IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-01-25
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06:37:45 <Supercheese> I hope people aren't taking this whole "new logo" business seriously
06:38:56 <Supercheese> it's getting out of hand
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07:29:09 <tt_johannes> I just added some train stations twice (directly after another) in one order, and the train seems to make a turnaround at the station
07:29:47 <tt_johannes> It looks like the train drives to the right end of the station, stops there for passengers, then turns, drives to the left end, stops for passengers, then goes on
07:37:17 <Supercheese> well, why would you duplicate the order?
07:57:59 <tt_johannes> Supercheese: when I started with openttd, I made order like A->B->C->B->A
07:58:18 <Supercheese> you should just be able to do A>B>C>B
07:58:36 <tt_johannes> but I did not know how it was programmed :P
07:59:00 <tt_johannes> so probably all my trains did a useless turnaround...
07:59:32 <tt_johannes> or no not useless, but they stopped once again after their turnaround
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10:24:36 * andythenorth just had an evil idea for industries
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12:25:25 <peter1138> so i just started firefox and it's already 19GB virtual...
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12:41:42 <peter1138> well, at least i have 16GB ram now...
12:42:34 <V453000> can 4/8 vehicle be dual-headed?
12:43:55 <V453000> I just knew that articulated can't be dual-headed, which confused me
12:44:17 <peter1138> length should be irrelevant
12:45:00 * V453000 will make a 4/8 train set
12:58:49 <peter1138> apocalypse in 9/8 set
13:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 12/8 is a great wagon length
13:15:04 <V453000> writing down cargoes for wagons
13:15:15 <V453000> phosphate, pyrite, cassava, nuts, manganese, petroleum fuels, edible oil
13:15:28 <V453000> and add sugar beet, sugar cane and general sugar XD
13:15:48 <V453000> I really wonder how do I draw those XD
13:17:22 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 petern petern 15203 Jun 13 2007 opengl.diff
13:17:28 <peter1138> wonder if that will still apply...
13:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> was that before or after the c++ move? :p
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13:45:10 <peter1138> 2007 is before i think
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16:42:19 <Wolf01> bah, this "hero" is frustrating, I could sacrifice everything for a bit of fire protection but I think I'll restart the season with a mage instead :|
16:52:44 <argoneus> are you playing diablo or what
16:53:26 <argoneus> monk was great last season
16:53:43 <Wolf01> I changed all the abilities, the equip and the allies, still I die with purple named enemies :|
16:55:02 <Wolf01> no, I have just yellow pieces because even the legendary items are crap and for >5 levels below mine
16:55:29 <argoneus> the game begins when you hit 70
16:55:40 <argoneus> until then the class doesn't matter
16:55:53 <argoneus> you can get to 70 easily in like 2 hours
16:55:58 <argoneus> and if someone boosts you then 10 min
16:57:07 <V453000> I seriously hate all the "get to lvl70 in 2 hours" ... you just need this huge ass gem, this legendary crown, this legendary bracer, ...
16:57:23 <Wolf01> uhm, I'm playing in master difficulty, and I took 5 days to get to 68
16:57:49 <V453000> you get to lvl70 fatest on Hard I think, or somewhere rather easy
16:57:55 <Wolf01> and NOW, I'm dying every 2 meters
16:58:07 <Wolf01> even Diablo itself was easy
16:58:19 <Wolf01> the act V is the death
16:58:38 <V453000> idk when I wanted to level up, I just played the bounties and rifts
16:58:56 <V453000> you can continue the story at lvl 70 if you feel like it :>
16:59:56 <Wolf01> I needed the story for the achievements, every time I miss this and that, so every time I make a new hero I play the story and try to get the missing bits
17:02:29 <argoneus> hard is the best for levelling
17:02:38 <argoneus> and when you kill leoric and get his crown
17:02:46 <argoneus> not sure if that still works
17:03:05 <argoneus> basically last season we were 4 friends playing
17:03:12 <argoneus> and we all got the crown and put an xp gem in it
17:03:27 <argoneus> we got to like paragon 100 on first day
17:03:47 <argoneus> which is still much slower than what you can do
17:03:54 <Wolf01> I have 3 friends to play with, but they don't play :|
17:03:54 <argoneus> i remember there being paragon 700 on like the 3rd day
17:04:38 <Wolf01> also they like more exploring the whole map instead of doing quests
17:05:00 <argoneus> V453000: I thought you were a fan of minmaxing games
17:09:23 <argoneus> V453000: getting the best results/stats possible
17:09:49 <V453000> I don't class games like you probably
17:10:03 <argoneus> you don't hate getting to 70 in 2 hours
17:10:07 <argoneus> you hate that it's RNG
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17:11:25 <V453000> no I hate that the "guides" how to get to lvl70 usually imply that you first farmed a certain amount of things at lvl70 before you even begin
17:11:45 <argoneus> guides I've read assumed a fresh season
17:11:50 <argoneus> after a while you can just ask people to boost you
17:11:57 <V453000> like boon of the hoarder and the xp giving bracer for gold picked up, leoric crown with maxlvl ruby, ...
17:12:04 <V453000> new season is something else ;)
17:12:27 <argoneus> if i come to a season late I just ask a random guy on my friendslist to boost me
17:12:33 <argoneus> in return I boost people when they ask me
17:12:35 <argoneus> seems to work well :P
17:13:11 <V453000> regardless, I love Diablo 3, the reaper of souls had some seriously awesome patches, made the game super good. The only thing I really hated about the reaper of souls is barely any campaign story, no cinematics (not even ending cinematic), which felt like a ripoff ... but the gameplay patches are great
17:13:38 <V453000> idk how it is going now with the 2.4 or whatever version there is atm
17:13:54 <V453000> but the loot 2.0, greater rifts, ... etc, great shit
17:14:17 <V453000> it is fucking blizzard, the story in diablo 3 was great
17:14:33 <V453000> I know, people who play it for 19347 hours play it cause grind more shit m8
17:14:57 <argoneus> I usually go straight to bounties after leoric
17:15:01 <V453000> I think I got as far as a T6 capable mage, but then got bored
17:15:18 <argoneus> last season I had a T8 capable barb
17:15:28 <argoneus> holding the whirlwind button for the entire dungeon is not very fun
17:15:36 <argoneus> while mashing 12341234 for all the shouts
17:15:50 <argoneus> i can still hear it in my head
17:15:55 <argoneus> just a spinning guy with tornadoes flying around
17:16:26 <V453000> same happens for every class, it is just a huge ass grind
17:16:34 <V453000> well executed grind, but still grind
17:16:36 <argoneus> also I don't like that the game kinda forces you to play the game a certain way
17:16:42 <argoneus> your character is shit, can't clear anything
17:16:48 <V453000> certain way - kill shit? :D
17:16:51 <argoneus> suddenly you can clear T6 easily
17:16:59 <argoneus> your set isn't very good the current season
17:17:04 <argoneus> even with legendaries
17:17:08 <argoneus> and you need to reroll
17:17:10 <V453000> well yeah, kind of, but the fucking cube opens up some options
17:17:36 <argoneus> I don't remember fucking the cube
17:17:38 <argoneus> but it was pretty useful
17:17:45 <argoneus> the cube was fucking me most of the time
17:17:53 <argoneus> no wait, that was kadala
17:17:55 <argoneus> she had a huge dildo
17:18:05 <argoneus> I gave her money and she gave me blue trash
17:18:29 <argoneus> I remember farming a set for my barbarian
17:18:34 <argoneus> and through all the kadala gambling
17:18:40 <argoneus> I got 8 items from the other set I didn't want
17:18:43 <argoneus> and like 1 from the one I wanted
17:21:40 <V453000> anybody remembers what pikka basic industries use fuel oil as label?
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17:27:29 <V453000> I fucking hate ECS and how you have to put 10234239 NewGRFs together for it to be "complete"
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19:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27504 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2016-01-25 19:45:36 +0100 )
19:45:47 <DorpsGek> catalan: 3 changes by juanjo
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20:03:38 <V453000> [13:15] <V453000> writing down cargoes for wagons [13:15] <V453000> phosphate, pyrite, cassava, nuts, manganese, petroleum fuels, edible oil [13:15] <V453000> coffee [13:15] <V453000> fuck all of those [13:15] <V453000> and add sugar beet, sugar cane and general sugar XD [13:15] <V453000> srsly [13:15] <V453000> beans? [13:15] <V453000> I really wonder how do I draw those XD
20:03:47 <V453000> btw cargo Glass not used anywhere?
20:05:06 <andythenorth> V453000: nuts you can draw
20:05:21 <andythenorth> do like a yeti, but giant squirrels, holding one nut each
20:05:37 <V453000> yes, something like that
20:05:43 <andythenorth> edible oil = yellow liquid
20:05:46 <V453000> what is sugar cane and sugar beet?
20:05:50 <V453000> stuff that produces sugar?
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20:08:16 <V453000> but difference of them on a hopper?
20:08:40 <V453000> guess beet has no green bits
20:08:45 <V453000> while cane has shitload of green
20:09:00 <andythenorth> beets is just brown stuff
20:09:09 <andythenorth> cane is massive piles of things, like troll hair
20:09:27 <andythenorth> phosphate is white stuff, pyrite is brown stuff
20:09:34 <andythenorth> cassava is big sugar beet
20:09:39 <andythenorth> manganese is dark grey stuff
20:09:43 <andythenorth> coffee is in sacks
20:10:12 <andythenorth> “welcome to my world”
20:10:26 <andythenorth> automated recolouring of bulk cargo, and a tarpaulin over anything I don’t want to draw
20:10:37 <V453000> why make such ridiculous cargoes then :P
20:10:41 <andythenorth> I do have to do the CHIPS cargos :(
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20:10:59 <andythenorth> I am happy enough that the words are different tbh
20:11:10 <V453000> players won't even notice :P
20:11:24 <andythenorth> keeps things moving?
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20:12:11 <andythenorth> petrol is white liquid? clear? Purple-ish?
20:12:25 <V453000> I have petrol yellowy
20:12:37 <V453000> petroleum fuels brownish?
20:12:50 <andythenorth> petroleum fuels are just petrol, with added wavey hands
20:12:54 <V453000> edible oil yellowy as well, but less "toxic yellow"
20:12:57 <andythenorth> cos it might be diesel or whatever
20:13:06 <andythenorth> diesel was clear, last time I spilt it
20:13:12 <V453000> might as well make petrol == petroleum fuels
20:13:41 <andythenorth> same cargo label, I just fucked with the name, because in EN UK it makes more sense
20:13:52 <andythenorth> nobody files bug reports that cement kilns don’t run on petrol
20:14:00 <andythenorth> or that dump trucks don’t run on petrol
20:14:02 <V453000> oh, cargo label is what matters to me
20:14:29 <andythenorth> which is daft, but historical reasons
20:14:37 <andythenorth> whisky can also be refined :P
20:15:49 <andythenorth> I didn’t add Precious Metals, Gemstones or Explosives :P
20:15:57 <andythenorth> considered them :P
20:16:17 <andythenorth> also contraband, fast food, used banknotes
20:16:40 <andythenorth> or stolen intellectual property, or state secrets
20:16:46 <andythenorth> or fake state secrets
20:17:40 <V453000> putting together a list of cargoes my new train set will support
20:17:57 <V453000> also putting together all combinations of cargoes visible at a time to identify what I actually need
20:19:41 <andythenorth> probably some cargos should be incompatible
20:19:49 <andythenorth> like the dog-chicken-grain problem
20:21:53 <andythenorth> like Yeti on a food train
20:21:53 <andythenorth> cargo should disappear en route
20:21:53 <V453000> not graphical problem so I will leave that out for now if you don't mind
20:21:54 <andythenorth> you need sprites for ‘Eating Yeti'
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20:40:27 <Wolf01> meh, this season look difficult, one quest required T4 to be completed :|
20:56:03 <V453000> I think I got all wagon/cargo colours figured out andythenorth :)
21:05:41 <andythenorth> the roof slope and the arch are also wrong in that sprite
21:05:49 <andythenorth> but I don’t want to post a wall of text :P
21:07:38 <supermop> neon cheaper than i thought
21:07:53 <andythenorth> V453000: that ECS vehicle factory
21:20:35 * andythenorth has typing problems :(
21:21:26 <andythenorth> V453000: every time I change FIRS I ruin your nice graphic :(
21:21:55 <frosch123> andythenorth: V learns scripting
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21:22:12 <frosch123> so he can just setup a set of 16M cargo sprites with different colorus
21:22:16 <frosch123> and let you pick from it
21:22:29 <andythenorth> 16M is not enough
21:22:50 <V453000> outside = colour of wagon, inside = colour of cargo
21:23:02 <frosch123> well, actuall,y how many pixels of a normal zoom wagon are associated to the cargo?
21:23:13 <V453000> andythenorth: yes, whenever you change your shit you can break some visual compatibilities
21:23:32 <V453000> frosch123: idk this is just a thing to figure out colours
21:23:34 <andythenorth> can’t you just script your set from FIRS?
21:23:42 <andythenorth> I can generate json if you want :P
21:23:50 <V453000> no because the colours aren't just FIRS
21:23:57 <V453000> wagon colours are most important to me
21:23:58 <andythenorth> there are other sets?
21:24:11 <V453000> original ,ogffx+, ecs, pikka's shit, yeti
21:24:11 <andythenorth> I played PBI once
21:24:37 <V453000> the wagon colours are important because I don't want 2 same wagon colours in any configuration of any industry set
21:24:51 <V453000> per type ... there can be two grey if one is flatbed and one is hopper
21:24:59 <V453000> plus wood gets stakes, etc
21:25:17 <V453000> in other words, if you do terrible shit, I still have some room to fix things
21:25:33 <V453000> but if you do very terrible shit, your industries will just play worse with my train sets
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