IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-03-24
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01:51:13 <NGC3982> I have no idea what's going on here
01:51:18 <NGC3982> The oil trucks are not unloading
01:52:00 <NGC3982> The orders are to fill up (oil) at the oil site, and to drop at the refinary
01:52:05 <NGC3982> But it ..just doesn't.
01:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause> usually, because you have a producing industry near the dropoff station, so the vehicles load stuff they cannot unload anywhere
01:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> use "unload and leave empty" orders
01:55:35 <NGC3982> I see, but that results in the oil ending up on the station platform.
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01:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because that oil came from that station in the first place
02:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the other option is you didn't cover the accepting tile of the refinery (there are very few)
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03:55:28 <Flygon> Does anyone here ever end up building massive railway netwoorks
03:55:45 <Flygon> But never bother building stations or signalling because they want to 'finish' the line?
04:25:18 <Supercheese> I usually build stations as I go
04:25:31 <Supercheese> Start at one town, build line to town 2, build station, build line to town 3...
04:26:37 <glx> first step is usually the station because you can kill many trees while building the line ;)
04:58:50 <Flygon> I tend to avoid building the station first in case I need to change the route
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12:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> [24.03.2014 05:58] <Flygon> I tend to avoid building the station first in case I need to change the route <-- i do it the opposite, building the stations first ensures that your town rating is high enough, then you can freely terraform
12:53:55 <Flygon> I do suppose you go broke far less easily than me
12:54:10 <Flygon> I tend to build up the town popularity rates by building trams
12:54:18 <Flygon> I build an extensive Tram network in every town
12:54:29 <Flygon> Use buses (when it's practical enough) in outer suburbs
12:54:43 <Flygon> And then drive the trainline through slowly
12:54:49 <Flygon> As I build money to bribe and whatnot
12:55:00 <Flygon> I end up with games where Trams make a substantial amount of $$$
12:55:05 <Flygon> Instead of being just supplimentaru
12:55:26 <Flygon> Trams make 2x the income of trains
12:55:37 <Flygon> Most of my rail lines aren't operational yet due to not being built
12:55:43 <Flygon> As in, not fully built
12:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well i put stations on the edge of the town, and feed it with trams
12:55:56 <Flygon> 2 railway lines are operational
12:56:18 <Flygon> Compared to every town with a planned station (and feeder system) having a tramline (suburbs of London, really)
12:56:29 <Flygon> At least 30 suburbs with a Tram system
12:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i build my network incrementally. start with two towns, and add another one, or sometimes two, if they form a line
12:57:53 <Flygon> But I ended up choosing a UK scenario
12:57:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i generally don't use the tree cheat
12:58:02 <Flygon> This's London we're talking about
12:58:10 <Flygon> The Tram profit alone is worth a fortune
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13:27:27 <andythenorth> no love for Tropic Basic in the FIRS poll :(
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13:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: what usually happens with my games is, that i end up with stations that have open ends for attaching another line, which gets never built. especially on large maps
13:27:27 <Flygon> I get that a lot on my maps
13:27:27 <Flygon> Even on lines I've opened up
13:27:27 <Flygon> I end up building open ends on low level branch lines
13:27:27 <Flygon> That end up being inadequet when I do build the new line
13:27:27 <Flygon> Because there'd be too much congestion
13:27:27 <Flygon> Cue reeengineering big bits of line for a flyove
13:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> like i build a line from A to B via C, and in C i plan the station as a crossover with a line from D to E via C, but either D-C or C-E never get built
13:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, reengineering happens as well, but that was not the problem ;)
14:02:24 <Flygon> Got the second urban line completed
14:02:49 <Flygon> The Londoners are going to punch me in the face for making almost all the line terminuses Balloon Loops
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18:37:17 <frosch123> LordAro: any suggestion for fs#5952?
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18:44:42 <LordAro> closed: worksasintended
18:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26426 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2014-03-24 18:45:17 UTC)
18:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:26 <DorpsGek> polish - 3 changes by McZapkie
18:49:04 <frosch123> added a dictionary link
18:49:51 <LordAro> huh, wasn't aware that you didn't come up with it yourself :p
18:50:05 <frosch123> i learned it from rb
18:50:14 <frosch123> but google knows it in many places
18:53:00 <frosch123> isn't flash considered dead?
18:53:11 <frosch123> why would anyone port ottd to it?
18:55:29 <Supercheese> Because they can?
19:00:35 <frosch123> same llvm cross compiler approach as for the javascript port
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19:01:31 <frosch123> but i thought javascript is the new cool kid in town (again), while noone uses flash anymore
19:13:58 <maddy_> can I rebuild a river which I accidentally broke with land tools?
19:14:47 <maddy_> canals? at least it looks the same, guess that is ok :)
19:28:50 <Supercheese> Sadly, you cannot rebuild rivers
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20:38:51 <Pulec> but why, with the amount of money tycoon is making you could build a spaceship
20:42:38 <CommanderZ> Hey guys, I'm looking at planetmaker's suggestions on distant join station behavior from FS#5951
20:42:47 <CommanderZ> I have a quick question - when I build a station which adjoin to two other stations without holding CTRL, I get the error "adjoining to more than one station...". Why not pop up the station choice dialog instead?
20:46:05 <frosch123> that's what fs#4185 refers to
20:46:21 <frosch123> it should ignore opponents stations, and ask you if there are two of your company
20:49:34 <CommanderZ> And I assume it should only display stations in the immediate vicinity if distant join is disabled
20:51:29 <frosch123> may be confusing as well, if there are different join-list windows
20:52:22 <CommanderZ> There can only be one, the previous one gets closed if a new one is to be opened
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20:53:09 <frosch123> hmm, didn't the join station window list the stations sorted by distance anyway?
20:53:17 <frosch123> or was that only a patch or suggestion?
20:53:37 <CommanderZ> Yeah, it seems to do that currently
20:55:37 <frosch123> i guess listing all would be more consistent and less magical
20:56:51 <CommanderZ> So if you choose a station too far away, it fails with an error box later?
20:57:34 <frosch123> i would hope that the window already today only lists stations which are joinable
20:58:56 <frosch123> [21:49] <CommanderZ> And I assume it should only display stations in the immediate vicinity if distant join is disabled <- anyway, i was refering to that
20:59:37 <frosch123> i think there should only be one join window for distant or adjacent join, no separate windows
21:00:30 <frosch123> basically, non-distant join joins with adjacent station if it is uniquely defined
21:00:53 <frosch123> in all ohther cases the window should popup independent of whether you enabled or disabled distant join
21:00:58 <frosch123> or whetheer you pressed ctrl
21:03:31 <frosch123> hmm. oh... were you refering to the advanced setting for disabling distant join?
21:03:51 <frosch123> then it may indeed make sense to only list adjacent ones :p
21:04:05 <CommanderZ> Yes. But now I realized there is not only an option to enable/ distant join, but also a setting to enable/disable adjoining stations
21:04:20 <CommanderZ> The plot thickens and the number of cases to consider grows exponentially :/
21:04:41 <frosch123> oi, maybe we can get rid of the latter one
21:08:34 <frosch123> there are reasons to forbid distant join since some people consider it cheating
21:08:48 <frosch123> but i have not heard of anyone wanting to forbid more stations
21:11:50 <V453000> sounds pretty pointless to me
21:17:26 <CommanderZ> Hmm, this setting seems to only have been introduced with 0.6.0, so it is no prehistoric thing. I wonder what the reasoning was.
21:18:26 <frosch123> what? adjacent_stations should be pre-historic
21:18:33 <frosch123> distant_join_stations may be 0.6
21:19:54 <frosch123> adjacent_stations is r9905, distant_join_stations is r14919
21:20:11 <frosch123> ok, so adjacent_stations is indeed 0.6 :p
21:20:17 <frosch123> and distant_join is 0.7
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