/patches"
00:21:39 <Wolf01> I think that if you put too much midgame in a game, you will lose me... for example I'm not even interesten in finishing the main quest of fallout 4 because I'm too into settlement building and roaming around looking for stuff
00:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i could also click the "form prussia" and "unite the empire" buttons and call the game "done"
00:22:05 <Supercheese> hoi4 doesn't suffer from lack-of-midgame, but rather lack-of-AI-competency
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10:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> :( bud spencer... this is really a bad year.
10:11:35 <Wolf01> mmmh, it seem that you must select the 0.13 from the beta program in steam
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11:12:19 <Wolf01> V453000, in the electric network info, "satisfaction" and "consumption" shouldn't be switched?
11:12:42 <V453000> who the fuck renamed it at the last minute :D
11:13:05 <V453000> I think it should be consumption and production capacity or something
11:13:16 <V453000> it will probably completely change soon, idk if in 0.13
11:17:10 <V453000> are you trying the Lazy Bastard achievement?
11:17:36 <Wolf01> I'm still unsatisfied by my factory layouts, I tried serialised, parallel and parallel with serialised branches, each way has the downside of the slow production rate, but parallel at least makes possible to produce everything without starving the assembly machines downside
11:18:20 <Wolf01> it's the one which wants you to craft at most x items manually?
11:19:02 <Wolf01> I'll fail it while I'm still harvesting coal XD
11:19:07 <V453000> well, I just make a big smelting which goes to everything through splitters so one thing doesn't get direct priority over other things
11:21:43 <Wolf01> research faster you lazy lab, I need the advanced furnaces!
11:28:03 <V453000> I am not even thinking about researching that now XD
11:28:18 <V453000> but yeah actually I might, am kind of running low on coal, need moar efficiency
11:29:18 <Wolf01> I only have 2 coal drills but the 6 furnaces for iron can't keep up with the iron ore production
11:29:31 <V453000> then it's probably easier to get more stone furnaces but yeah :P
11:29:48 <Wolf01> too bad I built the factory around the furnaces...
11:29:56 <Wolf01> so I can only upgrade them
11:30:14 <Wolf01> but I'll move the entire factory soon
11:30:18 <V453000> well you need to expand somewhere eventually anyway
11:30:25 <V453000> kind of doing the same atm
11:30:35 <V453000> got a nice home mess, now making the final plan
11:31:00 <Wolf01> I usually build a bootstrap factory and then move the production to other places
11:31:33 <V453000> I generally prefer to never ever remove old things, make them work
11:31:52 <V453000> but this time I have a very specific idea that would be a huge pain to do especially with the no hand crafting thing
11:32:01 <V453000> so just relocating a little
11:33:28 <Wolf01> also I started to walling out the huge biter's nest
11:33:48 <Wolf01> which is sitting on the oil fields :|
11:34:07 <V453000> already had my biterwrecking run with 4 gun turrets and full pockets of bullets :)
11:34:26 <V453000> but pollution makes them attack pretty much at the same rate they did previously now
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11:59:53 <Wolf01> the belt filling seem to be changed a little, items coming from the sides get priority now if there is a little space
12:00:14 <Wolf01> the result is a better compression
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15:30:21 <supermop_> is there much footprint of yiddish in modern german slang or idioms?
15:31:06 <supermop_> i feel like yiddish is the main force keeping german bit in modern american english, even though no one speaks yiddish anymore
15:32:02 <supermop_> i think there is one newspaper and internet radio station left here in new york, but it has generally died out or been replaced in most communities
15:32:34 <supermop_> and no german americans speak hoch deutsch or anything like it any more
15:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have any statistics on that?
15:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there's "pennsylvania dutch"
15:33:21 <supermop_> sure ill see what i can round up
15:33:31 <supermop_> yeah i was about to say
15:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> which i hear is a rather large group of people
15:33:44 <supermop_> the amish speak an odd dialect of german still
15:34:37 <supermop_> but they are very isolated from most of american culture, and definitely from the part that has absorbed yiddish terms and phrases
15:35:18 <Wolf01> V453000, the feature to allow moving the map with mouse is really welcome :D
15:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_: i think most words in german that came via yiddish are not recognized as such by most german speakers, but they definitely exist
15:38:20 <supermop_> i don't find this to be too statistically enlightening but it is kind of interesting:
15:38:41 <supermop_> doesn't really touch on yiddish at all
15:39:53 <supermop_> do you have a particular word for the topping that is spread onto a bagel?
15:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't really have bagels
15:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> sweet stuff you put on bread rolls is sometimes called "Aufstrich", and sausage slices are called "Aufschnitt"
15:48:26 <supermop_> in new york at least it would be know as schmear
15:48:58 <supermop_> is usually a cream cheese but also be a smoked fish or vegetable topping
15:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, from "schmieren", but no german i know of would say that
15:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use "schmieren" as a verb, but not as a noun. "Ich schmiere Butter aufs Brot"
15:51:46 <supermop_> in english it is both a verb and a noun
15:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there exists "Schmiere", but that is oily stuff you apply to make gears and rods move...
15:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you wouldn't eat that :p
15:53:14 <supermop_> i am not even sure if schmear is a part of international yiddish, or just a New York slang
15:53:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's maybe more fatty than oily
15:54:31 <supermop_> but americans even only dimly aware of jewish american culture would have the connotation of 'cream cheese' when hearing the word
15:55:18 <supermop_> why am i talking so much about bagel toppings when i skipped breakfast
15:57:23 <supermop_> took be forever to get my head around the use of 'lox' when i moved here
15:57:51 <supermop_> as where i grew up, there was only 'smoked salmon' which some people called lox
15:58:02 <supermop_> not of all these other preparations etc
15:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard "lox" before
15:58:32 <supermop_> in swedish it is laks
15:58:41 <supermop_> so maybe the same in german?
15:59:43 <supermop_> lox almost seems like it must be a british corruption of the word
16:00:13 <supermop_> i cant think of any other yiddish name ive seen with an 'ox' to make that phoneme
16:00:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds likely
16:01:41 <supermop_> ok now i really need a bagel
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16:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> good frühstück...
16:32:21 <supermop_> i will have both schmear and lox on mine
16:32:40 <supermop_> slong with red onion and caper
16:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like cheese
16:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> (except on pizza)
16:34:39 <supermop_> it is really weird getting used to what is essentially a cheese and fish sandwich,
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16:35:18 <supermop_> but that seems to be the traditional new york style, so eventually i adapted to it
16:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> coming back to your original thought though, the term "Schmierkäse" will probably be understood
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16:47:59 <Samu> 61ºC is max recommended t.t
16:56:26 <Wolf01> 61°C for amd is the unpowered temperature, if you look well they are sold in asbestos boxes
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17:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the joy of someone plugging in an extension chord and and the circut breaker throwing a fit...
17:14:45 <Wolf01> stop buying chinese extension chords
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18:14:17 <Samu> average cpu usage for the last 3 days: 94%
18:16:15 <Samu> cpu temperature when it wakes up from hibernation: 33ºC - that's the ambient temperature i guess
18:30:55 <Alberth> it's 33 degrees in your room? :O
18:39:07 <Alberth> oh dear, quite hot thus
18:42:32 <supermop_> extension chord eh?
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19:51:53 <andythenorth> just making sure
19:51:58 <andythenorth> probably better to do things twice
19:54:08 <frosch123> hmm, noone made the chemtrails joke
19:54:29 <frosch123> i guess it's not worth logging into the forum for that
19:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> were newgrf effect vehicles ever implemented?
19:56:20 <frosch123> you can see them in effect iron pony, road boar and such
19:57:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted 3rd rail vehicles emit sparks from the bottom
19:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but it would probably also need to know on which side the rail is currently
19:57:41 <frosch123> you can do that, that part is implemented
19:58:25 <andythenorth> Iron Horse metro could have that added
19:58:33 * andythenorth not coding it right now though
19:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i just disabled sparks in CETS, but i'm not sure anymore
20:04:58 <frosch123> "just" as in "5 years ago"?
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20:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "just" as in "simply", not as in "recently"
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20:12:19 <supermop_> smoke emitting from tires of road vehicles?
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20:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> if your tyres emit smoke, you are probably doing something wrong :p
20:15:17 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: better that using fire cycle pallet on RV tires
20:18:34 <supermop_> how does game decide when to emit a spark?
20:19:17 <supermop_> steam smoke is emitted constantly, and diesel smoke when exerting power?
20:19:49 <Alberth> there is also speed stuff in play
20:20:10 <Alberth> less steam if it's running faster
20:20:13 <frosch123> 41, 42, 43 are the available spawning models
20:21:06 <Alberth> not if running against speed limit
20:21:39 <supermop_> why is 0 ahead of the vehicle?
20:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> bounding box weirdness
20:22:32 <supermop_> some kind of exhotic physics locomotive that spawns gravitons in front of the train to pull it forward?
20:22:40 <frosch123> supermop_: don't worry about the positioning
20:22:47 <frosch123> that part is deprecated
20:22:52 <frosch123> and replaced by cb160
20:25:16 <supermop_> i am not too worried as i've never made a vehicle set
20:25:39 <supermop_> though i do have fantasies of getting off my ass to make some cute monorails
20:25:48 <Alberth> I like the gravitons idea
20:26:50 <Alberth> would even work in space
20:27:52 <supermop_> Alberth: what color should graviton vehicle effects be?
20:28:41 <supermop_> when i saw the bit about positioning in front of thevehicle, reminded me of the graviton projector engine in Ascendancy
20:28:48 <Alberth> in reality, probably nothing :p
20:29:16 <Alberth> but white would work, although it looks too much like steam
20:29:57 <Alberth> purple or pink would do it
20:30:37 <supermop_> did no one else play ascendancy in the 90s?
20:31:05 <Alberth> no way of telling what colour appears when there's gravity changing nearby :p
20:31:54 <supermop_> presumably the lensing effect would diffract the light
20:32:40 <supermop_> kind of hoped eddi would have played it as it seems like deep space empire games would be in his wheelhouse
20:33:33 <supermop_> to date the only other people i've met who played it have been my neighbors who lived next to me in the early 90s, whom i borrowed the cd rom from
20:33:36 <Alberth> "..originally released for MS-DOS in 1995 and was updated and re-released for iOS in 2011.." wikipedia
20:33:52 <supermop_> i dont have any ios devices
20:34:59 <frosch123> ion devices are better anyway
20:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard of ascendency
20:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i really didn't play all that many games
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