IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-11-06
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00:00:46 <juzza1> found the tree newgrfs at simuscape, is someone else is interested
00:08:17 <Supercheese> Might have to switch compilers :S
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07:28:55 <DJGummikuh> one quick question, I'm just trying to get this admin port thingy to working. however, the server does not state that it's listening on port 3977 during startup and I also am not able to connect as it seems
07:28:59 <DJGummikuh> am I missing something obvious here?
07:29:40 <DJGummikuh> I configured the admin password in .oppenttd/openttd.cfg and started the whole rig
07:29:57 <DJGummikuh> I even added 0.0.0.0 to server_bind_adresses as per your wiki stating that the admin interface only listens to localhost otherwise
07:30:47 <Supercheese> I cannot answer that, sorry, I've never done network/multiplayer stuff
07:31:07 <DJGummikuh> mmh ok seems I already found the issue...
07:31:39 <DJGummikuh> :-/ I'm trying to connect to this admin port by using grapes on my machine... but grapes keeps insisting that it cannot properly connect
07:42:29 <DJGummikuh> MEH what am I doing wrong?
07:42:44 <DJGummikuh> what does it take to make openttd open that damn admin port?
07:51:32 <DJGummikuh> I am so smart! SMRT!
07:51:54 <DJGummikuh> I edited the openttd.cfg while the server was still running
07:52:04 <DJGummikuh> then when I shut it down for restart it overwrote the config with its own old one....
07:52:06 <Supercheese> and then it gets overwritten on close
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09:19:11 <DJGummikuh> hey where do I find support for grapes?
09:19:45 <pm> dihedral, is the author for grapes
09:19:53 <DJGummikuh> dihedral are you there?
09:21:29 <pm> DJGummikuh, better put a meaningful question in a highlight if the person is not around right now
09:22:01 <DJGummikuh> mh agreed. however, at the moment the question for availability (given that he has no |away or similar at his nick) was meaningful enough for me ;)
09:22:04 <pm> otherwise it's just annoying if one sees a highlight eight hours later - and it's just a 'where are you'. Well, not here obviously ;-)
09:22:16 <DJGummikuh> in addition, he's from germany so he should be awake at the moment
09:23:14 <DJGummikuh> mh.. that's not really an issue I would assume ;)
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09:33:12 <Xaroth|Work> DJGummikuh: not everybody can chat while at work :)
09:34:45 <planetmaker> at least not always :-)
09:34:47 <DJGummikuh> dihedral: I'm trying to wrap my head around grapes. Is there any tutorial on how to create a plugin? Or would it be easier to just use grape as a library?
09:35:11 <DJGummikuh> dihedral: I have my chat running in screen, so if you can answer, just pm me with the answer please
09:35:46 <planetmaker> grapes consists of berries. Berries are the plug-ins for grapes
09:35:58 <planetmaker> there's at least one demo plug-in in that sub-project
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09:38:58 <DJGummikuh> is dev.openttdcoop.org down? I can't connect to that server
09:39:29 <planetmaker> we lost connection to our server a few minutes ago. We're busy to start-up that stuff which failed to restart automatically
09:40:03 <planetmaker> try in a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience
09:40:51 <DJGummikuh> oh ok. I already assumed it's my shitty internet :)
09:46:54 <planetmaker> should work again
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10:16:09 <DJGummikuh> mmh is there a documentation about the berries api?
10:17:06 <Xaroth|Work> somewhere on the bush
10:17:13 <Xaroth|Work> next to the shrubberies
10:37:33 <LuHa> hi, i have some question.
10:38:05 <LuHa> i coding some fixture. but i don't know hot can submit it.
10:38:49 <LuHa> i just upload flyspray. it's correct?
10:40:40 <frosch123> just don't expect it to be handled fast :p
10:40:40 <LuHa> and how can i talk in #openttd.dev?
10:55:56 <DJGummikuh> ok someone can give me a serious hint on where to look for support with berries? I can't seem to find a project page that has more than 1 3year old ticket on it for berries
10:56:52 <frosch123> here or devzone project, that's all there is
10:57:01 <frosch123> there are not many people messing with admin port
10:58:03 <DJGummikuh> earlier someone mentioned a demo project - I can't even seem to find that...
10:58:43 <DJGummikuh> frosch123: why not? it's an awesome additin from my point of view
11:00:38 <frosch123> no idea, i think there are < 10 people who ever used it
11:00:54 <frosch123> and half of them wanted to use a different programming language, so started over from scratch
11:01:04 <frosch123> there is java, python, c#, c++, ...
11:01:16 <frosch123> likely the latter 2 didn't even start up though
11:01:21 <DJGummikuh> well java is perfect for me :)
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11:06:10 <DJGummikuh> on what is the protocol based anyways? plaintext? rcp?packet enums?
11:06:43 <planetmaker> DJGummikuh, 'grapes' is the actual demo project. It uses the java lib 'joan' and plug-ins from 'berries'
11:07:54 <Xaroth|Work> frosch123: the 2nd starts up :)
11:08:11 <planetmaker> afaik c#, too. But it's closed-source
11:08:17 <planetmaker> and not available for download either
11:08:26 <Xaroth|Work> even more laaaame :p
11:10:05 <planetmaker> DJGummikuh, the documentation of graphes/berries/joan might be a bit older. But it is being worked on, albeit a slow pace - according to commit logs
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11:24:40 <DJGummikuh> mmh.. ok but grapes seems to have no joan classes incorporated oO or is the package naming inconsistent here?
11:38:31 <DJGummikuh> wtf I keep getting Connection timed out
11:38:35 <DJGummikuh> even though the port is open
11:45:57 <DJGummikuh> hmm my server can't reach the master openttd server?
11:46:14 <DJGummikuh> dbg: [net] [udp] sendto([master.openttd.org]:3978 (IPv6)) failed with: 101
11:48:18 <DJGummikuh> yay nice, beginning to work
11:50:22 <DJGummikuh> Now is there a way that I can send a Message to the server without the format name:message?
11:50:32 <DJGummikuh> like a broadcast message if you like?
11:51:42 <DJGummikuh> 'say blah' always prepends the name of the sender..
11:51:52 <DJGummikuh> I can alter that but that is also logged in the client and I don't want that
11:53:32 <DJGummikuh> haha nice :) [net] [admin] Rcon command from 'Simple Console' (0.1): 'kick 1'
11:53:35 <DJGummikuh> ERROR: Silly boy, you can not kick yourself!
12:05:54 <Xaroth|Work> not sure how joan does that
12:06:14 <Xaroth|Work> but libottdadmin2 does it
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12:17:49 <MNIM> planetmaker: forgive me for ignorance, because I haven't checked lately, but has a form of cargodist made it into trunk/stable yet?
12:19:13 <frosch123> trunk, 3 months ago
12:27:13 <nex259> I cannot view/edit Japanese translation... my WT3 account settting is broken?
12:30:37 <MNIM> frosch123: where are the related settings?
12:30:39 <planetmaker> nex259, what's your registered user name?
12:31:11 <planetmaker> MNIM, adv. settings -> cargodist
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12:31:53 <planetmaker> that person has editor access, thus nothing should have changed on our part, nex259
12:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used "stable" cargodist yet, but it was "linkgraph settings" or something
12:32:05 <MNIM> something must be wrong, because I can't find it
12:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> MNIM: set the filter to settings for "advanced" and not "basic"?
12:35:04 <MNIM> It's set to all settings, still can't find.
12:35:18 <MNIM> I'm starting to wonder if I updated correctly. :/
12:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> MNIM: easiest check: the title bar at the main menu
12:35:57 <planetmaker> you're not trying 1.3.2, yes?
12:36:24 <planetmaker> what's the version of OpenTTD you run?
12:39:06 <planetmaker> MNIM, well. That's not trunk
12:39:07 <nex259> login success, and view other languages is no problem,but only Japanese is not
12:39:46 <planetmaker> nex259, 'edit' menu on top does not teleport you to editing Japanese?
12:41:05 <MNIM> Bleh. I thought it would've migrated into the releases by now.
12:41:32 <planetmaker> then we would have said so... but we said "trunk" ;-)
12:42:15 <nex259> teleport is success, but dont display any translation
12:43:07 <planetmaker> you are right, nex259
12:43:10 <nex259> and "XML error" message shown
12:43:12 <planetmaker> it's not your login
12:43:19 <MNIM> planetmaker: ah. I kinda used trunk/releases interchangeably. didn't realize there was a difference
12:43:41 <planetmaker> trunk = development version
12:43:48 <planetmaker> development version != release
12:44:24 <nex259> "HTTP Error: no XML data received"...
12:49:03 <planetmaker> yeah. I see that. It might take a few hours fix that at least, nex259. The people who have permission to access the relevant part of the webtranslator are currently not online
12:50:08 <planetmaker> thanks a lot for pointing out that bug
12:53:46 <planetmaker> hm, I see that you actually reported that *one month* ago...
12:55:35 <planetmaker> and you reported it well and in the right place :S
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14:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody besides me confused about planetmaker changing colours?
14:52:28 <frosch123> when did he change colour?
14:52:53 <frosch123> he used some weird nicks the previous days, but the main nick has still the same colour as always
14:54:26 <frosch123> though i never figured out what makes nicknames coloured
14:55:02 <frosch123> whether it's a pure client thing on the viewer's site, or whether the server has influence
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14:59:19 <frosch123> "You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes." <- dorpsgek can be so cruel :(
15:10:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25943 trunk/src/newgrf_debug_gui.cpp (2013-11-06 15:10:17 UTC)
15:10:24 <DorpsGek> -Fix: NewGRF inspect window in RTL mode.
15:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: konversation assigns the colour to the first nick that is writing something, nickchanges afterwards keep that colour. upon (daily) reconnect, that "memory" of the colour is reset
15:14:42 <frosch123> i am using konversation as well, but that behaviour does not apply to my client
15:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be a setting
15:17:49 <frosch123> internet says conversation computed the colour from the nickname via some hash formula
15:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a reasonable assumption
15:18:31 <frosch123> hmm, maybe i misunderstood you
15:18:49 <frosch123> maybe you reconnected when pm was using a different nickname
15:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the first thing pm said today was with the nick "pm"
15:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> then he renamed to "planetmaker", but kept the "pm" colour
15:19:42 <frosch123> yeah, then i misunderstood you
15:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> when i reconnect tomorrow, then it'll reset to the "planetmaker" colour, unless he changes nicks again
15:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> (that also works if he reconnects)
15:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't find a setting for "remember nick colour after renaming"
15:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it was not ported from kde3 to kde4 or something
15:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or i remember another client
15:23:53 <frosch123> konversation looked to me like the only program that did not completely change from 3 to 4 :p
15:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> there were a few changes
15:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't really remember anymore
15:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there was something about tooltips not being carried over
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18:45:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25944 /trunk/src/lang (latvian.txt swedish.txt) (2013-11-06 18:45:14 UTC)
18:45:23 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:24 <DorpsGek> latvian - 5 changes by Parastais
18:45:25 <DorpsGek> swedish - 2 changes by Joel_A
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18:51:14 <andythenorth> Meh, my SSD died
18:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i had an USB stick die on me
18:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> as in can't write to it anymore, only read
18:52:55 <frosch123> i had an usb stick with broken connector, when i held it and pressured it in a certain direction,l it still worked
18:53:52 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: maybe your writing license expired
18:54:09 <LordAro> i have a usb stick which refuses to be recognised, despite being apparently perfectly fine physically
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19:26:55 <peter1138> is it me you're looking for
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19:43:43 <apiecux> during game, is it possible to change sea level?
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20:52:12 <nickshanks> it's been a while since i played. how do i buy a bus/train again? :)
20:52:51 <Taede> click the depot, then the button new vehicles
20:53:03 <Taede> select from the list, click the buy button
20:53:46 <nickshanks> don't see any buy button
20:53:56 <nickshanks> "buy new vehicles" i mean
20:54:31 <Taede> bottom left of the depot-window?
20:55:13 <Taede> that opens a new window with vehicles which you can buy in that depot
20:57:42 <nickshanks> that's what i see. has it changed since about a year ago?
20:57:52 <planetmaker> nickshanks, that's a station window
20:57:58 <planetmaker> and you should update your base set :-)
20:58:27 <Taede> in the construction toolbar, the button to the right of the dynamite will build a depot
20:58:31 <Taede> where you can build vehicles
20:58:34 <planetmaker> I see, yes. then don't update yet :-)
20:59:03 <nickshanks> i get that window when i click on a bus depot
20:59:31 <nickshanks> i am building the terminus stations thinking they are depos
20:59:42 <glx> depots don't have names above them ;)
20:59:53 <nickshanks> yeah, geez, i am a dufus
21:00:56 <nickshanks> 26 October 2012 is the most recent saved game on my old computer
21:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> mine is 6. Apr 2012
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21:15:44 <Wolf01> I started my last game on 2010, still playing
21:20:50 <Wolf01> I play 1-2 hours every now and then, I think I'm on game-year 21xx
21:21:09 <Kjetil> When I was young the game ended in 2070
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21:24:06 <planetmaker> likely another game
21:25:05 <planetmaker> This game allows endless play for at least 7 or 8 years
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21:31:44 <Kjetil> well.. the years stopped progressing in 2070 :P
22:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Kjetil: no, it was 2090
22:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 170*365.25
22:22:23 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 62092.5
22:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> just short of 64k days
22:30:50 <peter1138> Recommended packages: linux-headers-686-pae linux-headers-amd64
22:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not OpenTTD
22:31:00 <peter1138> That'll do good on a Pi...
22:31:25 <__ln__> obviously OpenTTD did not exist when people were young
22:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but then it's not "the game" either :)
22:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so it was "another game" like peter1138 said
22:32:11 <__ln__> but it is "the game", openttd is only "a clone"
22:34:21 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, I what?
22:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the colours! i told you people! ::p
22:35:15 <peter1138> You're all grey to me. I can read ;p
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