IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-12-04
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00:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> man, my mouse does not move anymore :/
00:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> on an old mouse, i'd clean the wheels and the ball at this point
00:18:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but what do you do with modern mice?
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01:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, now it gets really weird.... so i took a q-tip and cleaned the lenses, and now it works for a few seconds, and then stops working again...
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02:28:27 <dreck> weird thing anyway...heheh
03:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like there were never any other cars converted to rail wheels...
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10:52:03 <argoneus> imagine being a yeti
10:52:52 <supermop> i saw some weird containers today
10:53:33 <supermop> 20' long but looked only 50-60% the normal height
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11:19:12 <supermop> on a train in blue mountains
11:24:13 <argoneus> imagine if V453000 woke up one morning and was a yeti, and his newgrfs were replaced by V453000's
11:24:26 <argoneus> and he was rendering himself
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11:26:22 <Flygon> Anyone seen drac_boy lately?
11:31:16 <V453000> argoneus: I look 100% exactly the same as YETIs
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11:39:05 <argoneus> peter1139: sell it on ebay!
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12:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> why must it be the butt of an ox anyway?
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17:45:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27073 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2014-12-04 17:45:15 UTC)
17:45:20 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:21 <DorpsGek> danish - 14 changes by manframe
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19:04:08 <frosch123> oh, is it the time of "forum design complanis" again?
19:04:40 <Supercheese> Brace yourself, apparently
19:05:46 <Supercheese> I look out my window, and it's blindingly white from ice and snow... so the theme suits my environment
19:06:14 <frosch123> i don't care about the theme, but the complanis annoy me every year :)
19:06:37 <frosch123> he, consistent typos at least
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19:26:08 <FLHerne> frosch123: It's not even as if there's no setting that disables it.
19:27:36 <frosch123> i only log in to the forums when actually posting something
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19:27:57 <frosch123> so, something like once a week for a few minutes
19:28:10 <andythenorth> less if you’re married
19:28:38 <andythenorth> are we talking about the same thing?
19:30:06 <andythenorth> do people use the forum theme?
19:30:22 <andythenorth> occasionally it eats my login cookie, and I see this wall of green
19:30:31 <andythenorth> then I log back in and get phpbb back again
19:30:40 <andythenorth> no wonder so many forum posts are angry
19:30:46 <andythenorth> if they haven’t changed the theme
19:31:38 <andythenorth> fails WCAG 2 contrast all over the place :)
19:32:26 <frosch123> as if anything would read stuff before replying
19:32:46 <andythenorth> I certainly don’t
19:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <FLHerne> frosch123: It's not even as if there's no setting that disables it. <-- it's not that you can't disable the theme, it's that you can't go back to the previous theme, only the default phpbb theme or the eye-cancer-inducing red text on white background theme
19:41:13 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Transport Tycoon (temperate) is the previous theme
19:41:23 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Unless you mean a different previous theme
19:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: well, that wasn't possible last time
19:41:45 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: I think he added it about halfway through last time?
19:42:05 <FLHerne> After the last round of eye-bleeding complaints
19:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: after i complained like 5 years in a row?
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20:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think the optics in my mouse are broken...
20:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it either doesn't move at all or jumps in completely random directions
20:15:57 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Are you using it on glass, or something very smooth/shiny?
20:16:13 <FLHerne> Mine does that if I try to use it on metal lab benches
20:19:58 <frosch123> hmm, in 4 years my mouse will reach half of my age
20:20:43 <horazont> i wonder how long mine would live if I wouldn’t bath them in sugar’d tea once every two or three years :(
20:20:54 <frosch123> i don't remember how many ball mice i had, but this 1st generation optical mouse still works
20:22:13 * andythenorth wonders who produces microsoft mice
20:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: it used to work on most surfaces, then it had problems on some surfaces unless i cleaned it, but now cleaning doesn't work anymore
20:22:17 <horazont> these are generally robust, true, frosch123
20:22:19 <andythenorth> must be a major vendor on contract
20:22:45 <andythenorth> microsoft mice are reliable, comfortable, accurate, affordable, well-finished and reasonably attractive
20:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i'm having no luck with mice it seems
20:23:02 <andythenorth> none of those are attributes microsoft excel at providing
20:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: although i didn't actually buy any new mice, i warranty-replaced them multiple times
20:23:32 <glx> I have an old logitech too, just needed to fix the pads
20:23:50 <horazont> at some point, I went for those mice which are aimed at hardcore gamers, those wide things with separate overhang for the thumb.
20:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i don't like "ergonomic" mice for some reason
20:24:06 <horazont> these are really ergonomic
20:24:15 <horazont> and normal-width mice started to hurt my hand
20:24:29 <horazont> also, the extra-button can be bound to double-click, which is invaluable in openttd ;)
20:24:50 <Jinassi> or get an imprint of the manufacturers logo on the inside of the palm...
20:25:11 <andythenorth> costs about £5 too
20:25:43 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i like that it is bigger, fits my hand
20:26:13 <frosch123> and it's not as "ergonomic" as other mice
20:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's why i only buy mice in shops where i can hold them in my hand
20:27:00 <frosch123> it's really weird to hold
20:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause> fairly simple, fairly robust, but the optics cause me trouble
20:27:25 * horazont stopped believing in wireless input devices when the first wireless keyboard he had missed Shift and Ctrl strokes
20:27:57 <frosch123> yeah, wireless stuff is crap
20:28:11 <frosch123> a proper cable is way better than wireless
20:28:15 <horazont> also, power management
20:28:56 * andythenorth used to have a mouse
20:29:01 <andythenorth> now I have neither
20:29:09 <horazont> how do you play openttd? :-O
20:29:26 <andythenorth> early trackpads used to give me RSI
20:29:27 <horazont> forgot about these, yeah, these are ok too :)
20:29:30 <andythenorth> but not in last few years
20:29:47 <horazont> mice are ok, but for openttd you reall need a doubleclick button for placing signals
20:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i never want a cable ever again
20:30:01 <horazont> otherwise pain in the fingers ensueues
20:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the early wireless was crappy
20:30:09 <andythenorth> with a trackpad you constantly move your hand away => no compression of tendons, nerves etc
20:30:15 <andythenorth> but also where is cat?
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20:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have absolutely no trouble with reception anymore
20:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't use trackpads for some reason
20:31:28 <FLHerne> Only got a trackpoint on here, now I've mostly forgotten how to use mice :-/
20:31:40 <FLHerne> Or at least without overshooting things all the time
20:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the worst thing i've ever seen were these ball thingies in the middle of the keyboard
20:33:27 <frosch123> now you two can beat on each other :)
20:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that was even more terrible than trackballs, which never worked because they immediately got dirty
20:34:01 <Horrorcat> Eddi|zuHause: wow, these are oooooold
20:34:07 <Horrorcat> I can barely remember them
20:34:40 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there are also optical trackballs
20:35:12 <Zuu> I've used optical trackballs the last 10 years.
20:35:39 <Zuu> Needs some cleaning every second month or so, but is quite quick.
20:35:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the last time i used a trackball was almost 15 years ago
20:35:52 <peter1138> Meh, can't get on Steam :(
20:35:57 <frosch123> which type? those where you move the ball with the digits, or those where you move them with the thumb only?
20:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> where are those minority report gesture interfaces?
20:36:43 <Zuu> I however miss a good trackball with scrollwheel. Got one at home but it is no longer manufactured/sold so can't get a second one.
20:37:23 <peter1138> There's that scrollring one...
20:37:49 * Zuu use those where you use your two leftmost fingers (except thumb) on your right hand.
20:39:13 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you mean the computer interface with integrated sports studio?
20:39:38 <frosch123> move your whole arm in big circles to get stuff done?
20:40:17 <frosch123> i wonder whether the same applies if touchscreens become 20 inch
20:43:30 <Rubidium> you can already buy a 32 inch touchscreen
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20:46:16 <frosch123> i haven't used one, but in theory it fails all ergonomic aspects i can think off
20:47:21 <andythenorth> whether you hate Apple or not, the head of Mac development has said that touchscreen isn’t how we do desktop computing
20:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i could never even wrap my head around mouse gestures
20:47:36 <andythenorth> of course, if they release a touchscreen Mac, it will of course be the new future :P
20:47:41 <andythenorth> and never could have been anything else
20:47:53 <andythenorth> yesterday we were at war with Eurasia
20:48:24 <andythenorth> is the 32 inch touchscreen self-cleaning?
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20:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> yesterday we were at war with Eurasia <-- i was thinking of that yesterday when the newspaper explained how iran is now bombing stuff in iraq
20:51:14 <frosch123> aww, googling says that the whole internet agrees with me
20:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> damn internet, always agreeing.
20:51:39 <Horrorcat> that’s the google bubble
20:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, google already knows what you want to hear
20:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and then tells you that
20:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's even worse than if all your life you've been watching fox news :p
20:53:00 <Horrorcat> i wonder if the world would be a better or a worse place if they’d turn that off (except for the fact that you wouldn’t get as good results anymore)
20:55:15 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: what about this channel?
20:55:26 <frosch123> does it influence your opinions on bad features?
20:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: this channel has V in it. it's the opposite of a bubble :p
20:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it's not about influencing your opinion. it's about making you believe everyone else shares your opinion
20:58:37 <andythenorth> there are very few people here who share my opinions :P
20:58:56 <andythenorth> but I share my opinions
21:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> cats are sleeping 80% of the time.
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