IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-06-29
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00:10:29 <Supercheese> gamescripts do not support genders either, lovely
00:11:00 <Supercheese> these messages will be grammatically incorrect with no way to fix them I guess
00:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood why that is
00:20:31 <Supercheese> most gamescripts I try and translate desperately require cases and genders to make sense
00:20:36 <Supercheese> but neither are available
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06:08:14 <Flygon> Supercheese, nonsense. They'll be grammathically correct so long we can convince the entire world to learn Finnish :3
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08:17:14 <supermop> e classes on the 11 now
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09:11:28 <supermop> here is one for andy:
09:13:31 <Supercheese> the ill-fated Byrd expedition eh
09:14:26 <Supercheese> oh perhaps it's the earlier ones rather than the post-WW2 one
09:15:07 <supermop> scroll down to the cab interior : it had art-deco pineapple upholstery on the seats for some reason!
09:16:14 <Supercheese> the 1946 expedition was very TTD, some people say their convoy was attacked by UFOs ;)
09:21:20 <supermop> i should contact the author to see if he has any info on that seat fabric
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10:51:01 <supermop> hey planetmaker what should a ogfx+ station set entail?
11:05:52 <planetmaker> supermop, as a first step IMHO it should become snow-aware with the default stations
11:06:13 <planetmaker> Maybe ground-aware as far as that matters (afair it doesn't)
11:07:55 <planetmaker> it could maybe get some waiting cargo indication. Maybe very few different types
11:08:07 <planetmaker> types of stations that is, not cargo :)
11:09:26 <peter1138> Automatic buffer stops
11:09:48 <planetmaker> maybe that, too, yes
11:26:05 <LordAro> does nml support stations yet?
11:26:35 <supermop> about buffers, the ones in chips look too cramped
11:26:54 <supermop> but otherwise one loses a whole tile of platform...
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12:28:36 <planetmaker> supermop, I think that the automatic buffers should be really tile-border only - thus be quite thin :)
12:30:57 <supermop> those end up not looking like a buffer i would trust! especially when the train pull right up to them
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12:40:25 <planetmaker> I agree. However a buffer one would trust requires a whole tile. Thus it's a non-track tile which I'm not convinced should be automatically placed when building stations
12:41:30 <peter1138> Worked well enough in existing sets.
12:42:25 <peter1138> Non-track tiles should probably be avoided.
12:42:33 <peter1138> Conceptually they are broken.
12:55:37 <peter1138> Hey guys, I placed a station tile, with a railtype and... it's not a track... wtf?
12:56:49 <LordAro> i guess, but as long as it's clear in the gui (yes, it isnt currently) i don't see an issue
12:58:34 <LordAro> ...but then you'd just use objects, unless of course you're trying to 'cheat' coverage
13:01:31 <supermop> i think its advantageous to have non track tiles that can respond to station behavior
13:02:54 <supermop> like what if you want one platform to be short, and one to be long, but to have a single shed roof over both of them
13:03:51 <supermop> a buffer or bit of concourse that continues the layout of its neighbors would help
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14:17:12 <argoneus> how are planets made
14:28:52 <DDR> well you know, the leading theory is that dust coaleces into balls, which then gravity more dust on to them, and eventually the thing grows to be planet-sized...
14:30:27 <DDR> But I think the start of the ball is a bit of mystery atm, though.
14:30:39 <planetmaker> That's actually the best-understood part of it
14:31:33 <planetmaker> the interesting questions are where to get from the soccer-ball size to the km-size
14:32:22 <DDR> I guess there would be a fair bit of bumping and grinding, even in the vast reaches of space because of the vast reaches of time involved.
14:34:17 <planetmaker> current wisdom has it that it needs hit'n stick and some disk dynamics which in essence means that you have some vortices which allow these particles to accumulate so that then finally gravity can play its part to hold them together so that they form one km-sized body which then actually is big enough that it's not significantly subject to friction with the gas disk anymore
14:36:18 <planetmaker> (the process from dm to km must go quick as those bodies don't have stable orbits in a gasous disk)
14:36:28 <planetmaker> quick as in 100 year order
14:42:55 * DDR just knows about a dance game, an ex-part of germany, and a type of RAM.
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15:30:59 <planetmaker> this is not exactly a test channel...
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17:46:16 <frosch123> someone wants a swedish electric bbq system?
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18:04:40 <planetmaker> is it called rail system? Thus insta-BBQ? :D
18:06:11 <frosch123> no, but the subject started with some words which could as well have been german, though with hillarious spelling
18:07:01 <frosch123> it only revealed later that it tried to be a different language :p
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18:41:01 <frosch123> isn't it easier to just get a different house at the new place?
18:42:36 <LordAro> still involves transporting stuff
18:48:44 <Alberth> nah, sell everything, and let new stuff get delivered at the new place :p
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21:37:41 <andythenorth> can’t build any more stations round my refinery
21:37:55 <andythenorth> without epic station walking :P
21:54:32 <andythenorth> transfers are quite problematic with cdist
21:55:35 <andythenorth> as far as I can tell, it’s better to build point to point :)
22:02:38 <Alberth> you can just as well disable cdist then
22:04:30 <andythenorth> but then, where’s the challenge?
22:07:37 <andythenorth> there’s some specific benefit to cdist that I like, but I can’t remember what it was
22:08:26 <Alberth> haha, the toyland game of Dave is just madness
22:08:52 * andythenorth quite likes the cargo flow minimap view
22:09:05 <andythenorth> and the pax transfers
22:10:03 <Alberth> for pax it's quite useful and a challenge
22:10:24 <Alberth> for industries, much less
22:12:35 <andythenorth> actually, maybe I should just turn it off
22:12:43 <Alberth> some months ago I had a test game to connect all primary industry to all secondary industry (eg all coal mines to all power plants). With nuts maglev in 2050 it's very feasible
22:13:52 <Alberth> just transfer between the secondary industries
22:14:47 <andythenorth> transfers don’t work for linkgraphs that diverge
22:15:00 <andythenorth> “don’t work” needs defining better :P
22:15:33 <andythenorth> transfers on diverging linkgraphs will produce results that are counter to common-sense (and fun gameplay)
22:15:37 <andythenorth> is a better definition
22:15:46 <andythenorth> transfers on converging linkgraphs are fine
22:16:15 <andythenorth> hmm, BB has given me more goals
22:16:25 <andythenorth> when will it ever be satisfied? :(
22:16:49 <Alberth> should it stop after X fulfilled goals?
22:17:07 <Alberth> "you're done now, please play another game"
22:17:12 <andythenorth> this is one of the longest gamess I’ve played for a while
22:17:21 <andythenorth> and no new vehicles for 40 years
22:18:34 <Alberth> unless you play with nuts, with a 255 year lifetime :p
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