IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-06-25
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02:25:51 <supermop> hmm this dual power guy is using diesel even on my third rail tracks
02:38:50 <FLHerne> supermop: I think new nutracks broke UKRS2 a bit, if that's the thing :-
02:40:37 <Sylf> using japan tracks with something other than japan set trains?
02:43:34 <supermop> accidentally added japan tracks and nu tracks
02:43:51 <supermop> thats why the railtype menu looked so odd
02:44:34 <supermop> i wish the japan set included the standard gauge private company trains
02:44:44 <supermop> and tokyo subway trains
02:45:09 <supermop> like ginza and maranouchi 3rd rail metros
02:45:25 <supermop> wish it was in 2cc too
02:46:03 <supermop> or maybe i just played so many games with japan set in the past i can no longer handle it
02:46:38 <Sylf> I've pretty much stopped playing with japan set since version 3 :(
02:47:01 <supermop> odd because when i play with japan set i feel "too many EMUs"
02:47:15 <supermop> when i play any other set i feel "not enough EMUs"
02:47:47 <Sylf> and the number of emus represented in the set is nowhere near half complete the real thing XD
02:48:09 <supermop> also i use 103s everywhere
02:48:24 <supermop> and those hokkaido blue fast DMUs
02:48:37 <Sylf> 103 was once my fav train
02:49:03 <Sylf> It was my symbol of Tokyo trains, as we didn't have 103s near where we lived
02:49:21 <supermop> i've only rode on nara line circa 2005
02:50:14 <supermop> when i was in tokyo didnt see any there
02:50:35 <Sylf> nah, 103s are too old by now
02:50:39 <supermop> they had some old orange trains on chuo line but i think they were different?
02:50:59 <supermop> by the time i was there in 2009 the orange ones were gone
02:51:18 <Sylf> yup, all replaced by newer gen stainless body trains
02:52:00 <supermop> also once in 2004 i got a reserved green car seat on some nice train on chuo line from tokyo to shinjuku and never saw such a thing again
02:52:25 <Sylf> I've never rode on any green cars yet
02:53:03 <supermop> had walked to tokyo from nishi shinjuku via yotsuya akihabara and other areas and feet were really tired
02:54:04 <supermop> went to ticket counter to reserve seats on shinkansen for the next day, and mentioned was heading back to shinjuku now, and guy reserved us these fancy seats that departed in like 8 min
02:54:14 <supermop> we had green JR Pass so it was free
02:54:35 <supermop> also that first trip they still had series 0 shinkansesns
02:54:55 <supermop> by my last trip in 2013 i only saw 700 and n700 everywhere
02:55:06 <Sylf> Yeah. not even 500 anymore
02:55:18 <Sylf> I never got the chance to ride on 500
02:56:00 <supermop> i saw one once in a station in 2004
02:56:23 <supermop> that trip i only rode 300
02:56:31 <Sylf> By the time I saw it for the first and only time, they only ran 500 west of Osaka
02:57:39 <supermop> never gone east of tokyo so i have never seen any of the green striped units
02:57:40 <JezK> ooh i rode a 500 this year
02:57:52 <JezK> i got on the wrong train i think
02:58:07 <JezK> well it was the right train, but i had the wrong ticket
02:58:19 <JezK> fortunately it didn't get checked
02:58:30 <supermop> must have been a short ride
02:59:02 <supermop> haha shinkansen is a bit overkill for that
02:59:29 <supermop> i rode kyoto to kobe once
02:59:32 <JezK> argh i want to go back, i miss good trains
02:59:50 <supermop> then had to switch to a hikari railstar 700
02:59:51 <JezK> i haven't been to kobe, i need to go there on my next trip
03:00:12 <Sylf> What's there to do in Kobe?
03:00:25 <supermop> to continue to hakata because jr pass doesnt let you take nozomi
03:00:29 <JezK> hmm i hear the architecture is interesting
03:00:54 <supermop> my brother's friend's family has a sock company there
03:01:48 <supermop> one of the best shinkansen experiences ive had was in 2009 i stayed in the jr hotel in jr kyoto station
03:01:54 <Sylf> I thought taking hikari was pretty fun last time we used rail pass
03:02:02 <Sylf> so many foreign tourists
03:02:30 <supermop> and got a east facing room so could watch shinkansens pulling in and leaving in the morning
03:02:31 <JezK> i got the hikari from kyoto down to kagoshima, that was long
03:02:53 <supermop> yeah gaijin like us are stuck on the slow trains
03:02:59 <Sylf> oh man, that sure is long
03:03:29 <supermop> when i went hakata to tokyo, basically wasted a whole day
03:03:49 <JezK> kagoshima is really nice, then hydrofoil to yakushima which is amazing
03:04:14 <Sylf> I've never been west of Hiroshima
03:04:34 <JezK> gotta make use of the JR pass
03:04:47 <JezK> i haven't been north east of tokyo, that's on the agenda for next time
03:04:50 <Sylf> When I go to Japan, I spend time with family, not traveling :P
03:05:06 <supermop> best part of kyushu is ramen in hakata
03:05:36 <supermop> Sylf: well now if you live abroad you can buy the jr pass
03:05:51 <Sylf> yes, I've used it once with my daughter
03:06:10 <Sylf> went to hiroshima with it, and did more travel that time
03:06:14 <JezK> I need to go to tashirojima (cat island) near sendai
03:06:41 <supermop> haha i just built a metro station called 'mantyla hardware store'
03:06:45 <Sylf> I want to go to sapporo snow/ice fest one of these days.
03:06:59 <JezK> Sylf, i'd love to do that, but i hear it gets packed out
03:07:07 <supermop> i'm sure the commuters will find that name helpfull
03:07:17 <Sylf> festival is only half of my fun
03:07:30 <Sylf> train ride there is the other half
03:07:46 <JezK> yeah, do you go skiing/snowboarding?
03:08:05 <JezK> I tried it for the first time this year, so fun
03:08:11 <Sylf> last time I went there, got the package ticket for train and ski
03:08:29 <JezK> only 3 days in hakuba, but it was great
03:09:13 <Sylf> it was the first time my daughter skiing away from home, and sprained her knee at the end of the day.
03:09:22 <Sylf> best topic of conversation :P
03:09:39 <supermop> i regret not going up to japan while living over here...
03:09:52 <supermop> flight is still long but no jet lag
03:10:00 <JezK> supermop, where are you?
03:10:02 <supermop> flying from new york is brutal
03:10:17 <JezK> ahh, yeah i am in sydney
03:10:24 <JezK> aus to japan isn't so bad
03:10:28 <supermop> move back to NYC in 2 weeks
03:10:38 <Sylf> yeah. I fly from detroit to nagoya, so I know those long flights
03:10:55 <supermop> i've done detroit-narita
03:11:21 <supermop> last time i did jfk-haneda, sooo long
03:11:22 <Sylf> seattle-narita was actually nice
03:11:58 <supermop> Sylf: that sounds too short, i would be unprepared after only 9 hours!
03:12:17 <supermop> next time i will probably go via honolulu though
03:12:22 <Sylf> Maybe it's too short for those who can sleep
03:12:28 <supermop> as fiance has family there
03:12:35 <supermop> oh i never sleep on planes
03:12:38 <Sylf> my daughter's been begging me to do that
03:12:53 <supermop> HNL is basically already japan
03:13:13 <supermop> maybe more japanese people than okinawa!
03:13:20 <Sylf> Basically? I thought it was actual.
03:13:56 <supermop> the city itselgf is large majority japanese, as are most other towns on oahu
03:14:22 <supermop> hnl has some okinawan, korean, and chinese people too but much less
03:14:36 <supermop> and then white and black americans very very few
03:14:45 <Sylf> I hear a Japanese person can have a full Hawaiian vacation without speaking a word of English
03:15:23 <supermop> a lot of local hawaiians could probably have a full week in oahu speaking only japanese
03:15:54 <supermop> most non-asians on oahu live on north shore
03:16:23 <supermop> but even up there the towns were historically japanese
03:18:28 <supermop> i wish ukrs would let my put a little diesel on the end of this 3rd rail emu
03:18:50 <supermop> can't afford to electrify tail end of branch line
04:07:54 <supermop> should probably get back to doing something productive
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10:25:26 <supermop> 3rd rail diesel dude should be able to push emus
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10:55:13 <Pikka> who's 3rd rail diesel dude?
11:05:14 <Pikka> if the rail set defines 3rd rail as able to run on non-electrified track
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11:08:42 <supermop> i have it currently sandwiching 4 cars, on the front with a type ha on the rear
11:09:16 <supermop> but when i try to have it push a brel emu it says the emu can only attach standard cars
11:10:19 <Pikka> oh, that consist limit thing
11:12:09 <supermop> i can see limiting what goes between the end cars,
11:12:48 <supermop> but surely the cab ends have couplers that could connect to a locomotive or different class emu/dmu
11:13:14 <supermop> (also tried a half 3rd rail emu, half dmu train)
11:13:17 <Pikka> are you talking "realism", or OpenTTD?
11:14:23 <Pikka> OpenTTD I don't think it's possible to limit only what goes between the end cars
11:14:37 <Pikka> but any consist limitation is a bad "realism" feature anyway.
11:19:54 <Supercheese> just stick the invisible leading engine in front of it
11:20:01 <Supercheese> should remove the "cannot attach" problem
11:20:14 <Supercheese> presuming you have that grf loaded anyhow
11:23:26 <supermop> you guys remember that video that guy made of some kind of shunting patch?
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19:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27318 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt (2015-06-25 19:45:13 +0200 )
19:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:45:19 <DorpsGek> frisian - 9 changes by BAJansen
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20:06:29 <andythenorth> people do not play the train game in summer
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20:34:11 <Supercheese> train game plays you
20:40:25 <andythenorth> only in Soviet Russia
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21:09:24 * andythenorth has zero feature requests
21:09:27 <andythenorth> it is a safe place
21:10:54 <frosch123> does someone have a greasemonkey script that hides all forums topics/posts with the R-word?
21:11:13 <andythenorth> why do you want to hide his posts?
21:11:23 <planetmaker> nah, the R-word is B*elugas ;)
21:12:05 <andythenorth> doesn’t begin with R :o
21:12:37 <frosch123> the R word is becoming quite annoying lately
21:12:59 <frosch123> must be because belugas is no longer visiting the forums and kicking people's ass
21:13:31 <frosch123> dalestan gone, belugas gone... who is going to tell the douchebags that they are douchebags?
21:13:40 <andythenorth> we have a pretty severe influx of newbies atm
21:13:48 <andythenorth> the reddit effect?
21:13:54 <andythenorth> I think a lot of them are young
21:14:02 <andythenorth> I don’t want to bully them tbh
21:14:26 <andythenorth> although also, I got my ass kicked verbally enough times by adults when I was a teenager
21:14:35 <andythenorth> made me the person I am today
21:14:38 <andythenorth> talking to myself
21:15:05 <frosch123> yup, did no harm to you :p
21:16:43 <planetmaker> I really should invite myself to your place somewhen, andythenorth ;)
21:17:32 <frosch123> just offer to bring some lego :)
21:17:41 * andythenorth does not do real world interaction
21:18:24 <andythenorth> except with my children, other people’s children, the parents of those children, my own parents, my in-laws, people I employee, customers, people in shops, healthcare professionals, taxi drivers, and random strangers
21:18:37 <andythenorth> and, occasionally, my brother
21:19:58 <andythenorth> frosch123: what you need
21:20:11 <andythenorth> a nice one, but making the point
21:20:42 <planetmaker> did you meet R when he was in England?
21:21:13 <andythenorth> I should have bought him a drink, but my kids had injections that day and it wasn’t a thing that could happen
21:23:05 <frosch123> planetmaker: the other day you mentioned some desync
21:23:08 <frosch123> anything happened to that?
21:23:48 <planetmaker> frosch123, oh, good reminder. Nothing happend with it. But data are on our server still
21:28:02 <planetmaker> I guess I could try to get them off there or do you have login, still?
21:29:39 <planetmaker> it took surprisingly little time to get one logged, like 15 minutes game time or so
21:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> I think a lot of them are young <-- statistically, new people born into this world will be younger than you are.
21:32:15 <frosch123> sometimes your second wife is younger than your children
21:32:36 <frosch123> planetmaker: as usual, likely i have access, but don't know where :p
21:35:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not enough experience with second wives to judge that
21:37:34 <planetmaker> frosch123, nearly the case with my boss :P
21:39:46 <planetmaker> frosch123, ssh -p11022 openttd@games.openttdcoop.org
21:43:02 <frosch123> planetmaker: there are some files from 2015-06-16
21:43:05 <frosch123> but i see no start game
21:48:55 <planetmaker> frosch123, in the savegame dir (not autosave) there's desync_start from the same date
21:49:11 <planetmaker> and yes, the date is right
21:49:13 <frosch123> yup, saw it in the logs
21:49:55 <planetmaker> sorry for delay... my home router seems to be at the end of its life :P
21:50:21 <frosch123> likely it is infested with all kinds of malware
22:02:07 * andythenorth wonders what would happen if we just stopped the date display incremementing?
22:02:25 <andythenorth> and/or rolled over to same day when enough ticks have passed
22:02:31 <andythenorth> Groundhog Day mode
22:07:25 * andythenorth has been playing for 30 game years with no new vehicles
22:12:38 <Wolf01> hey that was my daylength idea
22:13:18 <Taede> will the day advance to the next eventually?
22:14:19 * andythenorth doesn’t claim credit
22:14:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: i think someone made a patch to repeat the same year like 5 times
22:15:01 <andythenorth> I had one that eddi made but denies knowledge of :)
22:15:21 <frosch123> it only broke the finance history, like the date cheat, but who cares about finances :)
22:15:47 <andythenorth> the history is crap anyway
22:15:53 <andythenorth> it’s got little use
22:16:02 <andythenorth> I guess there are the profit graphs and such
22:16:40 <andythenorth> “what OpenTTD needs is a full double-entry accounting system”
22:16:47 <andythenorth> said no-one I want to know, ever
22:16:53 <frosch123> i actually don't know why the history breaks when using the datecheat
22:17:04 <frosch123> iirc it just shifts the data along some array every year
22:17:46 <andythenorth> less code, fewer bugs
22:17:53 <andythenorth> more room for new features...
22:18:54 <andythenorth> “less code = fewer bugs”. Try applying that to…input validation. Or edge-case guards.
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