IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-03-07
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09:08:26 <Flygon> As it turns out, there is a Big Boy replacement
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19:02:17 <Phreeze> irc still exists..nice
19:02:26 <planetmaker> would be bad, if not ;)
19:10:06 <Pikka> my lightlbulb just died
19:10:34 <planetmaker> yeah. It's rare. Light bulbs are outlawed in EU :-O
19:11:38 <Pikka> we still call them lightbulbs though :P
19:12:23 <rubidium> planetmaker: not really, only production and import is outlawed
19:12:49 <planetmaker> I know. And not even all. But only those with a power less than X watts. X = 60?
19:13:05 <planetmaker> and doesn't apply for things like beamer light bulbs or so
19:13:06 * Pinkbeast had a halogen pop in the kitchen recently. How it survived the last 5 years I don't know
19:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause> my lightbulbs died way too frequently
19:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and always all 4 at the same time
19:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so i got LED ones now, they're supposed to last 15 years
19:16:30 * Pinkbeast does not miss changing the damned things all the time, except on the front of the bicycles :-/
19:16:43 <planetmaker> leds loose brightness over time, though :)
19:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly, but i probably won't notice gradual changes :p
19:24:14 <planetmaker> try to run your computer on that ;)
19:24:56 <Pinkbeast> They used to say a Merchant Navy locomotive would steam on a candle :-)
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19:34:42 <andythenorth> where is game at?
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19:58:43 <andythenorth> funny place Swindon
20:13:01 <Phreeze> brb installing nnscript
20:14:26 <Alberth> do you need to leave irc for that ?
20:14:57 <frosch123> "close all applications before installing" then reboot one or two times
20:15:52 <TinoDidriksen> If he's using a browser extension for IRC...
20:16:04 <andythenorth> nice of him to tell us
20:17:00 <planetmaker> now we know it's not the lack of love but the lack of working technology :P
20:17:35 <Knogle> I see it as a friendly warning, that bright colors might appear.
20:18:32 <andythenorth> 90% of newgrf makers work is wasted
20:18:57 <andythenorth> thread, you've seen it already,
20:19:22 <Alberth> improved income thread iirc
20:19:28 <andythenorth> best passenger loco
20:19:33 <andythenorth> it's the fastest one, right
20:19:52 <andythenorth> faster is always better
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20:20:34 <Alberth> not sure about that, but some more differentiation in speed would be nice, I think
20:21:08 <Alberth> maybe nuts will give them at some point in the future :)
20:21:22 <planetmaker> ah, the speed thing
20:21:30 <planetmaker> sure, he has some point with the income curve
20:21:32 <andythenorth> I don't understand it
20:21:34 <andythenorth> faster is better
20:21:38 <andythenorth> faster = delivered sooner
20:23:07 <Alberth> oh, from an income pov, no doubt about that
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20:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> faster = delivered sooner <-- in theory yes, but the income curve is somewhat odd in that beyond a certain point, it just does not matter, because the cargo has been going for so long that just distance counts
20:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm pretty sure that there is some time cap on cargo age that he did not even consider in his maths
20:36:33 <andythenorth> faster is better :P
20:36:42 * andythenorth is not using facts or logic
20:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well his main point is that the logic and facts should represent your opinion :p
20:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> just he has an odd way of saying it
20:37:26 <andythenorth> station rating considers speed?
20:37:40 <andythenorth> also track utilisation is higher with higher vehicle speeds
20:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you use a FIRS that overrides rating :p
20:37:49 <andythenorth> throughput-per-tick is better
20:38:00 <andythenorth> so has he considered the amortised cost of infrastructure?
20:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and point-to-point lines with one single train
20:38:08 <andythenorth> or the economic effect on station ratings?
20:38:23 * andythenorth is dicking around, for the record
20:38:28 <andythenorth> maybe I should go to bed
20:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> how can you go to bed with this hammering noise?
20:39:39 <Alberth> going to bed does not imply sleeping :)
20:40:18 <andythenorth> the only noises I now hear are (1) crying child (2) drunks in street outside
20:40:37 <andythenorth> both are approximately frequent
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20:41:27 <andythenorth> nothing else keeps me awake
20:45:21 <rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the aging period is 255 cargo_age_periods (in ticks); normally ~1.75 years, but since it's now a NewGRF property, it can be much sooner or later
20:47:33 <Xaroth|Work> does that mean that newgrfs can make the 'profit' from those incredibly long lines near-naught?
20:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, an industry newgrf can make custom payment calculation
20:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but what rubidium meant was the cargo aging period, which can be varied on a per-vehicle-basis
20:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> default is 185 ticks
20:53:24 <rubidium> Xaroth|Work: it means that if transporting takes more than 1.75 years (in the normal case) with a fast vehicle, you'd get the same income as with a slower vehicle take longer (like 3.5 years)
20:55:19 <rubidium> or in other words: "average speed for payment" = distance / min(1.75 years, transport time)
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