IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-05-28
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07:12:22 <solatis> jesus, setting up a self-regulating network with cargo is extremely complicated
07:26:13 <solatis> feels a lot like coding ASM :)
07:28:34 <solatis> now if someone could please implement labels in order lists, i would be very happy :)
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07:43:43 <Pikka> guten morgen and custard
07:46:25 <Pikka> andythenorth, my AI assumes that passengers are cargo 0, hooray :)
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08:43:04 <Flygon> solatis: Shh, you're gonna make the Sonic hacking community dig deeper
08:43:09 <Flygon> And release Sonic 1/2 disasms
08:49:34 <supermop> good afternoon for a beer in melbourne
08:50:53 <peter1138> supermop, always is
08:54:01 <solatis> Flygon: well really, labels are almost necessary at this point. i'm creating loops in my order lists just the way you would create loops in ASM
08:54:26 <solatis> it just really is more of "jump to line X" instead of "jump to label X", in which a label would be so much more clear.. :/
08:54:30 <supermop> peter1138: true, but some days are more of an ale day
08:55:01 <supermop> and others are more of a different type of ale day
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10:17:57 <solatis> anyone has any pointers on good techniques to distribute cargo over multiple destination stations in a single order list, without using CargoDist ?
10:18:29 <solatis> for example, i am looking for something similar like a round-robin technique
10:19:24 <solatis> or alternatively, an 'unload only X cargo' instruction
10:22:20 <solatis> ohhh i just thought of such a dirty hack
10:22:27 <solatis> i could use a train's age
10:22:58 <solatis> go to order 1 if age < 5, go to order 2 if age < 10, go to order 3 if age < x, else replace vehicle
10:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling you're overcomplicating things
10:26:16 <solatis> well i'm trying to make a self-regulating network
10:26:24 <solatis> OF COURSE i'm overcomplicating things
10:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't the idea of a self-regulating network based on there being only one single order in the order list, and everything else guided by signals?
10:33:37 <peter1138> supermop, no argument there, as my recycling bin of empty ale bottles shows...
10:34:19 <solatis> Eddi|zuHause: hmm that's a different version than i've been reading
10:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not thinking anything, because every time such a discussion comes up i skip over it...
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11:07:22 <supermop> off to a kiwi beer place for that ale
11:07:41 <supermop> no longer afternoon though
12:08:50 <Pokka> why is my AI's one-way road building failing?
12:08:58 <Pokka> no error or crash, just nothing happening.
12:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if nothing is happening, i first chech whether i run the same copy as i edited
12:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> then i add debug statements whether the piece of code is actually executed
12:12:58 <Pokka> now it works, but something weird happened :D
12:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause> at least weird you can debug :)
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12:44:47 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 604.16
12:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 590*1.024**2
12:45:11 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 618.65984
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18:20:04 <frosch123> someone uploaded a screenshot in tif format :o
18:21:05 <Alberth> A really simplistic copy/paste tool?
18:21:47 <frosch123> i don't see i have seen that format in the past 15 years
18:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> man, the youtube suggestion algorithm is terrible...
18:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if you watch a few videos of the same style, all it suggests then is more videos of that style.
18:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you'll never watch anything interesting after that, because once you exhausted that area, it keeps sending you in loops
18:33:32 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: clear all your history every day and change ips
18:33:46 <frosch123> then you know that you at least watch better stuff than the average
18:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that only helps if you're not actually logged into your google account :p
18:34:56 <frosch123> i do not even have a google account
18:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i made one when $someone decided that hosting the tracking table on google was a good idea
18:56:44 <frosch123> someone here knows hebrew?
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19:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing i know about hebrew is that they reconstructed the dead language because the choices of speaking german (yiddish) or russian, which were the most common languages spoken by jews, were both terrible at the time of the foundation of israel
19:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and meanwhile it's just filled with english loanwords
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19:25:52 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27294 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2015-05-28 19:25:46 +0200 )
19:25:53 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Invalid plural references in various translations.
19:26:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27295 /trunk/src (strgen/strgen_base.cpp table/strgen_tables.h) (2015-05-28 19:26:53 +0200 )
19:26:57 <DorpsGek> -Add: [strgen] Default plural subparameter positions for CARGO_xxx string control codes.
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19:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that commit message means
19:38:20 <frosch123> maybe try rerandomising the position of "plural"
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20:19:07 <andythenorth> quiet forums are quiet
20:35:12 <Wolf01> how does one could tell exactly if a song is rock or metal?
20:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> how does one tell exactly whether a colour is green or blue?
20:38:29 <Wolf01> indeed, if you look at a water body you can easily it's both green and blue
20:41:08 <frosch123> i fear it's the i-like-trains agani :p
20:41:23 <andythenorth> it’s not a rick-roll either :)
20:41:32 <andythenorth> we are all the I-like-trains-kid :P
20:41:49 <Wolf01> eh, it seem rock to me, but also metal and punk seem rock to me
20:41:59 <Wolf01> maybe because they are derived from rock
20:42:18 <frosch123> how about ska then?
20:42:23 <andythenorth> it’s all blues :P
20:42:57 <Taede> its like sorting fog into boxes
20:43:11 <andythenorth> what if it’s rock before 1988 and metal afterwards?
20:43:22 <andythenorth> I dunno, time-based predicates seem to bother people
20:43:36 <andythenorth> my philosophy of language lecturer seemed to think they were mind-blowing
20:43:46 <andythenorth> which says a lot about philosophy
20:43:51 * andythenorth did not like philosophy
20:44:20 <Wolf01> andythenorth, my coworker is going to legoland this weekend, what could he buy for me? I was thinking about the mini cooper so I can put it alongside the VW camper
20:45:01 * andythenorth has few opinions on lego currently
20:45:07 <frosch123> [20:43] <andythenorth> what if it’s rock before 1988 and metal afterwards? <- i also had a thought along that :p
20:45:11 <andythenorth> other than “there is too much in my house"
20:45:45 <Wolf01> in my house too, because I need to stuff everything on my bedroom
20:46:03 <andythenorth> just 11 FIRS industries still coded via ‘methods of shame'
20:46:15 * andythenorth should fix some more
20:48:24 <andythenorth> so (the problem): with FIRS on hilly maps, industries tend to concentrate in flat spots
20:48:43 <andythenorth> (possible cause): many industries use a tile-may-not-be-sloped check
20:48:55 <andythenorth> this is to prevent breaking graphics by building tiles at different heights
20:49:09 <andythenorth> (possible solution): different check, all tiles must be same height as N tile
20:49:31 <andythenorth> if a tile is sloped foundations will be shown if needed
20:49:45 <andythenorth> (implementation problem): dunno how to implement that
20:53:47 <andythenorth> it’s non-trivial, because the tile height is the lowest corner
20:53:57 <andythenorth> but buildings are drawn at the highest corner
20:54:23 <andythenorth> and there is no trivial way to get the tile height of the N tile, it has to be a calculated offset from current tile
21:20:38 <Wolf01> you might need some pattern recognition, but the only ones are really good at it are humans
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