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10:33:02  <Wolf01> o/

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13:40:40  <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Tf23BzAOw playing in the mud

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13:52:47  <Alberth> :)

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17:52:11  <frosch123> hola

17:52:51  <Rubidium> ehlo

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19:45:23  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27384 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2015-08-13 19:45:15 +0200 )

19:45:24  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

19:45:25  <DorpsGek> catalan - 35 changes by juanjo

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20:13:31  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27385 trunk/src/os/windows/win32.cpp (2015-08-13 20:13:24 +0200 )

20:13:32  <DorpsGek> -Fix: compilation failure due #define-ing enum name of a system library before including the system library

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20:20:32  <Alberth> hi hi

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20:20:44  <Alberth> :O

20:21:11  <Alberth> you make very short visits these days :)

20:21:21  <andythenorth> brain in other places :)

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20:52:04  * andythenorth will be back in the game in a few weeks :P

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21:00:26  <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/abbVm9b_460s.jpg the cat is not sure about that

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21:03:49  <andythenorth> ha

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21:15:29  <Ether_Man> Hi. I was reading a bit on exactly how the cargo income calculations work but one thing that I cant seem to find is when exactly the timer starts. Is it when cargo is added to the station? When a transport loads it, or when a transport leaves the terminal or?

21:16:53  <Alberth> when it loads, it starts for that cargo

21:17:12  <frosch123> Ether_Man: cargo ages while inside a vehicle

21:17:25  <frosch123> it does not age at stations

21:17:32  <frosch123> even during transfers

21:17:40  <Ether_Man> Right. So a bad choice generally then to have trains waiting in a station until full :)

21:18:05  <frosch123> yup, on short routes shorter trains are better

21:18:26  <frosch123> the loading time should not be a too big percentage of the total roundabout time

21:18:52  <frosch123> *roundtrip

21:21:48  <Ether_Man> Hmm.. Then is there any better way to have it better spread out multiple trains doing the same route? Because say I do a passenger line with 4 stations. The first train arrives, picks up all passengers, and leaves, then the next train arrives, and almost no passengers, so loading is really fast. So it is even less time on station, resulting in that it simply catches up to the first train faster and faster until eventually, all trains are stuck together, whic

21:21:48  <Ether_Man> h defeats the purpose of having multiple trains there in the first place :/

21:22:33  <Alberth> generally, use time tables

21:22:58  <Alberth> a simpler approach is to make a long length of track without signals, so trains cannot drive closely after each other

21:23:14  <frosch123> my prefered method is to set the loading time for such vehicles to something like 5 to 10 days

21:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause> in the easiest case, set the loading time of the timetable to what it takes to fully unload and load

21:23:21  <frosch123> don't set the travel time though

21:23:49  <Ether_Man> But setting a loading time means it loads the passenger and thus, the timer starts directly. Same thing with timetable :/

21:23:59  <Eddi|zuHause> if you set the travel time, you can do better planning of distances between trains, but it may fluctuate a lot

21:24:42  <frosch123> Ether_Man: it sets a minimum time for loading, and if you only use one platform, that implies a minimum distance between trains

21:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause> well, if 2 additional days of waiting screw up your income, you probably are doing things wrong on a different level

21:25:08  <frosch123> if a train loads for at least 10 days, it can only follow the previous train after 10 days

21:25:30  <Eddi|zuHause> the cargo age ticks every 2.5 days

21:25:44  <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, it's not about getting an income as such. Getting huge income is easy, but looking at optimizing, which is a bit more difficult :)

21:26:09  <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes optimizing on the big scale means de-optimizing on the micro scale

21:26:14  <Ether_Man> frosch123, yes, but then it's also wasting 10 days of cargo age :)

21:26:38  <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, yea I was really hoping to avoid having to do that >_<

21:26:43  <frosch123> well, then use sparse signals

21:26:52  <frosch123> so a train cannot enter the station immediately

21:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> Ether_Man: you can also do "go to X (unload only), wait for A days" and "go to X (load), wait for B days"

21:27:45  <Ether_Man> frosch123, Mm. That seems to gonna have to be the approach

21:27:58  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a dead end station, it'll turn around and load

21:28:15  <Ether_Man> I dont do dead end stations. All my stations are ro-ro :)

21:28:18  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's not a dead end station, you should use [beginning/end of platform]

21:28:32  <Eddi|zuHause> so it can go to the same platform twice without leaving the station

21:29:00  <Eddi|zuHause> platforms should be longer than trains in that case

21:29:27  * andythenorth wants an order to make trains leave the station if another train arrives

21:29:34  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it works with same length, not tested

21:36:08  <Ether_Man> andythenorth, I deff support that order.

21:36:11  <Ether_Man> I'd also like an order like "wait X days before loading", and/or "leave cargo at the station until enough to max train"... Or simply to treat cargo as on station until the transport leaves the station. I'm fine with the timer then also ticking while in transfer at a station

21:36:46  <Eddi|zuHause> there won't be any such orders before anyone cleans up the order gui. it's way too overloaded

21:38:37  <andythenorth> I’d like an order ‘leave station if it’s Tuesday'

21:38:45  <andythenorth> and also ‘if a black cat passes my door'

21:39:15  * andythenorth doesn’t understand all these fancy orders

21:39:26  <andythenorth> nor how people make the game so hard

21:39:41  <andythenorth> why does Baldy need to audit 40k departures and arrivals?

21:39:49  * andythenorth just wins, easily, every time

21:39:53  <andythenorth> * except in MP

21:40:01  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody really understands what Baldy needs

21:40:18  <Eddi|zuHause> not even Baldy's Boss

21:40:19  <peter1138> So Windows 10 appears to have lost most of my Start Menu items :S

21:40:35  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: they weren't important anyway.

21:40:52  <peter1138> Oh, okay.

21:41:13  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i'd look into difference between "public" and "personal" menu entries

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21:52:18  <Rubidium> peter1138: isn't that due to the HP website redesign?

21:52:30  <peter1138> Probably.

22:02:47  <Alberth> in MP everybody wins? :)

22:08:49  <Eddi|zuHause> what i'd like to see (besides of what i already mentioned with the timetables) is a histogram that for each year and each cargo it records how far each cargo packet travelled and how much it earned

22:09:38  <Alberth> that's easy, it's all 0

22:09:40  <Eddi|zuHause> and generally, better graph views

22:09:51  <Alberth> cargo doesn't travel or work

22:10:12  <Alberth> more visual pictures

22:10:17  <Alberth> more stats

22:10:31  <Eddi|zuHause> you're so negative lately...

22:10:34  <Alberth> just looking very busy and impressive

22:11:34  <Alberth> yeah, too much whining, maybe I am growing old :p

22:11:53  <Alberth> good night all :)

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22:18:10  * andythenorth is old

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23:06:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i think we need a more clear mention of "refittable in depot" and "refittable in stations" in the purchase list

23:07:34  <Eddi|zuHause> where it currently just says "refittable", presumably

23:15:56  <peter1138> Oh, s/pdif dac works better when the coax cable is connected...

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