IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-02-20
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00:16:08 <ST2> but I believe most of the ppl is sleeping now ^^
00:16:28 <samu> do you understand this game code?
00:16:31 <ST2> a bit of all, without knowing much
00:16:50 <ST2> as you could see, busy :)
00:17:15 <ST2> but helps a bunch if you learn C++ basics
00:21:15 <glx> <samu> how do i build a ship depot that maintains the owner of canals? <-- you can't unless there's enough free bits in the map array
00:32:09 <glx> m3 and m4 seem free for MP_WATER tiles
00:38:37 <glx> you can check trunk/docs/landscape.html and trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html
00:40:57 <glx> seems it should be possible to store canal owner for ship depot and docks
00:49:59 <samu> at that grid, I look at class 6, it's MP_WATER
02:08:06 <wjdp> Hi I'm trying to work out why some engines cannot be autoreplaced with others. I've read the wiki page but can't seem to find anything.
02:08:46 <wjdp> I cannot autoreplace a CS 4000 (D) with a Centennial (D), the 'Start replacing vehicles' button is greyed out
02:09:01 <wjdp> The game will allow me to replace them with Turner Turbos
02:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the replacements cannot be circular, so check whether somewhere you have set a replacement the other way around
02:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> also check different groups
02:13:26 <wjdp> Ah, it was circular. Thanks!
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03:13:33 <supermop> sorry Pikka ran out to buy a coping saw
03:16:33 <supermop> i'm doing fine, the saw, not so well
03:17:53 <supermop> lets say i have a white coffee grinder, and it was sold for a few years with a green switch, then a few years with a red switch
03:18:30 <supermop> should the switch be CC? should green and red be specific liveries?
03:20:45 <supermop> i find i have to render all views of a tram simultaneously now with this photometric renderer to get the tones consistent
03:21:20 <supermop> otherwise it lightens up the \ views and darkens the / views
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03:23:24 <lopoert> GIVE ME FREEDOM RIGHT NOW!! STOP CENSORSHIP. TOR PROJECT HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. YOU ARE SHITHOLES. VEL.OPE IS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
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03:46:37 <supermop> are sprite sheets possible for 32bpp sprites or does each one need to be on its own?
03:46:45 <VELOPESHIT__FRESPECH_NSA> GIVE ME FREEDOM RIGHT NOW!! STOP CENSORSHIP. TOR PROJECT HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. YOU ARE SHITHOLES. VEL.OPE IS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
03:46:48 <VELOPESHIT__FRESPECH_NSA> GIVE ME FREEDOM RIGHT NOW!! STOP CENSORSHIP. TOR PROJECT HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. YOU ARE SHITHOLES. VEL.OPE IS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
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03:54:11 <VELOPESHIT__FRESPECH_NSA> GIVE ME FREEDOM RIGHT NOW!! STOP CENSORSHIP. TOR PROJECT HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. YOU ARE SHITHOLES. VEL.OPE IS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
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05:52:24 <supermop> should I make a spreadsheet somewhere of information about these?
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05:58:24 <chillcore> supermop: about coffeegrinder ...
05:58:45 <chillcore> liveries change over time, company colours do not ;)
05:59:16 <chillcore> if they do it is only because of the player actively changing it
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06:06:57 <supermop> but - lets say the store had some old griders and then got a new shipment in - if I walk in there i could choose which color I wanted
06:07:26 <supermop> but if i bought an old one with a green switch, i will not rush out to buy a new one with a red one later?
06:08:40 <chillcore> I suppose you code in a mask to be used, given the right offsets and composition
06:09:11 <chillcore> configurable in the newgrf config ... I would not do it using cc
06:13:13 <chillcore> unless ofcourse you want cc to be the choice of colour and not have it change over time ... hmm
06:14:09 <chillcore> can you even overwrite cc? ... questions question ;)
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06:16:53 <Flygon_> It'd be neat to buy a copper bridge or building
06:17:02 <Flygon_> And have it turn Gold to Green
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06:21:45 * chillcore wonders how long it would take the copper thieves ...
06:21:56 <chillcore> would be cool though
06:23:33 <Flygon> A Flinders Street Station GRF would be cool
06:23:42 <Flygon> So many people don't know the domes were originally GOLD :D
06:23:53 <Flygon> They turned green in 15 years 'course
06:25:49 <chillcore> them lazy polishers ... :P
06:40:06 <Pikka> <supermop> are sprite sheets possible for 32bpp sprites or does each one need to be on its own? <-- any format is possible, the sprite definitions in nfo/nml are no different between 8bpp and 32bpp (or normal and ez). But providing sprites the same size / format as you already have would be easiest for me to code :P
06:54:50 <chillcore> them lazy coders ... :P
07:19:40 * chillcore gets ready to give some more peeps a gentle-ish wake up call ... IRL.
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07:24:11 <V453000> LOL FUCK ME I had a model of the pillars rotated by 5 degrees by accident XD
07:24:21 <V453000> lets see how it works when done properly :D
07:29:59 <V453000> of course it fixed everything :)
07:35:07 <V453000> nice :> bridges ready to model
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08:58:00 <planetmaker> supermop, to answer your earlier question: 32bpp sprites are treated wrt spritesheets about the same as 8bpp
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09:18:43 <Pikka> chillcore> can you even overwrite cc? ... questions question ;) <- you can apply different recolour sprites via newgrf in 8bpp, don't know about 32bpp. :)
09:19:44 <Pikka> supermop: cc masking is "not too hard" as far as code goes. making the sprites line up and look nice is where it gets painful. :)
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10:22:07 <V453000> supermop: just see NUTS / RAWR repository ... I have way larger sprite sheets than one might consider healthy :D
10:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i think "healthy" is probably long out of the window by the time you join this channel :p
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11:01:43 <chillcore> Pikka: I forgot about that black company colour newgrf for a minute. Thx. another question still remains ... can I overwrite the company mask for a specific sprite instead of all via newgrf? not that I would do this but would be nice to know
11:03:39 <chillcore> supermop wanted to know about different liveries or cc for sprite choice.
11:04:30 <peter1138> Just do CC properly ;(
11:04:43 <Pikka> see, for example, the multicoloured boxcars in NARS or the "real world" UKRS liveries.
11:05:09 <chillcore> the log is not long peter ;) and yes I agree
11:05:42 <peter1138> Still a patch around for that somewhere...
11:06:30 <chillcore> 4:46 today peter ... if you are curious that is. anyhoo
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11:26:11 * chillcore ponders throwing in negative nrs at some point ... later, much, much later :P
11:55:41 <chillcore> hmm strange things happen when your mind drifts away ... I was thinking ... a find Waldo minigame. his hat can be in 'magic' company colours and has a counter on how many times you found him.
11:55:54 <chillcore> only available on those really special days
11:56:34 <chillcore> back to not drifting mode
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12:31:03 <NGC3982> Is there any reason shared tracks are not yet implemented?
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12:32:13 <planetmaker> time, effort and mostly the indecision on how to treat the interaction in edge cases: who is in control of a train? what to do during bancruptcy?
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12:32:50 <__ln___> NGC3982: in short, unwillingness to have shared tracks.
12:33:24 <planetmaker> I'd not say that, __ln___
12:35:36 <__ln___> shared tracks are not a new idea, and if there was true desire to implement them, it would have been done already in the past 11 years.
12:36:49 <Pikka> shared tracks are implemented perfectly well: just play in the same company.
12:37:23 <__ln___> that's what i do because there is no alternative.
12:40:07 <V453000> shared tracks just have so many disadvantages
12:40:18 <V453000> you need to be able to stop, reroute, ... the trains which run on your tracks
12:44:12 <__ln___> sure, but all this could have been resolved in 11 years.
12:44:53 <V453000> it is solved as Pikka says
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13:03:32 <andythenorth> no rains of frogs?
13:04:01 <Pikka> not at the moment. calm before the frogs.
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13:07:29 <Pikka> still looking for jobs, I thought things would pick up a bit after the election/australia day, but they haven't...
13:09:15 <Pikka> If I depart Karawatha at 1500Hrs is it possible to be on time for a 1525Hrs departure from Ferny Grove?
13:14:47 <Pikka> the answer to that question btw is "no, unless there's no-one else available in which case head on up mate and let me know when you're nearly there".
13:14:56 <planetmaker> Pikka, I find that actually a clever question to add in that place :)
13:15:25 <planetmaker> I don't parse your answer, though
13:16:09 <andythenorth> “no you can’t make it any time, but it might be better to go anyway and be late, rather than not go at all"
13:16:23 <andythenorth> this typing problem of mine is getting ridiculous
13:16:53 <V453000> make pixels not letters
13:17:17 * andythenorth invents TrainDoom
13:17:21 <planetmaker> ok, I can understand that sentence. Thanks, andythenorth :)
13:17:23 <andythenorth> it’s like Doom, but with trains
13:17:31 <Pikka> sounds like a sure-fire winner
13:17:50 <andythenorth> what is gameplay?
13:18:54 * andythenorth probably can’t spend a year making a really nice little mobile transport game, to sell for £3.99
13:19:03 <andythenorth> but /me can spend since 2008 making FIRS :P
13:19:09 <V453000> well if you sell a million copies :)
13:19:56 <andythenorth> no pay-to-play, no DLC; straight-forward shareware like Doom, 1/3 of the game is free, the other 2/3 paid for
13:20:36 <V453000> better make a good decision which 1/3rd is which :P
13:20:56 <andythenorth> no badges, no level up, no ‘log in to facebook to share with your friends'
13:21:11 <Pikka> andythenorth, I have the trains if you have the game :)
13:21:38 <chillcore> achievments are cool though
13:21:39 <andythenorth> just because all the casual games companies (and EA) are doing pay-to-play and DLC, doesn’t make it right
13:21:57 <andythenorth> my five year old plays casual games incessantly, but loves Minecraft and OpenTTD the most
13:22:22 <V453000> dont make him see Factorio
13:22:42 <V453000> it is even better than minecraft and even more wtf-it-is-half-past-five-in-the-morning-again
13:23:02 <andythenorth> half-past-five is getting up time V453000
13:23:13 <andythenorth> I see more half-past-five than you would want to :|
13:23:15 <V453000> yes or going to bed if you are playing factorio
13:23:30 * andythenorth wonders when V453000 will have children
13:23:37 <V453000> in a couple of years most likely
13:23:37 <andythenorth> and if they will get 3D-printed slugs
13:23:47 <andythenorth> have you considered 3D printing any NUTS models?
13:23:51 <V453000> eh, we have snails as pets :P african snails
13:24:06 <V453000> nope, it isnt like I have any solid 3D models for NUTS yet anyway
13:24:56 <V453000> you should get your kids a giant snail as wel
13:25:16 <V453000> no noise, no mess, is quite funny, can be taken in hand
13:25:38 <V453000> and you can hope you can avoid the "dad I want a dog" case XD
13:31:45 <andythenorth> long time since I made that :P
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13:49:33 <andythenorth> 5 year old took my laptop away to play that game
13:49:37 <andythenorth> just got him off it
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14:16:21 <V453000> is there any actual reason to make the "bottom" sprites of bridges reduced by anything?
14:16:32 <V453000> since the only thing visible in those "reduced" parts is the overlay anyway
14:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand the question
14:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what is "reduced"?
14:22:28 <V453000> imagine rendered bridge
14:22:37 <V453000> that is the main sprite, below trains
14:22:47 <V453000> then there is the overlay, a cut out part to be on top of vehicles
14:23:10 <V453000> so I am wondering if there is any reason to make the main sprite without the overlay
14:23:26 <V453000> in fact it is easier not to do that since I need the shadows/whatever from it anyway
14:25:09 <planetmaker> you can draw the main sprite as the full bridge, yes
14:25:26 <planetmaker> then draw tracks on top, draw vehicles on top, and then the overlay
14:25:49 <planetmaker> the tricky part is to cut appropriately that the overlay is really what's on top and foreground only :)
14:26:28 <V453000> nah that isnt so hard :)
14:39:46 <samu> marktiledirty, is this only for painting? can it change who owns the tile?
14:45:07 <samu> MakeShipDepot(tile, _current_company, depot->index, DEPOT_PART_NORTH, axis, wc1);
14:46:02 <samu> I need to keep the owner of the canal tile a ship depot is built upon
14:46:20 <planetmaker> samu, that's a painting function
14:47:10 <samu> if for example, canal owner is self, then ship depot belongs to self, and canal still belongs to self
14:47:27 <samu> if canal owner is competitor, then ship depot belongs to self, and canal tile belongs to competitor
14:47:45 <samu> if canal owner is neutral, ship depot belongs to self, canal tile belongs to neutral
14:48:17 <samu> then upon removing ship depot, same rules apply
14:48:31 <samu> removes depot, maintains canal owner
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14:52:39 <samu> glx told me about tile array
14:52:44 <samu> but no idea what he means
14:54:04 <samu> i have the impression i need to store extra information in some free bit, but I don't really know how to do it
14:54:32 <samu> tried reading the documentation, but I don't understand "bit" "byte"
14:54:49 <chillcore> samu you are making it way too complicated maybe?
14:55:32 <chillcore> your goal is to have river tiles to always be rivertiles when things are unbuilt? right?
14:55:49 <chillcore> except when terraforming is involved
14:56:26 <samu> there is a "bug" when I build a ship depot on a canal with no owner
14:56:43 <samu> I don't want that to happen
14:57:09 <samu> the canal owner is supposed to be unchanged
14:57:38 <chillcore> hmm they could become owner none like bridges maybe yes ...
14:57:52 <samu> i also want to allow ship depots to be built on competitors' canals
14:58:03 <samu> it currently doesn't let me do that
14:58:11 <samu> says owned by competitor
14:58:15 <chillcore> there is a road setting for that ... maybe have a look at stealing code
14:58:55 <samu> too complex for me without guidance
14:59:11 <samu> i looked upon a similar case with road stops
14:59:21 <samu> but that code is toooooo large for me to follow
15:00:44 <chillcore> I don't understand half neither ;) the trees become forest in time
15:01:15 <samu> building a bus stop on a competitor road is currently possible
15:01:26 <samu> building a ship depot on a competitor canal is not
15:01:33 <samu> and that's what I'm trying to do
15:01:50 <chillcore> maybe open a FS# then if there is none already
15:02:01 <samu> oh, so I won't work on this code?
15:02:23 <chillcore> you are the tester and you see behaviour
15:03:24 <samu> i can see a problem when attempting to come with a fix
15:03:41 <samu> how would the depot owner be able to remove that depot?
15:04:16 <samu> to remove a bus stop on a competitor road, demolish button won't let me do it
15:04:51 <chillcore> hmm depot ... no that is not a vry good idea ... I thought you meant harbour ... you are comparing ships with depots
15:05:08 <samu> but it can be removed with the "toggle remove" button
15:05:14 <chillcore> station I mean instead of ships
15:05:20 <samu> there is no "toggle remove" button for swater construction
15:07:09 <samu> I could report this as a bug, but it's probably not a bug as it stands right now
15:07:17 <samu> it's more like an omission
15:09:03 <samu> maybe report as feature request?
15:10:01 <samu> you've mention stations, well, dock behaves similar to depot
15:10:24 <samu> if the canal is from a competitor, I can't build a dock there
15:11:03 <samu> if the canal has no owner, building a dock will make that canal become yours
15:11:37 <chillcore> hmm feature request maybe yes, it is possible be that it was overlooked but there may be a very valid reason I don't know about.
15:11:40 <samu> removing the dock afterwards you notice that canal as being yours
15:12:07 <chillcore> that is a bugreport
15:12:18 <chillcore> make it seperate from the other ;)
15:13:22 <samu> while it's separate, they are all tied together in the end, but ok
15:21:30 <samu> interesting, buoys can be built on competitor canals
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16:16:41 <samu> and now... I'm stuck! I don't know what to do
16:19:28 <planetmaker> samu, canals usually do have an owner
16:19:39 <planetmaker> they only can have owner 'none', if its owner bancrupts
16:19:52 <planetmaker> thus if you claim the canal, it's just fair that you then pay for it, too
16:20:41 <samu> it's not consistent with the other parts
16:21:50 <planetmaker> 1.2 might be considered a bug, though
16:22:12 <planetmaker> as it also has potential to cause griefing
16:22:48 <planetmaker> anyhow, now that you spend so much time on this issue: why not write the bug fix(es) yourself?
16:23:10 <planetmaker> each of the issues as a nice, small, separate fix.
16:23:25 <planetmaker> don't invent the jack-of-all-trades fix. keep it small, keep it simple. one step at a time
16:24:31 <samu> i heard i need a map tile array free bit something like that
16:24:56 <samu> but i dunno how to proceed
16:24:57 <planetmaker> water should have plenty
16:26:05 <planetmaker> file:///home/$USER/ottd-trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html <-- that link won't work for you, but there you find bit info for tile types
16:26:47 <samu> yes, i've looked at it, but really, no idea what I can do with that information
16:28:37 <planetmaker> it tells you which parts are still free to store owner info.
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17:18:54 <samu> if (!Depot::CanAllocateItem()) return CMD_ERROR; - is this the problem?
17:19:31 <samu> it doesn't let me build a ship depot on canals owned by competitor, is this where it originates the error?
17:19:56 <samu> how does the game know which depot is it gonna build?
17:21:30 <Alberth> that only happens if there are tooooo many depots
17:22:09 <Alberth> ie there is no room to store another in memory, or you ran into some limit
17:22:29 <Alberth> shouldn't happen in practice
17:26:46 <samu> assertion error when i disable that line
17:27:38 <samu> line 139 of core\pool_func.hpp
17:27:50 <Alberth> assertions check things that should never ever happen, or the code will do bad things
17:28:03 <samu> hmm, then how do I allow it to build?
17:28:27 <Alberth> thus if you manage to trigger it, you made a mistake somewhere, or it is a bug in the code
17:29:05 <Alberth> you solve assertions by failing to trigger them, ie fix the code so it passes the check
17:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: if that line causes your error, then you probably have an endless recursion or something
17:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (i mean the allocate line)
17:31:28 <samu> ok, bringing back the line
17:33:35 <samu> wanna change the behaviour
17:36:35 <chillcore> Thank you. Kimberly ;)
17:37:03 <samu> okay, I navigated into depot_base.h
17:37:11 <samu> game is treating road, train and ship depots as equal
17:37:41 <samu> ship depots are to become different
17:38:20 <samu> want to let them to be built on any canal, no matter the owner
17:39:28 <Alberth> can a competitor ship pass through a depot?
17:39:47 <samu> it currently does that already
17:40:23 <samu> let me verify, just in case...
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17:45:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27156 trunk/src/lang/traditional_chinese.txt (2015-02-20 17:45:21 UTC)
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17:49:03 <samu> static inline void MakeShipDepot(TileIndex t, Owner o, DepotID did, DepotPart part, Axis a, WaterClass original_water_class)
17:50:07 <samu> so that's where I can store owners?
17:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> a griefer could still place the depot 90° rotated to block a canal
17:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: yes. but you also need to adapt the functions that read the owner
17:51:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (or add a new one, like GetDepotOwner(tile))
17:54:02 <chillcore> hmm could you destroy someone elses depot on your canal, with everything in it, too?
17:54:32 <chillcore> just thinking out loud ...
17:57:07 <samu> it's not even possible to build a depot on someone's else canal
17:57:18 <samu> exception is if the canal has no owner
17:57:36 <samu> but that turns the canal as yours
17:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, one problem could be that once someone built a depot on your canal, you can't remove the canal anymore to save maintenance
17:59:37 <samu> that's fine i guess, a road stop on competitor road does that correctly
17:59:40 <samu> should behave the same for ship depot
18:00:42 <samu> road maintenance belongs to competitor, station belongs to self
18:00:59 <b_jonas> how easily can you block a canal by builing a ship depot orthogonally?
18:03:33 <chillcore> make canal three wide, build, unwiden canal, plonk stuffs down?
18:04:56 <samu> i intend to cheapen canal build costs
18:05:57 <samu> 5000 is such a huge number
18:05:57 <samu> i've been toying with a price of 625
18:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that will probably need a newgrf
18:06:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, you won't convince a dev to include that in the game
18:07:38 <samu> what can go wrong with that?
18:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> has nothing to do with that
18:08:47 <chillcore> tastes colours ... you can use/make a base cost newgrf and do whatever you please. much simpler samu
18:09:03 <chillcore> other opinions are available ;)
18:10:55 <samu> what about default game?
18:11:34 <chillcore> if values are way off then ofcourse adjustments are welcome ;) I guess
18:11:59 <Alberth> chillcore: if only we could get agreement on "way off" :)
18:12:01 <chillcore> But yeah what Alberth said ...
18:12:23 <samu> for default ships, i think it's way off
18:12:53 <Alberth> I don't remember having problems with it
18:13:41 <Alberth> how can you have any problem? it's trivial to make loads of money in default game
18:14:15 <Alberth> and it's always nice if you make some things feasible later in the game
18:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i somewhat agree that canals are a bit expensive
18:15:12 <Alberth> imagine what happens if you get the final train/ship/aircraft/RV, and nothing after it
18:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. when you're in 1870 and want to start out with ships
18:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> canals were popular way before railways were
18:17:24 <samu> default game, i mean starting in 1950~75, minimum 1920
18:18:33 <samu> having a max loan of 100k
18:18:44 <samu> and the terrain being all land
18:18:57 <samu> start with ships in such a scenario
18:19:01 <glx> enough to start a coal line
18:19:31 <samu> there's too many hard costs for such a route
18:19:46 <samu> canals, terraform, aqueduct
18:20:06 <samu> it's on this position that I am trying to re-evaluate prices
18:21:49 <samu> reusing rivers is good if they exist
18:22:27 <samu> but it's too easy for some competitor demolish a river tile
18:23:07 <samu> lowering canal costs should compensate for that
18:23:48 <samu> demolishing rivers will still maintain their price, so it won't be abused
18:24:05 <chillcore> best anti-grief is playing with friends ;)
18:37:11 <samu> how are you going to solve the bug/issue?
18:37:46 <samu> there's different solutions
18:38:48 <samu> i'd prefer to have it similar to how bus stops on competitor roads implementation works
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18:41:27 <samu> it just works and the approach makes sense
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19:23:53 <chillcore> hmm sentences that start with "in general ..." grrr
19:24:16 <chillcore> samu try without '(tile)' ?
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19:24:46 <andythenorth> has cat been seen?
19:25:25 <samu> GetDepotOwner - no results
19:25:32 <samu> have to create this function?
19:27:56 <DorpsGek> chillcore: I have not seen cat.
19:28:32 <chillcore> thank you DorpsGek ... had to try that once at least :P
19:30:20 <andythenorth> remains a mystery
19:31:10 * andythenorth fails to recode FIRS
19:31:31 <andythenorth> short on motivation
19:31:41 <andythenorth> refactored 3 newgrfs this week
19:34:00 <Alberth> 4th one should be a piece of cake then?
19:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen a cat or two today
19:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: maybe read again what i said?
19:35:54 <samu> where do i create that thing
19:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so, what was i saying?
19:36:28 <samu> addapt the functions, or create a new fucntion
19:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and then i made a suggestion about a function name
19:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and new things generally go where existing things already are that are somewhat similar
19:37:31 <andythenorth> eh FIRS is so much bigger than the others :P
19:37:45 <andythenorth> acres of python modules, python templates, and cpp templates
19:38:17 <andythenorth> poorly architected
19:38:23 <samu> "also have to adapt the functions that read the owner"
19:39:09 <samu> i know i need to put something on this file
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19:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well it becomes not-free once you write something in it
19:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and when you write something in it, you also need to read it
19:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise why bother writing it?
19:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> my computer science room in school had a painting on it, which featured, amongst others, a "write only memory", which was a crocodile eating crates that were shoved in its direction
19:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: the point is not about knowing what to do, but asking the right questions (to yourself) to find out what to do
19:42:53 <samu> so what is the question i should be asking :(
19:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> to the owner that you want to store, of course
19:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the owner is currently stored somewhere else, where it overwrites the canal owner
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19:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you take that away, and introduce it somewhere else
19:47:42 <glx> cleaner than directly writing in _m[]
19:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: that is in the accessor
19:49:38 <samu> im at line 433 of water_map.h
19:50:53 <glx> MakeShipDepot is not an accessor :)
19:51:53 <samu> replace that 0 to... owner of the water
19:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: then your opinion and my opinion on what an accessor is differ
19:52:25 <glx> you need something similar to SetTileOwner
19:53:38 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: it's an helper function for me :)
19:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: that is borderline nitpicking
19:55:18 <glx> SetTileOwner is in tile_map.h yes, but I think SetCanalOwner (or something like that) should be in water_map.h
19:55:52 <glx> with of course the necessary checks to ensure it's applied only to the appropriate tiles
19:59:28 <samu> static inline TileIndex GetShipDepotNorthTile(TileIndex t)
20:00:59 <samu> static inline WaterTileType GetWaterTileType(TileIndex t)
20:14:23 <samu> static inline void MakeCanal(TileIndex t, Owner o, uint8 random_bits)
20:14:30 <samu> there's only a MakeCanal
20:16:13 <samu> MakeCanal points to MakeWater
20:17:28 <samu> static inline void MakeWater(TileIndex t, Owner o, WaterClass wc, uint8 random_bits) {
20:21:31 <samu> what is the question i should be asking
20:23:12 <glx> no SetCanalOwner (or whatever) is the function you need to write
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