IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-01-14
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04:15:35 <myztic> I suck so hard at this game
04:15:40 <myztic> I really have to do some reading
04:15:45 <myztic> especially considering signals
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05:38:16 <Mazur> Signals can produce complicated effects.
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11:46:49 <dihedral> and a "hello" back to you
11:47:17 <dihedral> strange silence in here
11:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's pretty common this time of day
12:04:25 <argoneus> good morning train amigos
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12:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't want any tears
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12:32:02 <andythenorth> new logo eh? o_O
13:19:00 <dihedral> i see QH HD in the logo :-D
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13:33:24 <Wolf01> but my opinion doesn't count, I don't have taste in graphics
13:34:47 <andythenorth> when it comes to logo design, the non-literate opinion counts as much as the literate
13:34:57 <andythenorth> as a logo has to be consumed by everyone
13:35:11 <andythenorth> and not just those who get why it’s smart or clever
13:47:12 <Wolf01> the only thing I can like, somewhat, is the story behind the TT rotation, but it doesn't look good in the final logo
13:49:47 <planetmaker> I like the idea. But the result is ... well, not entirely convincing, I think
13:50:06 <planetmaker> though tbh, our current logo certainly is not a nice one either
13:51:30 <andythenorth> coming to us all
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14:00:00 <Hydros> hey, I'm in an out, mostly out today, I posted the logo thing.
14:00:49 <Hydros> Yeah, I'm an outsider now and there's nothing in it that any of you can identify with so that's going to make it very hard to relate to.
14:01:19 <andythenorth> I like the process + the thinking
14:01:26 <Hydros> It can be viewed as "something generic" that has a certain quality in appearance, at best. And at this stage, and the current situation, that can be good enough. However...
14:01:41 <Hydros> whatever ideas anyone has, everything can be incorporated into the next stage. Everything.
14:01:48 <Wolf01> <peter1138> alan rickman now <- what? when? where?
14:02:07 <andythenorth> I think there are good choices, but the final form is distorted because the idea about the Ts is too clever to work :D
14:02:14 <Hydros> andythenorth, cheers mate glad to hear.
14:03:03 <andythenorth> the current logo has some irony
14:03:13 <Hydros> the current logo is the original TTD logo
14:03:15 <andythenorth> when actually, money is the least interesting objective in the game
14:03:42 <Hydros> yeah, game is about efficiency, optimisation, good planning, cleverness.
14:04:00 <andythenorth> original logo looks like 30 mins work
14:04:10 <andythenorth> probably 25 mins of that was rejecting stupid ideas from managers
14:04:11 <Hydros> for a pro designer, 30 seconds work :)
14:04:22 <Hydros> have you seen the original TTD logo from 94?
14:04:45 <andythenorth> looking at it now
14:04:57 <Hydros> note the square diamond with dollar sign in the corner...
14:05:06 <Hydros> and the art deco clipart which is actually coolish...
14:05:18 <Hydros> but it just looks so outdated more than anything
14:05:32 <Hydros> the fun thing about OpenTTD is while it's an old idea, it's still fresh.
14:05:49 <Hydros> ooh haven't seen that box
14:06:38 * andythenorth can remember when ‘CD-ROM’ on a box was a sign of something totally modern, fast and exciting
14:06:47 <Hydros> oh really, RIP alan rickman.
14:06:53 <andythenorth> I bought a CD this week, don’t even have an optical drive
14:07:04 <Hydros> I haven't touched a CD in a long time
14:07:44 <andythenorth> some random electronica is only available on CD
14:07:54 <andythenorth> ‘vinyl for quality’
14:08:08 <Hydros> why on CD, that doesn't make sense
14:08:17 <Hydros> forced retro? for hipster fans?
14:08:28 <andythenorth> this is the KLF and 808 State
14:08:33 <andythenorth> they are not famed for being easy
14:08:56 <Hydros> vinyl is analogue, that makes sense, but CD really doesn't.
14:09:12 <andythenorth> despite that it’s all midi loops, someone will insist ‘vinyl is more real' :P
14:09:27 <Hydros> yeah I forgot, hipsters can't use non-apple devices probably
14:10:04 <Hydros> there was this great article I read on luxury, the price of things, something like that
14:10:25 <Hydros> you know people love messing with gourmet critics or sommeliers tasting wines etc
14:10:54 <Hydros> they give'em cheap wines or same wines or they give food critics a mcdonalds burger and say it's some organic something and laugh at the stuff they come up with
14:11:52 <Hydros> well there was a comprehensive fMRI supported study checking people experiencing pleasure when they believed the wine they're drinking is actually more expensive. Even though that was a trick, their brains lit up more on the fmri
14:12:24 <Hydros> I'll be back later, cheers
14:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> sure. what you believe totally matters. placebo effect and all.
14:46:36 <andythenorth> does the placebo effect work if you don’t believe in it?
14:46:42 <andythenorth> also nocebo is quite interesting
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14:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause> studies have shown that the placebo effect works better on people that are more educated
14:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> also, injections work better than pills
14:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and it works better if a higher ranked doctor applies it
14:52:37 <dihedral> studies have shown that 9 out of 10 people do not have issues with mobbing
14:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> less well studied is the effect of placebo surgeries, but the few data there is suggest it's even more effective than injections
15:01:11 <andythenorth> I would recommend placebo tooth extractions
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16:36:47 <dihedral> happy new year to you sir
16:38:05 <dihedral> oh dear - what's this now? someone needing an outlet for some misery?
16:39:09 <dihedral> well - could actually be really aweful - I agree, depending on the circumstance...
16:43:40 <Belugas> I guess the sad note of the year not starting well is related to the death of David Bowie.
16:43:57 <Belugas> either way, happy hea year to you too, dihedral :)
16:44:00 <dihedral> well, I could imagine worse things
16:44:28 <Belugas> Lemmy Killmister is dead too... 70 years
16:44:35 <Belugas> Motorhead is therefor dead too
16:45:06 <Belugas> I'm fine, thanks! Enjoying what i can, of course. And you?
16:47:58 <dihedral> doing well, enjoying life myself
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17:49:21 <V453000> how do I guess at least roughly offsets for bridge pillars?
17:49:34 <V453000> because I loaded them with some various random offsets, and I simply cannot see themn
17:54:25 <V453000> ... the sprite was obviously empty...
18:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if my changes don't show up, i usually check whether i'm compiling the right file
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18:20:30 <Wolf01> somebody knows a multiplatform app (windows/ios/android) which can share a drawing board? Something like the old netmeeting
18:21:03 <andythenorth> no, although if you find a good one, let me know
18:21:27 <Wolf01> I think I'll have to write one :/
18:22:23 <V453000> yeah Eddi, I just for some reason assumed my render sequence is ok :P
18:23:15 <Wolf01> too bad I can't run a node.js server on my nas
18:38:40 <Taede> can you run a virtual machine on your nas?
18:39:17 <Wolf01> no, I must root it before, but I don't want to brick it
18:40:06 <andythenorth> if you run node.js correctly, *everyone* will be able to run stuff on your NAS
18:40:40 <Alberth> it's probably not secure anyway :p
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18:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: use one of those games where you draw something and the other people have to guess what it is? :p
18:59:58 <Wolf01> I need for something more useful, maybe with layers too
19:00:51 <Wolf01> or at least the ability to delete/move/resize a shape
19:01:07 <Wolf01> netmeeting was good for this
19:01:26 <Wolf01> also everyone must be able to draw
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19:15:17 <V453000> oh fucking christ I did not realize the game forces me to use a pre-defined distance between bridge pillars
19:16:34 <supermop> newbridges spec would be nice
19:16:44 <supermop> but wouldn't help you with a base set
19:16:51 <V453000> I am only using base set stuff yeah
19:17:05 <V453000> having newgrf abilities would help insane much with bridge graphics XD
19:17:14 <V453000> but yeah, limitations I want to remain obeying
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19:45:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27498 trunk/src/lang/greek.txt (2016-01-14 19:45:35 +0100 )
19:45:44 <DorpsGek> greek: 11 changes by Ferrum
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21:16:06 <frosch123> juicycat? original filtered cat juice?
21:22:29 * andythenorth looks for pencil
21:22:43 <andythenorth> this Pyrite Smelter, nobody has drawn it yet :(
21:30:45 <andythenorth> also peter1138 in important family news, my brother just sms-ed me to say that the Acorn A3000 boots and runs ok
21:30:52 <andythenorth> do I want it, or should he eBay it?
21:31:03 <andythenorth> chocks away disk is ok, but the mission disk is AWOL
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21:50:21 <alluke> is it possible to get ottd into steam? :P
21:57:58 <Alberth> take out your hard disk, cook water, put harddisk into escaping steam, done
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22:00:09 <andythenorth> then eat the kangaroo
22:00:59 <andythenorth> that joke probably doesn’t travel well
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