IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-08-19
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03:26:35 <supermop> streaming a podcast and downloading a pineapple update is quite slow
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03:53:31 <Supercheese> sounds like you need to dual track your modem mainline ;)
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04:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause> on ISDN you could do that, use two channels to double the speed
05:01:47 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: so i should replace fiber connection with isdn?
05:02:04 <supermop> here it would probably be about the same speed
05:02:33 <supermop> the cable and fiber internet is so underwhelming
05:02:53 <supermop> because there is only one option for each
05:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what a monopoly will get you
05:05:42 <supermop> duopoly is even worse
05:06:06 <supermop> because under us law it doesnt technically count as anti-competitive behavior
05:06:48 <supermop> or at least the fcc and courts have been hesitant to fight it
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05:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, the company that owns the majority of the house connections, which is the formerly state run telekom, is required by law to offer the line for any provider to use
05:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and the prices are regulated
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05:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a perfect system, but it clearly is way better than the american system
05:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but fibre is virtually nonexistent in germany.
05:22:31 <Flygon> Still more Fibre in Germany than Australia
05:30:03 <Flygon> Australia's got fuckall real Fibre connections
05:30:14 <Flygon> At least Germany has decent Broadband through other methods
05:30:35 <Flygon> Here, if you're not one of the lucky few bastards to get Fibre, or even god-forbid Cable
05:30:48 <Flygon> You're probably on a craptacular unstable 6mbits ADSL line
05:33:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i was on 0.3mbit ADSL until about a year ago
05:34:59 <Flygon> How is that even physically possible?
05:35:08 <Flygon> An ADSL line that shit should have been dropping out a megabit ago
05:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's really simple. you pay the same as for a 1mbit line, but you're only getting 1/3 the speed.
05:40:53 <Eddi|zuHause> or technically 3/8
05:42:40 <Flygon> Exactly what happens here
05:42:47 <Flygon> But that's UPTO 24mbit
05:42:56 <Flygon> I am paying for 24mbit line
05:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no. it wasn't like that
05:43:02 <Flygon> But because it's a 3km long line
05:43:25 <Flygon> Because the laws of physics suck
05:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it was explicitely sold as that speed
05:43:33 <Flygon> And Internet planning here is abysmal
05:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> they meanwhile upgraded to 16mbit, though, and an option to upgrade to 50mbit
05:44:32 <Flygon> Sounds like what they're doing
05:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's still all copper based, not fibre
05:44:37 <Flygon> Is rolling extra line pairs to your house
05:44:44 <Flygon> Which's impossible to do in Australia
05:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the line to the house hasn't changed
05:45:13 <Flygon> They don't add additional phone lines?...
05:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they upgraded the distribution node
05:45:16 <Flygon> And pair them together
05:45:24 <Flygon> Oh, they move the node closer to your house?
05:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that
05:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the details
05:46:10 <Flygon> Still, better than what's going on here
05:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't change the fact that germany is a developing country compared to, like, sweden
05:49:35 <Flygon> Germany... developing country?
05:49:52 <Flygon> Hahaha... dude. Germany, from an Australian perspective
05:50:19 <Flygon> You got decent Internet everywhere, decent freeways, decent public transit, decent economy...
05:50:38 <Flygon> I can understand that, internally, it might look fucking terrible
05:50:46 <Flygon> But from an external PoV, Germany's got it all!
05:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> all, except fast internet.
05:51:54 <Flygon> No, you got fast Internet :|
05:52:02 <Flygon> Imean, option to upgrade to 50mbits?
05:52:07 <Flygon> Doesn't fuckin' exist here man :D
05:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but in sweden, you're looking hard to find a house that DOESN'T have 50mbit
05:53:49 <Flygon> Sweden also barely has any population that isn't from Stockholm
05:54:05 <Flygon> Having the entire country's population inside a single city helps with getting Fibre to everyone xP
05:54:22 <Flygon> Australia's one of the single most urbanized countries on the planet and we still fucked that up...
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07:21:52 <Supercheese> I used to have 50+ mbit Internet, but my new provider is more like 20
07:22:02 <Supercheese> California, man do they have high speeds
07:25:19 <Supercheese> Here... not so much
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09:02:37 <Ether_Man> Can the auto replace function be used to add wagons to an entire set of trains as well as just change the existing ones?
09:13:04 <Supercheese> No, don't think so
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10:06:36 <Ether_Man> That's... annoying then. Replacing a single engine, to a doubleengine with wagon removal on. Going back to a single engine now, and I have to readd that wagon manually on each and every train >_<
10:08:50 <planetmaker> yes... that would need full-fledged consist replacement, though. Desirable. But not easy to implement
10:12:01 <V453000> if you get used to it and build your trains "right" from the beginning, you wont even miss it later ;)
10:13:05 <Ether_Man> So what way is right for it to be normal that trains get shorter and shorter as time passes?
10:14:16 <V453000> not necessarily shorter, but many train sets have early wagons to be shorter, and later wagons to be longer
10:14:33 <V453000> regardless, having your trains the same length for all of the game time is best
10:14:47 <V453000> since everything you build needs to work with that length
10:15:22 <Ether_Man> Right. But that does not really change that you're losing wagons every time you change down from a double engine type to a single engine type
10:16:00 <V453000> yeah that is a bad thing ... a reason why NUTS has all engines 1 tile long :)
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14:42:40 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Pikka> for sure
14:54:03 * andythenorth ponders a ‘daily event’ GS
14:54:11 <andythenorth> like Busy Bee, but you get one goal per day
14:54:25 <andythenorth> so you play a bit of OpenTTD in the evening or at lunchtime or whatever
14:54:29 <andythenorth> then you stop until next day
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14:58:43 <V453000> the app should also wake you up in the middle of the night saying your trains are sad and you should feed them
14:59:06 <andythenorth> I get woken up by the kids games on my wife’s phone
14:59:14 <andythenorth> “your dragons are hungry"
14:59:22 <andythenorth> “you haven’t played angry birds for 2 days"
14:59:30 <andythenorth> Yeah, it’s fucking 2am :(
14:59:56 <V453000> I can see the potential in this done with OpenTTD
15:00:17 <andythenorth> it’s quite nice in some of the casual games I play
15:00:31 <andythenorth> they basically have no end point, except ‘spend money on DLC'
15:00:39 <andythenorth> so a daily goal is a good distraction
15:00:50 <V453000> daily goal = buy new shit
15:01:15 <andythenorth> nah, the good ones you don’t have to buy any DLC (if that’s what you mean)
15:01:24 <andythenorth> but you get some crates and dollars and stuff
15:01:36 <andythenorth> also, eh, the forums have gone shit
15:01:43 <andythenorth> is it new-user season?
15:02:54 <V453000> when were the forums not shit? :P
15:03:24 <andythenorth> well, it’s new people
15:03:38 <andythenorth> I understand the old people :P
15:03:44 <V453000> end of holiday frenzy? :P
15:03:55 <andythenorth> loads of students, nothing to occupy them?
15:06:28 <V453000> its not like I did much else in my student days :P
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16:26:50 <supermop> andythenorth: a casual daily goal gs might be the only thing that would even get me to play anymore
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16:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> in every game i ever played, introducing daily missions was a sign for the upcoming demise of the game and its community
16:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or it was seen that way by the community
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17:01:42 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: maybe but the game's demise seems to already be here somewhat for many of us?
17:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the game's demise was here already before the project even started
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17:03:35 <Sacro> You've not built a jinty in over 48 hours
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17:29:25 <peter1138> josh kirby was better than paul kidby
17:30:52 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: was the community right? o_O
17:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not... :p
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17:32:57 <andythenorth> did they declare the sky was falling?
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17:38:29 <Wolf01> mmmh, StarMade anyone?
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18:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, you're confusing that with a plotline in asterix :p
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18:13:06 <orudge> frosch123: the wiki diff should be fixed now, sorry about that
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19:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27387 trunk/src/lang/dutch.txt (2015-08-19 19:45:15 +0200 )
19:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:45:26 <DorpsGek> dutch - 2 changes by TheTycoonist
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