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01:14:43 <Samu> just finished part of the code
01:15:32 <Samu> there's only 2 things that need fixing, out of so many possibilities
01:16:01 <Samu> out of 12 possible cases
01:16:16 <Samu> 10 behave as I intend them to
01:18:23 <argoneus> >warcraft 3 was 13 years ago
01:19:16 <Samu> replicating the case I have trouble
01:20:12 <Samu> i have a savegame with wormai.5 in the name, and with version 5, but I load it on a system that only has wormai version 4 installed
01:21:10 <Samu> the intention is to make it use the latest available wormai on the system, and discard the saved data on the savegame
01:21:53 <Samu> in other words, make it load wormai version 4, but not use the save data which was for v5.
01:22:36 <Samu> however, it's not doing that. What's doing is starting a random available AI on the system
01:23:32 <Samu> The system still got a wormai, so I don't want it to load a random one
01:24:02 <Samu> replicating the case #2 I have trouble
01:25:04 <Samu> i have a savegame with wormai.4 in the name, and with version 4 data saved, but I load it on a system that only has wormai version 5 installed.
01:25:51 <Samu> the intention is to use the latest compatible version of wormai that can load that data
01:26:15 <Samu> wormai version 5 can load it
01:27:24 <Samu> the system actually does this, but it needs to update the name from wormai.4 to wormai, because the system does not have version 4 installed
01:27:31 <Samu> and it's not updating it :(
01:28:05 <Samu> the name is important to preserve saving and loading of the correct data
01:30:00 <Samu> if I were to save it afterwards, it would take wormai.4 as the name, but would be saving data from version 5. I can't let this to happen
01:31:35 <NGC3982> Should Soap host always be 127.0.0.1 if the server is on the local computer?
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09:38:47 <Alberth> soo many ways to describe a file :(
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11:13:33 <Taco> are there any official ports of openttd to android?
11:13:45 <Taco> or, any that are wholely compat with openttd?
11:18:51 <Alberth> hmm, browser disappeared, but in de OpenTTD Development forum, you can find its thread
11:19:00 <Alberth> since there is only one, choice is easy :p
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12:10:53 <Taco> hmm thats really weird... updated to 1.6.0 and suddenly ecs stopped working
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12:31:01 <Alberth> How do people ever find anything in the newgrf specs?
12:33:38 <Samu> yesterday night i said 12 possible cases, it's not 12, its 20. 2 out of 20 fail to do what I intend
12:33:57 <Samu> not bad for a noob messing with code
12:50:05 <argoneus> good morning train friends
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13:17:23 <Samu> just fixed one more case, 1 out of 20 fail
13:19:05 <Samu> case that fails: startai wormai.5, savegame name = wormai.5, version = 5
13:19:16 <Samu> remove wormai version 5 from system
13:19:30 <Samu> loadgame name = wormai.5, version = 5
13:19:34 <Taco> any advice on how i can get ECS up and runnng again? or am I missing something? since upgrading to 1.6.0 when i generate a new map, it shows a warning saying the were no suitable places for xxx industry... its always one of the ecs industries like water supply...
13:19:59 <Samu> finds no match and loads a random ai instead, which is not what I want it to do
13:20:02 <Taco> I wiped my settings and newgrf's... downloaded ecs again... downgraded to 1.5.3... no joy
13:20:29 <Samu> should resort to loading the latest available version of wormai, which is version 4
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13:35:34 <Alberth> Taco: suitable places for industries are related to worldgen map settings
13:36:24 <Alberth> newgrf has requirements (unknown to the game program), on what it considers suitable
13:36:55 <Alberth> newer openttds now monitor if no industries of some type were built, and warns you
13:37:10 <Alberth> it's not a failure of ECS
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13:37:31 <Alberth> although it may of course happen that a missing type of industry breaks a chain
13:38:51 <Alberth> it's rather that you now get a warning, rather than a missing industry type without getting a notice
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13:47:15 <Taco> Alberth, i did actually notice that its a new feature... would prefer that behavour to the old no warning thing... just uhh, i cant seem to generate an ecs map that isn't missing a mine or a water supply or something thats chain breaking as you say
13:50:58 <Alberth> without the warning, you'd still have a broken chain, except no-one told you
13:51:28 <Alberth> ie a warning was added, nothing more
13:52:29 <Alberth> mapgen settings are sometimes quite critical at getting a map suitable for all industries
13:53:24 <Alberth> especially when industries are big and have additional requirements
13:54:00 <Alberth> (I don't exactly know what requirements ECS has, but at least the industries tend to be big)
13:55:35 <Alberth> btw it's not a permanent failure, the game does try to build such missing industries, so if you create the right conditions on the map, the game will at some point make an industry, or you could fund one yourself
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13:58:58 <adriaesc> I have a problem with the game. When I arrive to 31st of December of 1980, it "locks" itself, the CPU goes higher and I cannot continue playing so I must stop it. I haven't passed that year because it cannot save.
13:58:58 <adriaesc> I am using the 1.6.0 version in Windows 10.
14:03:36 <Alberth> saving to local disk, or something network-ish?
14:04:03 <Alberth> ie can you write a file there?
14:05:25 <Alberth> playing with AIs? game script?
14:05:46 <adriaesc> With 2 AIs and I have the script
14:05:57 <Alberth> although I think they cannot really stop a save
14:06:21 <adriaesc> I have played with that two AIs until 2750 so...
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14:07:41 <Alberth> I mean while writing the savegame, maybe it's eating memory, and windows starts swapping memory to disk
14:07:51 <Alberth> which typically makes it all unusable
14:08:10 <Taco> if i generate a map with industries set to "funding only" will mines eventually open up?
14:09:46 <frosch123> "funding only" means no industries will spawn by themself
14:10:30 <frosch123> you need to enable at least prospecting for primary industries
14:11:08 <Alberth> ^ otherwise you have no way to build them yourself
14:13:23 <andythenorth> every time I have to relearn the interface to my own newgrf templating :P
14:13:58 <andythenorth> dunno if that’s a sign of success, or abject failure :P
14:14:14 <Alberth> it may be a lack of some documentation lines :p
14:14:41 <andythenorth> I relearn it from documentation lines :)
14:15:26 <andythenorth> my brain is too small to hold useless facts, like which keywords configure which magic
14:18:05 <Alberth> that's why you write such things down, too many small facts :p
14:20:02 <Taco> well thats the issue... it breaks the cycle... on the standard industry set, i can't say open a coal mine
14:20:21 <Taco> also where is that setting again, to make town roads align to a grid?
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14:21:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27583 trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp (2016-05-29 14:21:40 +0200 )
14:21:49 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6415]: Do not decrease the column width of depot windows when vehicles with high unitnumbers leave. (Airbus)
14:22:40 <Taco> oh found the road align to grid thing
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14:35:51 <Alberth> Taco: if you change the primary industry build rule (a mine is a primary industry), you can fund a new mine
14:44:15 <Samu> I "invented" versionParam = -2, ai_sl.cpp is passing this value so to search differently
14:44:51 <Samu> FindInho will do a different searching methodology when it finds this -2 version thing
14:57:47 <Wolf01> Samu, adding a new param should be better in this case
15:09:34 <andythenorth> I hate drawing asymetric vehicles
15:12:49 <frosch123> i hate debugging issues with complicated vehicle grfs, complicated cargo reservation, complicated autoreplace on complicated 2kx2k maps :p
15:13:13 <andythenorth> you do mine, I’ll do yours
15:13:17 <andythenorth> first one to finish, wins
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15:27:06 <frosch123> anyone knows whether "ikarus set 6" is an active set? or is it ancient and unmaintained?
15:29:57 <frosch123> is 80 days unloading/loading time for a bus punishment enough? :p
15:33:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27584 /trunk/src (economy.cpp vehicle.cpp) (2016-05-29 15:33:20 +0200 )
15:33:27 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add some assertions about Vehicle::cargo_payment.
15:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> not that ancient, but i have no clue whether it's active...
15:35:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27585 trunk/src/economy.cpp (2016-05-29 15:35:17 +0200 )
15:35:24 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6437]: Enforce a non-zero load amount for all vehicles, so that vehicles can process their cargo reservations.
15:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause> can we just start assigning sane default values to properties of new vehicles?
15:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> (for load amount, i would consider "5" a sane default)
15:36:59 <frosch123> sure, please make a list of properties and values
15:37:46 <frosch123> just add them after engine.cpp:105
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16:14:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27586 trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_road.cpp (2016-05-29 16:14:52 +0200 )
16:14:59 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6410]: Automatic servicing of road vehicles compared path finder costs with tile distances, thus vehicles went to depots which were factor 100 too far away. (juanjo)
16:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a bug nobody noticed for like 5 years
16:31:22 <peter1138> More likely nobody reported...
16:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i really mean "notice"... to a user, this just means there's virtually no limit for depot visits, but road vehicles have no trouble finding back to their real route (other than being run over by trains)
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17:08:07 <Samu> Is there a way to configure a matching version of a GS at all, like there is for AIs?
17:09:21 <Samu> via openttd.cfg, perhaps?
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17:20:01 <Samu> how would you start an ai with a name requiring ""
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17:33:01 <Samu> startai "denver & rio gande".1
17:33:10 <Samu> startai "denver & rio grande".1
17:33:44 <Samu> passes denver & rio grande.1
17:34:42 <Samu> savegame stores denver & rio grande.1
17:34:53 <Samu> nice, everything working as planned
17:37:31 <Samu> loadgame loads as planned
17:37:41 <Samu> so, I guess my code is ready
17:38:00 <Samu> ain't too sure about what to do about GS's though
17:38:11 <Samu> they're not started via console at all
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17:57:41 <Samu> heh, this comment makes no sense /* If we didn't find a match Game script, maybe the user included a version */
17:58:01 <Samu> there is no way to specify a version
17:58:45 <Samu> for GSs, it makes no sense
17:58:59 <Samu> unless I missed some way to do that
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18:07:40 <johannes_> Hello, I programmed something and now want to merge in the newest openttd code from git. Do you prefer a real merge or a rebase?
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18:11:55 <johannes_> actually, I guess there's nothing wrong with rebasing?
18:20:59 <johannes_> "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined -> has anyone else seen this?
18:24:59 <johannes_> openttd does not start: "Error: No available language packs (invalid versions?)" -> please, what does this mean?
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18:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose what you do on your personal repo is kind of irrelevant. if it gets merged into trunk, it has to go through SVN anyway, possibly prepared by a patch queue
18:38:43 <Samu> The savegame has an GameScript - that's a typo, right?
18:39:02 <Samu> The savegame has a GameScript
18:39:47 <johannes_> thanks Eddi|zuHause , do you also know why my openttd does not start?
18:39:52 <andythenorth> I ‘reported’ the RV bug
18:39:58 <andythenorth> but not ‘properly’
18:40:18 <andythenorth> I have breakdowns off because RVs go to nonsensical servicing destinations
18:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes_: i've not mastered that level of psychic mindreading yet
18:42:00 <Samu> "an GameScript"? or "a GameScript"? - I find tons of the former in the code, am I going crazy or isn't that a typo?
18:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes_: "no available language packs" usually means a version mismatch
18:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so you forgot to compile the languages along with your regular compile
18:48:57 <Samu> how does this make sense? "The savegame had no GameScript available at the time of saving."
18:49:19 <Samu> feels like GameScript part of the code was copy pasted from AI
18:50:52 <Samu> I don't think that exists, but let me search better
18:55:48 <johannes_> Eddi|zuHause: Hmm I did "./configure" and then "make", did I forget a step?
18:57:20 <TrueBrain> make clean && make ?
18:57:29 <TrueBrain> just in case some dep wasn't updated? :D
19:00:59 <johannes_> TrueBrain: did not work
19:02:14 <Samu> looks like I'm just gonna copy paste code as well
19:02:27 <Samu> it's what I do better :p
19:02:56 <johannes_> Eddi|zuHause: do you know how to compile the languages manually?
19:03:37 <johannes_> btw: I do have 1.6.0 installed and want to start a locally installed 1.5.3 that I just rebased to 1.6.0
19:10:12 <johannes_> hmm ok bundle worked, don't know why, but hey, it works...
19:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes_: manual compile is done with the "strgen" tool
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19:25:09 <Samu> but in all seriousness, I was able to do it
19:27:29 <Samu> it directs the intended searching behaviours for savegames, loadgames and console commands, and also renames and loads the correct data whenever compatible
19:29:17 <Samu> i didn't test that much when launching OpenTTD and its initial searchings, but it appears to be doing well, at a quick glance
19:41:57 <Samu> The program '[7612] openttd.exe' has exited with code 3 (0x3).
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19:48:53 <Samu> Launch openttd, click check online content, click select upgrades, click download, click ok, now exit OpenTTD, and errors with that
19:51:58 <Samu> the same upgrade is still available to download everytime I check, seems strange
19:53:32 <Samu> it also fails with release x64 - Unhandled exception at 0x00007FF6532149E3 in openttd.exe: An invalid parameter was passed to a function that considers invalid parameters fatal.
19:56:04 <Samu> always an upgrade for BusyBee, i download it, but seems to have no effect, there's always an update to BusyBee
19:58:34 <Samu> I got a folder named "BusyBee-RC2M" and a tar file named "BusyBee-RC2M.tar"
19:59:21 <Samu> deleted folder, gonna try again
20:00:00 <Samu> and openttd exits without erroring
20:01:43 <Samu> uh oh, there's still a problem
20:01:50 <Samu> tried something different
20:02:34 <Samu> i got villages is villages v6, v7 and v8 as tar files, no folders at all. v8 is the latest available on the internet.
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20:02:58 <Samu> i delete v8 to force openttd tot detect an update
20:03:17 <Samu> I repeat those steps again
20:03:25 <Samu> and i get an error when exiting openttd
20:08:15 <Samu> nope, no error with 1.6.0
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20:19:04 <Samu> > openttd.exe!ThreadMutex_Win32::BeginCritical(bool allow_recursive) Line 132 C++
20:19:22 <Samu> from here on, everything is microsoft code
20:19:31 <Samu> and it errors on microsoft code
20:26:18 <TrueBrain> format your harddrive
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20:26:37 <Samu> > openttd.exe!_close(int fh) Line 49 C++
20:29:34 <Samu> > openttd.exe!_invoke_watson(const wchar_t * expression, const wchar_t * function_name, const wchar_t * file_name, unsigned int line_number, unsigned __int64 reserved) Line 204 C++
20:29:53 <Samu> invalid_parameter.cpp line 204
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20:53:06 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27587 /branches/1.6 (17 files in 4 dirs) (2016-05-29 20:52:56 +0200 )
20:53:07 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
20:53:08 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Use a more appropiate sound effect for convert-rail (r27547)
20:53:09 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Remove SetFill from vehicle GUI buttons, so that the viewport is resized instead of them in case of long window titles (r27546)
20:53:10 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [Script] Generation of API wrappers (r27545, r27544, r27543)
20:56:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27588 /branches/1.6 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2016-05-29 20:56:42 +0200 )
20:56:52 <DorpsGek> [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
20:56:53 <DorpsGek> - Fix: [Build] Force sorting to be locale independent, so files are always ordered the same and by that token better diff-able (r27562, r27558)
20:56:54 <DorpsGek> - Fix: Typos in comments and string (r27561, r27560)
20:56:55 <DorpsGek> - Fix: [Build] bashism that caused different CFLAGS with bash vs dash (r27557)
20:59:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27589 /branches/1.6 (16 files in 4 dirs) (2016-05-29 20:59:03 +0200 )
20:59:11 <DorpsGek> [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
20:59:12 <DorpsGek> - Feature: Mexican Spanish (r27564, r27553, r27552)
21:01:59 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27590 /branches/1.6 (6 files in 4 dirs) (2016-05-29 21:01:50 +0200 )
21:02:00 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
21:02:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Memory leak when disabling palette animation [FS#6404] (r27575)
21:02:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [NewGRF] The house id as returned by house variable 66 was incorrect when querying neighboured tiles [FS#6432] (r27574)
21:02:03 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [Build] Compilation failure with gcc 6.1 due to headers included after safeguards.h [FS#6467] (r27573)
21:05:20 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27591 /branches/1.6 (9 files in 3 dirs) (2016-05-29 21:05:11 +0200 )
21:05:21 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
21:05:22 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Change: Performance improvement for dedicated servers by skipping drawing calls earlier in the process [FS#6402] (r27579)
21:05:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Vehicles could not be hidden from the purchase list when they were in exclusive preview [FS#6454] (r27578)
21:05:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Dock and roadstop picker, client list and town authority window did not auto-resize according to their content when they were positioned at the bottom of the screen [FS#6386] (r27577)
21:08:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r27592 /branches/1.6 (8 files in 4 dirs) (2016-05-29 21:08:01 +0200 )
21:08:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.6] -Backport from trunk:
21:08:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Automatic servicing of road vehicles compared path finder costs with tile distances, thus vehicles went to depots which were factor 100 too far away [FS#6410] (r27586)
21:08:15 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Enforce a non-zero load amount for all vehicles, so that vehicles can process their cargo reservations [FS#6437] (r27585, r27584)
21:08:16 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: Do not decrease the column width of depot windows when vehicles with high unitnumbers leave [FS#6415] (r27583)
21:10:33 <TrueBrain> seriously, that DorpsGek should really learn to shut up
21:10:58 <TrueBrain> @kick DorpsGek susshh you
21:10:58 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: I cowardly refuse to kick myself.
21:11:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27593 /branches/1.6 (30 files in 3 dirs) (2016-05-29 21:11:48 +0200 )
21:11:55 <DorpsGek> [1.6] -Backport: language updates from trunk
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21:25:21 <Samu> Wormnest__: if you care to take a look :p
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23:02:05 <Wormnest_> Samu: It sounds ok but I have currently no way to check it
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