IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-11-30
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02:13:19 <alluke> why do i always listen to emotional music when drunk
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02:25:35 <alluke> faith and love may be deadbu theres always hope
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11:56:12 <Wolf01> oooooh train simulator 2014 -82% on steam
11:59:20 <peter1138> Yeah... it's downloading now...
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12:16:01 <Wolf01> I need half of the games on steam, but I must not fall in the trap again, I already purchased enough bundles to play for the rest of my days
12:21:09 <Alberth> so you don't really need them :p
12:21:53 <Wolf01> it's like chocolate, do you really need it?
12:24:41 <Alberth> even if you have enough chocolate in your house to last a life time?
12:25:54 <Japa_> If I had a house full of chocolate, I'd use it to get girls
12:27:04 <planetmaker> One of my best doesn't like chocoloate. No idea what's wrong with her :P
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12:27:31 <__ln__> Wolf01: you need to outsource
12:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: no matter how much chocolate it is, it will never ever last that long
12:30:38 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you may be very lucky not to have that much chocolate then :)
12:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> chocolate is like free HDD space
12:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no matter how much you got, it immediately is gone
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13:06:52 <Wolf01> I've just open my 80% cocoa chocolate table.. not bar, table.
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16:29:33 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
16:32:08 <planetmaker> probobaly covered under metres of snow :D
16:39:50 <andythenorth> hmm, I can disable breakdown smoke?
16:39:59 <andythenorth> maybe that's just trains
16:41:02 <andythenorth> I forgot, it's a train game
16:41:23 <andythenorth> yay, prop 17 has it for ships too :)
16:42:29 <andythenorth> should I disable breakdown smoke for ships?
16:49:59 <kero> even if it shows a little bit weird for the wood hugs
16:50:22 <kero> smoke is useful to actually see that there's a breakdown
16:58:33 <skyem123> is the REplay version of transport tycoon the windows one or dos one.
16:59:53 <juzza1> change the smoke offset?
17:00:51 <juzza1> oh, i didnt really think this through
17:01:13 <juzza1> was thinking about the normal smoke/visual effect :P
17:11:42 <planetmaker> yeah, I prefer a visual feedback for broken vehicles, too
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17:45:03 <NGC3982_> Is connecting multiple airports to one possible by configuration?
17:45:32 <Super_Random> I actually don't know
17:45:37 <Super_Random> never used airports that much
17:48:01 <planetmaker> one airport per station. Not more
17:55:30 <peter1138> Hmm, can't see how to renew certificates on this firewall :S
17:57:18 <peter1138> Seems I have to create a new identity with a new CSR every time, then switch all the config to use the new identity. Seems dumb...
18:08:45 <Sacro> Why do I have to accept the GPL to install OpenTTD on Windows?
18:09:18 <Sacro> It's a redistribution licence, not a usage one
18:09:26 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 7 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
18:12:58 <peter1138> A lot of stuff does that :(
18:17:19 <Sacro> I declined the GPL and it wouldn't install, that there's a bug
18:18:46 <V453000> enjoy having problems
18:21:02 <LordAro> Sacro: i'm sure you're able to raise a bug report, if it really matters to you ;)
18:22:25 <Sacro> I don't raise bug reports
18:22:44 <LordAro> well you're not entitled to complain when things are broken then ;)
18:24:07 <LordAro> s/you're not entitled/it's a bit pointless/
18:25:13 <juzza1> you are not forced to do anything, but the best way for you to get your suggestion through is to make a bug report
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18:44:19 <Sacro> so you can use "content upgrade" to get the new files off bananas
18:44:29 <Sacro> but how do you get openttd.cfg to recognise them in a new game?
18:45:52 <planetmaker> edit openttd.cfg?
18:46:00 <LordAro> why do you want openttd.cfg to recognise them? you can just add them in the newgrf settings
18:46:03 <Sacro> I hoped it'd be more automated than that
18:46:09 <Sacro> LordAro: not on a dedicated server
18:46:38 <planetmaker> Sacro, how could it? How can OpenTTD decide which NewGRFs you want to have on your server? Whether you want to use this or that or both, but not another?
18:47:09 <planetmaker> there absolutely is no way OpenTTD can ever decide which NewGRF *you* want
18:47:45 <planetmaker> even not when one assumes that you only want NewGRFs which are the 'latest version' of them
18:47:49 <frosch123> since when is the opinion of the player important?
18:53:13 <Sacro> planetmaker: they share GRFID
18:53:18 <Sacro> surely that gives half a clue
18:53:27 <Sacro> And given it can auto update
18:53:44 <Sacro> there's no reason it couldn't pull in the new .tar and then add itself into [newgrf] section
18:59:12 <peter1138> Heh, TS2014 back to £20.99
19:02:01 <Sacro> TAI doesn't seem to be overriding default tree plac
19:02:36 <planetmaker> tree placement is not newgrf-able
19:14:07 <Sacro> TAI basic industries isn't removing all the default forests
19:14:13 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Pikka> wombatbuses
19:14:19 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka* could be Pikka (8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds ago), pikkas (41 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 28 seconds ago), pikka2 (47 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), Pikka_ (1 year, 33 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), Pikka|afk (3 years, 36 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), or Pikkaaa (3 years, 37 (1 more message)
19:36:26 <andythenorth> so I might play a game
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19:37:09 <andythenorth> I still don't understand cargodist
19:37:35 <frosch123> is that a good thing?
19:37:46 <frosch123> usually games are more fun if you do not understand them completely
19:38:25 <frosch123> it leaves room for interpretation and imagination :)
19:39:03 <andythenorth> last game I tried was a mess
19:40:27 <andythenorth> I approached it like YACD
19:40:34 <andythenorth> and I tried using autorefit
19:40:43 <andythenorth> one of those is wrong, and one of those is broken
19:41:25 <andythenorth> so I guess I should forget about YACD-style play
19:41:34 <andythenorth> and also forget about autorefit :)
19:41:48 <Alberth> initial setup of auto-refit is somewhat more complicated than what you'd ideally want
19:42:03 <andythenorth> it's too fragile
19:42:20 <andythenorth> having to change that 'distribute cargo to stations even without a demand' switch is not at all obvious
19:42:40 <andythenorth> and then having cargo waiting everywhere makes it hard to figure out what cdist is actually doing
19:42:53 <Alberth> you don't actually have to do that, just refit to the desired cargo one time
19:43:52 <Alberth> cdist doesn't really like it if you change train movements, it has to run some calculations, and then play catchup
19:44:10 <Alberth> so it's a mess for some time
19:44:41 <Alberth> not something you have to worry about very much, it sorts itself out eventually
19:44:41 <andythenorth> autorefit seems like it was designed with yacd in mind, and now I find it kind of useless
19:45:12 <Alberth> I had a good use for it with fruit and maize in tropical
19:45:40 <frosch123> i used it for candyfloss/sugar/toffee
19:46:56 <Alberth> but not doing autorefit may be better for understanding what cdist is doing
19:47:17 <andythenorth> I'm sure I found in my last game that autorefit doesn't work even with explicit orders
19:47:32 <andythenorth> I spent some 30 mins or so testing different things
19:47:41 <andythenorth> no cargo is distributed to the station iirc
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19:49:49 <Alberth> cdist takes some time to add new stations to the distribution
19:50:23 <Alberth> usually it does get some, unless it is far away across the map from the creating industry
19:51:15 <Alberth> also having symmetric distribution limits choices here
19:51:56 <Alberth> then you only get as much cargo as the smallest amount that can be transported
19:52:17 <Alberth> which obviously fails horribly with most industries
19:52:45 <andythenorth> iirc, the issue was that industries simply didn't distribute cargo to the station
19:53:29 <andythenorth> the autorefit didn't seem to mark the station as visiited by a vehicle with that refit
19:53:37 <andythenorth> but I might be talking rubbish, it was months ago
19:53:45 <andythenorth> anyway, I'm compiling for a new game :)
19:54:26 <Alberth> oh, it worked for me, but you do need to visit a station with at least one wagon for each cargo you want to exchange there
19:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably something that needs to be improved
19:57:25 <Alberth> which holds for almost all parts of the program :)
19:58:18 <andythenorth> I am smoking crack, autorefit with explicit order does work
19:58:58 <andythenorth> is cdist now on by default for all cargos?
19:59:02 <andythenorth> I can't see an off switch
19:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "manual" means "off"
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21:21:34 <NGC3982> I wonder where that _ came from.
21:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> usually because you put it in your alternate nick
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