IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-03-15
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00:01:15 <planetmaker> especially when it worked for you before :)
00:01:41 <Gooby> planetmaker: well, i can't reach openttd.org, for some reason
00:01:57 <Gooby> so that's gotta have something to do with it
00:05:40 <Supercheese> Seems like you have Soundtrack #13 syndrome: "Can't get There from Here"
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00:11:03 <Supercheese> or, at least your packets do
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01:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i was sooo close to 2048 :/
01:17:48 <Afdal> Anyone know if it would be possible to make a newGRF that changes signal behavior?
01:21:04 <Supercheese> only a source code patch could do that
01:26:09 <Afdal> That's exactly what I'm interested in
01:26:32 <Afdal> Tired of you no-breakdowns fellas hoarding all the cool stuff
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01:28:15 <planetmaker> Afdal, with the existing signals you can build a full ALU
01:28:39 <planetmaker> or full adder. ALU = algorithmic unit
01:28:44 <Supercheese> someone designed a turing-complete network using OTTD signals, IIRC
01:28:52 <Afdal> Yeah I know all about that stuff
01:28:53 <planetmaker> yeah. coopers did :D
01:28:58 <Afdal> but you need breakdowns off
01:29:07 <Afdal> in order for logic constructions to work right
01:29:15 <Afdal> that's why a NOT signal would be nice
01:29:40 <planetmaker> what gameplay purpose other than complete nerdyness would it serve?
01:29:56 <Afdal> there's all sorts of uses for not setups :3
01:30:01 <Afdal> one is splitting trains
01:30:11 <planetmaker> I take a chainsaw for that :P
01:30:29 <planetmaker> I lied. A welding laser is better
01:30:46 <Supercheese> I prefer Southern Thunder
01:30:55 <Supercheese> splits 'em right good
01:31:53 <planetmaker> the only path to a not signal I can see is, if someone actually devise a workable and non-tabular way to display programmable signals and their inter relation easily, also on the map - without the need to click every signal to get to know what it does
01:32:28 <Afdal> you mean making the interface friendly?
01:32:41 <planetmaker> yes. A usable interface
01:32:52 <Afdal> it would just be a simple newGRF
01:33:01 <Afdal> if it were possible -_-
01:33:16 <planetmaker> good. Go ahead and design the interface for generally programmable signals
01:33:17 <Afdal> I'd just replace the two-way path signal with it
01:33:32 <planetmaker> ok, *that* way we don't even need to continue to talk
01:33:51 <Afdal> sadly it doesn't seem to be
01:34:22 <Afdal> Unless you think it is possible?
01:34:27 <planetmaker> thus I told you: go and devise a usable UI for generally programmable signals. That's the way you *might* have success
01:34:31 <Afdal> to change signal behavior with a newGRF, planetmaker?
01:35:38 <Hazzard> New UI would be useful anyway, even if there was no not signal
01:36:02 <planetmaker> what would you gain by a new UI for the existing signals, Hazzard ?
01:36:58 <planetmaker> andyway, also for you Hazzard: if you want a new UI, the least everyone can do: make actual mock-ups on how it should look like and work
01:37:09 <planetmaker> that needs no programming experience, just a graphics programme
01:37:37 <planetmaker> it need not be pretty, but it need to show the concept(s)
01:37:59 <planetmaker> and explain why that way and not the existing :)
01:38:18 <Hazzard> Also, two way PBS is actually really useful
01:38:47 <planetmaker> no. For signaling
01:38:52 <Afdal> but there's plenty of other ways to do penalties
01:39:05 <Afdal> What else do you use it for?
01:39:24 <Afdal> What does one of those look like :3
01:39:31 <planetmaker> also called simple in-line stations
01:39:56 <planetmaker> where = is track; x is x-junction and s is station
01:40:17 <Afdal> I know you hang with the openttdcoop crowd
01:41:18 <planetmaker> also the "combined and roro station"
01:41:25 <Afdal> two-way station like that doesn't seem like the greatest idea
01:41:38 <Afdal> kind of defeats the strength of a roro station doesn't it
01:41:39 <planetmaker> the path signaling there is more efficient than block signaling
01:41:54 <planetmaker> depends on your network
01:41:56 <Hazzard> But actually, that's not what I was talking about
01:42:07 <planetmaker> and your time tabling
01:42:10 <Afdal> What were you talking about?
01:43:19 <planetmaker> anyway. The discussion is moot: there's no way an existing signal type will be removed. Ever.
01:43:46 <Hazzard> two way pbs can be used to turn block signals into pbs signals
01:43:52 <Afdal> I wasn't asking for it to be
01:44:02 <Afdal> just interested in a gain-of-function newgrf or something
01:44:20 <Afdal> yeah but why would you use that?
01:44:27 <Afdal> over a one-way path signal?
01:44:33 <planetmaker> and forget the word 'newgrf' in conjunction with how signals work. That's also an extremely unlikely thing to happen
01:45:35 <planetmaker> it needs interaction with the path finder directly. Thus that's where you need to work on, internally when dealing with signal types
01:45:53 <planetmaker> that's not newgrf terrain
01:58:31 <Hazzard> Is it possible to make a train that doesn't break down?
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05:17:58 <rubidium> good morning Celestar ;)
05:19:47 <Flygon> Hazzard: Change the advanced settings
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06:58:29 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i actually managed the 2048
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07:11:49 <andythenorth> did anyone get 2048 yet?
07:16:06 <peter1139> 06:58 < Eddi|zuHause> oh, i actually managed the 2048
07:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with this game is, even if you employ a useful strategy, the randomness can get you into situations where it totally screws you over
07:17:37 <peter1139> Damn it, updated my pi, now it won't boot :S
07:20:59 <peter1139> Err... put HDMI on it... and now it boots. wtf?
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08:06:04 <andythenorth> I have to do offsets :(
08:08:40 <V453000> I hate that tooo actually :)
08:10:21 * peter1139 offsets andythenorth's offsets with V453000's offsets.
08:10:41 <V453000> you could use my templates but hm! :D I got like 30 of them
08:15:16 <V453000> the wetrail template is especially good! :P
08:16:01 <andythenorth> do you have a big 'trucks' template? o_O
08:17:19 <andythenorth> on the plus side all the offsets are already in HEQS
08:17:34 <andythenorth> on the minus side, HEQS spritesheets aren't consistent :(
08:17:40 <V453000> oh god you got bored with train newgrf already? :D
08:18:07 <andythenorth> just have to set costs and fix the bugs
08:18:16 <andythenorth> no point doing either of those :P
08:18:22 <andythenorth> it's good enough for MP games now
08:19:03 <V453000> what is it good at? :)
08:19:09 <V453000> me wants DESCRIPTION =D
08:19:20 <V453000> fill me with information!
08:20:06 <andythenorth> it's good at being trains
08:20:12 <andythenorth> but more than none
08:20:22 <V453000> something else specific? :D
08:21:11 <andythenorth> just another train set
08:24:47 <andythenorth> - not being too realistics
08:25:02 <V453000> it actually looks quite good andythenorth
08:25:06 <andythenorth> - trying to mostly have one obvious engine choice for any route
08:25:40 <V453000> the trains improve over time, there is minimum of "useless" engines due to their bad numbers, only thing I am missing is fast modern trains
08:25:42 <andythenorth> - having a choice of wagon types for most cargos, but one obviously best
08:25:58 <andythenorth> there are some faster engines, but not until 2000 ish
08:26:35 <andythenorth> - auto-refit, but no broken auto-refits, and nothing that changes appearance stupidly
08:27:02 <V453000> no words bout autorefit :)
08:27:41 <V453000> yeah, nice simple little train set :)
08:27:47 <andythenorth> V453000: are you -1 on wagon speed limits?
08:28:06 <V453000> yeah I think train should set the speed, with wagon speed limits nothing else matters but power/TE
08:28:26 <V453000> or at least, I am absolutely -1 on wagon speed limits for different cargoes in different values
08:28:48 <andythenorth> all IH wagons come in generations
08:28:53 <V453000> if something, then at least - 1st generation of wagons available together: 50kmh, 2nd generation: 60, ...
08:29:15 <andythenorth> there is one useless 3,300hp freight engine
08:29:25 <andythenorth> it only does 80mph, so nobody would choose it
08:29:35 <andythenorth> it's badly balanced, but I like the name :P
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08:30:38 <andythenorth> if the wagons were 80mph it would make sense
08:30:51 <V453000> hm I would make the screamer come later
08:30:52 <andythenorth> but then either me and Dan made a decision, or I broke the codebase :P
08:31:00 <peter1139> freight weight multiplier!
08:31:19 <V453000> and gridirons, I would put them earlier so they are closer to vulcan/electra
08:31:44 <andythenorth> the screamer is quite badass
08:31:50 <andythenorth> but I get bored waiting for the good stuff
08:31:56 <andythenorth> by 1990 I want all the big fast things + win
08:32:19 <V453000> well then I would move the gridiron to lower date
08:32:30 <andythenorth> I think freight cars should be 90mph
08:32:33 <andythenorth> for that generation
08:32:51 <peter1139> Don't you people all play with wagons peed limits off anyway?
08:32:53 <V453000> I will just ignore speed limits :P
08:34:25 <peter1139> One of the reasons I didn't like the openttdcoop games :p
08:35:13 <V453000> I dont see the problem with trains which run quick in the 200-300 km/h, which is fun
08:36:38 <peter1139> Yup, it all depends how people want to play.
08:36:59 <andythenorth> nml can now handle transparent pngs?
08:37:34 * andythenorth ponders CanalRoadTypes
08:40:25 <V453000> that isnt much of an answer peter1139 (:
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08:51:34 <andythenorth> there goes your morning
09:15:25 <SkeedR> Is there a full change log for 1.4.0 from the previous stable version available anywhere?
09:16:06 <planetmaker> SkeedR, no, there isn't. But mostly due to the fact that there is no 1.4.0 as of now
09:16:31 <SkeedR> Well, ok, for up to Beta 5?
09:17:47 <planetmaker> SkeedR, did you look at the changelog.txt which ships with your OpenTTD :)
09:18:30 <SkeedR> aha, didn't realise that is part of the zip
09:18:57 <planetmaker> you're welcome. That was easy ;)
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09:20:06 <SkeedR> Someone's finally fixed restoring the object build window to it's previous open state...
09:20:37 <planetmaker> no, not really. But you can store the size for most windows now
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09:35:42 <__ln___> 2048 ought to be enough for anyone
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09:36:12 <Flygon> Playing an Oceania+Asia map @ 8912*8192 would be bitchin'
09:36:26 <Flygon> ...I'm allowed to say that word in a complimentary sense here, right?
09:36:34 <planetmaker> Flygon, real man would crash a 8192 map ;)
09:36:46 <andythenorth> 2048 is not enough
09:36:49 <Flygon> I've already crashed OTTD on a 2048 map
09:36:54 <planetmaker> or write a patch which would make it possible to acutally make them work
09:36:55 <andythenorth> although I still haven't beaten 2048
09:36:58 <Flygon> Probably because my PC is so very old
09:37:36 <Flygon> If we're gonna do ultragiant maps on real world locations
09:37:38 <andythenorth> I'm convinced I have the winning strategy, but I didn't win
09:37:47 <Flygon> We're going to need a method of putting all three clients into one
09:38:46 <planetmaker> that method needs a rewritten map array
09:38:58 <Flygon> Which means we're boned?
09:39:21 <planetmaker> it means it's more work than just 'add that one bit'
09:39:48 <Flygon> Which means we're boned :P
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09:41:35 <V453000> real men make CPU cry on 256x256
09:44:22 <V453000> I meant with trains only but yeah
09:44:59 <V453000> and they eat shitload of cpu
09:45:04 <Flygon> Crapload of pathfinding needed
09:45:16 <Phreeze> like..to go....1 direction
09:45:16 <Flygon> It's how I crashed by 2048*2048 game
09:45:34 <Flygon> I should send you my Europe .sav
09:45:42 <Phreeze> yoshi's new island arrived :>
09:45:44 <Flygon> I'll do it later when I'm not working on art and streaming music
09:45:54 <Phreeze> now i got 4 3ds games i haven't even started yet...NEED TIME
09:45:58 <Phreeze> should stop going to work...
09:46:08 <Flygon> FOR THE GOODNESS OF SOCIETY
09:46:24 <Phreeze> for the goodness of myself, people should start thinking at work
09:46:36 <Phreeze> i work in IT, and they always got the same shithead problems
09:46:44 <Phreeze> even some like "my screen is black"
09:46:53 <Phreeze> "turn it on" . "i have" check cables - i have
09:47:03 <Phreeze> going to the office...pushing cable completely in..win
09:47:53 <Flygon> So I remember The Fresh Prince but not KITT
09:48:04 <Phreeze> i was allowed to watch KITT, then go to bed :)
09:48:22 <Phreeze> moreover: i played original TT ;)
09:48:47 <Phreeze> at the time, i was 11.
09:49:00 <Phreeze> i wanted the game so bad, i played the demo like 100 times, no kidding
09:49:10 <Phreeze> demo was limited to trains and 2 years of playing
09:49:21 <Flygon> I remember playing AoEII demo extensively
09:49:27 <Phreeze> i couldnt find the game in the local shops!!!!
09:49:49 <Phreeze> i asked my dad to buy it froma shop in germany, as there were always the ads in the computer magazines
09:50:03 <Phreeze> he said "that's dangerous, they could just keep the money and send nothing!"
09:50:03 <Flygon> I'm old enough to remember mail order
09:50:11 <Flygon> Australia was behind the times so baaaad
09:50:18 <Flygon> Now we lead the world in... Facebooking
09:50:22 <Flygon> We're a nation of mustached idiots
09:50:25 <Phreeze> 1 year later, i got it from a friend, it was in a bundle with theme park
09:50:32 <Phreeze> best day of my life, no kidding
09:50:50 <Flygon> Buggered if I remember the best day of my life
09:50:58 <Phreeze> wait... so you're going to bed in an hour or so ^^
09:51:01 <Flygon> Er, don't take that literally
09:51:11 <Phreeze> [10:50:59] Phreeze )) <--
09:52:33 <Flygon> I just got the stupidest idea ever
09:53:06 <Flygon> Downloading files via those machines that reply back to your calls then tell you to talk after the beep
09:53:17 <Flygon> Then you send the download via the phoneline like dial-up while the tape records it
09:53:45 <Phreeze> ....we live in 2014 not 1986
09:53:53 <Flygon> And then you play the recording back to your computer
09:54:13 <Flygon> We do it VIC-20 style!!!
09:56:26 <Flygon> WITHOUT RAM EXPANSIONS
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09:57:22 <Flygon> I should feel evil for streaming music from a machine with two CPUs and over 64kbytes of RAM!
09:57:55 <Flygon> Good thing it's not a PC!
09:58:02 <Phreeze> i feel evil for having 8 logical cpus and even with 2 games and 20 tab browser + ++ + + it's not even near half load xD
09:59:45 <Flygon> I remember having a Celeron once
10:00:00 <Flygon> It overheated without any of the P4's perks
10:01:34 <Phreeze> first own cpu was a duron 650 OC at 950 ;)
10:01:52 <Phreeze> later had athlon XP and the last AMD was an opteron
10:02:15 <Phreeze> then AMD was so shitdete that i stuck to intel core2quad and more
10:02:18 <Flygon> I had an Athlon XP before the Celeron (diff PC)
10:02:30 <Flygon> Eh, my PC life is long and convoluted
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10:05:19 <planetmaker> <Phreeze> first own cpu was a duron 650 OC at 950 ;) <--- oh, that is extremely fast. Compared to my first own, a 12 MHz 286 intel one :P
10:05:50 <Phreeze> i mean, the first i bought myself
10:06:02 <Phreeze> first one we used was a 286, dont know how many mhz
10:06:14 <Phreeze> first one i really used more was a 386 with 25mhz
10:06:35 <Phreeze> then 486 dx50, which we had until my dad bought 3000euro P 133 !
10:06:52 <Phreeze> i got the 486, which was fine for Transport tycoon and maaaaaaaaaaaaany dos games
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10:06:59 <planetmaker> we already had Euros back then?
10:07:03 <Phreeze> civ, colonization, every sid meier game
10:07:09 <Phreeze> indycar and nascar racing
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10:44:05 <andythenorth> maybe the ID should just read from the filename :P
10:46:42 <andythenorth> __name__ is namespaced :P
10:46:51 <andythenorth> but not what I want
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11:35:12 <fonsinchen> My old powerbook's stability apparently depends on a piece of cigarette filter I've used as insulation in the power supply. Every once in a while that thing deteriorates and has to be replaced. Great fun
11:38:50 <planetmaker> lol. That sounds like fun indeed
11:44:04 <fonsinchen> Took me a while to find out why it had "good" and "bad" days.
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14:01:57 <planetmaker> of course it has refitting restrictions. It uses 'realistic' refits
14:02:06 <planetmaker> some work in stations, some in depots, some not at all
14:02:51 <planetmaker> some cost more, some cost less. Refits in stations don't change looks. Refits in depots can change it slightly
14:02:53 <andythenorth> wondering if that's the cause of that report, or some other broken autorefit thing
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15:17:29 <Zplinter> wow, i sure dident expect so much people here.
15:17:46 <planetmaker> all idling here :P
15:19:13 <Celestar> I'm idling over there.
15:20:25 <Celestar> so how are the planets coming along, anyway?
15:20:58 <planetmaker> they grow. Even beyond the m-size and bouncing barriers. And there are many available :P
15:21:18 <Celestar> pity that Kepler is basically dead :(
15:22:05 <planetmaker> 'basically dead'?
15:22:34 <Celestar> the space probe, not the human.
15:23:04 <NGC3982> This turned out to be -unsolvable-.
15:25:02 <planetmaker> looks like the manager has told all cars to stop. And the industry thus doesn't produce?
15:25:20 <NGC3982> They are jammed in a direction where they can not turn
15:25:26 <NGC3982> And i can't force them, since it's one way
15:25:42 <NGC3982> And i can not remove the one-way.
15:26:13 <Celestar> fire up a debugger and remove the vehicles :P
15:26:22 <NGC3982> And it's a never ending multiplayer server map.
15:26:43 <NGC3982> Sure, it's my own server. I guess i could bancrupt myself
15:26:44 <planetmaker> consider it extra expenses :P
15:26:59 <Celestar> well you could hope for the industry to die
15:27:09 <Celestar> since it is 'never ending' at some point it WILL die
15:27:37 <NGC3982> It's a new company. I could build an expensive non-profit maglev that bancrupts me, so that i at least can start over.
15:28:17 <Taede> its your server, just rcon reset_company <company-id>
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15:28:44 <planetmaker> yeah. bancruptcy allows to pass-on the problem to another company :P
15:29:02 <Taede> you could put a random number 1-15 for company-id
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15:29:56 <planetmaker> while (1) { sleep(random(1000000)); reset_company(random(15); }
15:31:25 <planetmaker> back to canal shores
15:31:49 <Celestar> well I'm off again ;)
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16:44:18 <commanderz> hi guys, is there any documentation on adding new settings to the game? This odd code generator thing wasn't there last time I was digging in the code years ago :)
16:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause> commanderz: settings go into src/table/settings.ini. if you have old code to convert, you can match them to the template at the beginning of the file
16:48:28 * andythenorth ponders building 2048 in the game :P
16:48:38 <andythenorth> think it could be done
16:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: with logic trains? :p
16:48:58 <andythenorth> something like that
16:49:07 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: good case for 'shunting'? o_O
16:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but max length might be 128 vehicles
16:51:46 <commanderz> Eddi|zuHause: I'm adding a new one. I added it to the settings.ini file, but it doesn't show up ingame. And I can't figure out how do I specify where in the advanced settings tree is the setting being added.
16:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> commanderz: there is also settings_gui.cpp if you want to show it in advanced settings
16:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> (that part did not change with the generator)
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17:24:18 <andythenorth> two objects, with repetitioj
17:24:34 <andythenorth> or two objects, plus a mixin. More 'stuff', less repetition
17:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause> ask me in 3 days
17:30:39 <andythenorth> can I have an answer in 2?
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17:32:39 <andythenorth> I could do multiple inheritance, but ugh
17:34:29 <commanderz> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks, it works now.
17:34:58 <planetmaker> big 32bpp files are big...
17:35:47 <planetmaker> landscape source file meanwhile at a size of 180MByte
17:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel so inferior with my 5MB of CETS :/
17:40:19 <planetmaker> but pota-ghat might now be in a state that it 'works' as first release
17:58:03 <planetmaker> hm. Push took 25 minutes
17:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> get faster internets
17:58:35 <planetmaker> yeah. not exactly fast what I have
18:06:55 <Alberth> good excuse for some tea :)
18:07:23 <planetmaker> actually, good excuse now to prepare some dinner. Which includes tea :)
18:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26402 /trunk/src/lang (croatian.txt welsh.txt) (2014-03-15 18:45:16 UTC)
18:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:26 <DorpsGek> croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
18:45:27 <DorpsGek> welsh - 8 changes by kazzie
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19:22:37 <andythenorth> I can make a trailer mixin for the trailing parts
19:22:48 <andythenorth> that will solve it
19:23:35 * andythenorth waves at his teddybear
19:24:42 <Alberth> all teddybears wave back
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19:33:56 * andythenorth reads about python multiple inheritance
19:35:02 <andythenorth> "It is clear that indiscriminate use of multiple inheritance is a maintenance nightmare" :(
19:44:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why not give the trailer his own class, and make that a member of the vehicle class?
19:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if vehicle has no trailer, member is None
19:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> if member is not None, generate articulated callback
19:45:30 <andythenorth> you have given me an idea
19:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise handle trailing vehicles like normal vehicles, except give them no availability timeframe
19:45:54 <andythenorth> there's no case for RVs, even articulated RVs, that haul multiple cargo types?
19:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (didn't we discuss that already?)
19:46:16 <andythenorth> ok, I just put the common stuff on the consist
19:46:39 <andythenorth> my problem was two classes, one for truck, one for trailer, both defining cargo refits etc
19:46:51 <andythenorth> you just solved it, obliquely
19:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> in CETS, every trailer has its own entry in the tracking table, only the availability is set to "special".
19:48:04 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise it behaves like a normal vehicle
19:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there is some code to add the vehicle's mass to the front vehicle, because the specs are stupid
19:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and the front vehicle has a table entry which vehicle(s) get attached to it
19:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's really flexible, and takes only very little code
19:53:20 <andythenorth> iirc I've magicked most articulated stuff away already in a similar fashion
19:53:28 <andythenorth> seems to work so far anyway
19:55:53 <andythenorth> yeah appears to just work
19:56:03 <andythenorth> although I just ran into the road vehicle weight limit :P
20:01:40 <andythenorth> weight is a byte
20:01:55 <andythenorth> which is slightly limiting for articulated consists, but not enough to whine about
20:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which vehicle is more than 256t?
20:06:54 <andythenorth> maybe it's an nml issue
20:07:12 <planetmaker> byte is a NewGRF restriction for vehicle weight
20:07:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: limit is 63t
20:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ah. weird factors involved
20:09:05 <andythenorth> and it is a bit low - HEQS runs up against it, the larger trucks are too light for their power + capacity
20:09:10 <andythenorth> but it's not enough to care
20:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe $someone should implement weight (and cost) for articulated parts :p
20:09:26 <andythenorth> Terkhen tried I think
20:09:31 <andythenorth> and found some problem
20:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> see how many newgrfs ignored the specs and put something other than 0 for those values :p
20:11:44 <planetmaker> that's convenient. So should we ever need one, we now even have a scape goat
20:37:12 <Terkhen> andythenorth: IIRC one of the biggest reasons for not implementing it was consistency with how the specs defined these values
20:37:31 <Terkhen> I don't remember any purely technical reasons for not giving articulated parts their own values
20:38:23 <Terkhen> in fact, I think that the improved acceleration for RV patch implemented those at some point
20:39:20 <Phreeze> i wish there was a function that says: replace engine and remove 1 carriage
20:39:42 <Phreeze> want to replace old loco by a turbine train
20:40:07 <planetmaker> just use that function?
20:40:18 <planetmaker> it exists for years
20:42:32 <planetmaker> Phreeze, in the autoreplace window just check the box 'wagon removal' (lower right corner)
20:43:24 <planetmaker> rather button than check box. But well :)
20:43:46 <Phreeze> nice....first time i saw that...
20:43:59 <Phreeze> oops..^^ i feel stupid now
20:47:00 <planetmaker> welcome to the many hidden features :)
20:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, my second 2048
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20:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that's not even a "hidden" feature :p
20:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hidden in plain sight maybe :)
21:10:41 <andythenorth> the capacity of the default RVs is too low
21:11:54 <Phreeze> hm should replace those 2-10-4 Texas
21:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: they're already higher than "realistic". a common truck loads around 5t
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21:15:51 <andythenorth> I spent too long worrying about realistic capacity for trucks :)
21:17:05 <andythenorth> 30t-40t is the right size for trucks (and train wagons) by 1980 or so
21:17:18 <andythenorth> lower before 1950, just to make it different
21:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's one of those cases where gameplay should go before "realism"
21:17:52 <andythenorth> I kind of think Zeph has it right in egrvts with 55t trucks
21:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 30t sounds fine, let it be a bit lower than a wagon
21:17:58 <andythenorth> even though the spread is a bit odd
21:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> put the more exaggerated ones in HEQS :)
21:20:54 <andythenorth> an approximate relation to RL seems to be: RL gross combination weight = in game capacity
21:27:54 <Phreeze> inflation hits so hard
21:27:58 <Phreeze> disabled it 5 years ago
21:28:04 <Phreeze> just bought 2 concordes, no more money :D
21:28:20 <Phreeze> i'm in year 2003, started in something like 1940 or so
21:30:10 <__ln___> (unrelated to what Phreeze said)
21:31:26 <Phreeze> still playing that game ? i got bored after 2 tries
21:39:00 <Afdal> Hey anyone know if it's possible to bypass a
21:39:11 <Afdal> "version mismatch" thing when joining servers
21:39:20 <Afdal> game version mismatch, I mean
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21:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause> download the right version
21:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it's impossible to play on servers with different versions
21:43:06 <andythenorth> urgh, I wish I knew how to fix this python error handling :(
21:43:15 <andythenorth> the error handling machinery errors :P
21:43:16 <Afdal> The version mismatch is due to using a patch
21:43:31 <Afdal> some people in this tt-forums thread are saying it's still possible to join servers with it though
21:43:36 <Afdal> servers that aren't using it themselves
21:43:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: override the error handler? (*shudder*)
21:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Afdal: in 99% of all cases, that is not true
21:44:52 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: maybe :(
21:44:53 <Afdal> They're saying it's possible in this thread D:>
21:45:02 <Afdal> you risk desynching though
21:45:09 <andythenorth> no idea how though, I guess I could learn how pdb works, then crash my program
21:45:21 <andythenorth> although pdb with multiprocessing pool might be nuts
21:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Afdal: in any case, it's not officially supported and we do not give advice on how to do it
21:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, for that particular patch, some servers consider it cheating
21:47:34 <Afdal> I'm just wondering if I can play on it together with a group of friends without forcing them to download and install the same patch
21:48:25 <andythenorth> PicklingError: Can't pickle <class 'exceptions.TypeError'>: it's not the same object as exceptions.TypeError
21:48:37 <andythenorth> caused by me not calling str(int) in something
21:48:51 <andythenorth> but you'd have to be good at reading your own code to figure that out :P
21:49:55 <andythenorth> because whatever and wherever the error is, you get the PicklingError
21:55:37 <Supercheese> sounds like you're in... a pickle
21:57:09 <andythenorth> fricking pickles
22:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i never get such stuff?
22:17:09 <andythenorth> what? Errors like the ones I get?
22:22:07 <andythenorth> because you are better at this than me :P
22:39:18 <Phreeze> k..i need a button, that doesn't exist ;)
22:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> this time for real? :p
22:39:34 <Phreeze> "remove caboose from engines that do not need a caboose"
22:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, there's no way to determine that, though :)
22:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i never got around to trying "template based train replacement" patch
22:41:39 <Phreeze> i think is must replace the whole train anyway...old wagons are too slow
22:45:12 <andythenorth> replace the caboose with a wagon
22:45:20 <andythenorth> use groups to only do it where you want it
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23:16:20 <planetmaker> oh please, no away nicks :S
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23:53:56 <qwebirc27053> hey.. I have been having a lot of fun with openttd today :)
23:54:26 <qwebirc27053> finally gave myself time enough to learn the game and the mechanics
23:54:59 <qwebirc27053> really appreciated how polished it is -- tons of fun to be had here
23:57:26 <qwebirc27053> the tutorial and the other wiki pages were super helpful too
23:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks, but please type "/nick YourName"
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