IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-10-01
⏴ go to previous day
00:06:41 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd
01:09:09 *** fjb is now known as Guest818
01:54:25 *** roboboy has joined #openttd
02:36:40 <AndreasB> 1957 and I have 4 mill already
02:36:45 <AndreasB> I'm doing something right :D
04:13:05 <AndreasB> But not much inflation yet
04:13:23 <AndreasB> maxloan when I started was 200 000, now at 250k
04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd
05:13:51 *** TomyLobo has joined #openttd
06:44:23 *** zgrillo2004 has joined #openttd
06:45:58 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask
06:46:23 <zgrillo2004> anywyas Im having a problem on getting silicon valley to work
06:46:34 <zgrillo2004> apparently it crashes becauses of superlib
06:46:45 <zgrillo2004> from what I red Ottd is opening the wrong type
06:46:52 *** Devroush has joined #openttd
06:46:59 <planetmaker> did you use ingame content download to obtain silicon valley?
06:47:07 <planetmaker> then you should get the proper superlib version
06:47:18 <zgrillo2004> I using revision 35
06:47:22 <zgrillo2004> its SUperlic for NoGO
06:48:56 <planetmaker> hm, difficult, I guess
06:49:22 <zgrillo2004> I think its A WELL KNOWN PROBLEM
06:50:03 <planetmaker> ok, I suggest to make a comment in the thread dedicated to SiliconValley in our forums
06:50:10 <planetmaker> Then the author can see that and fix that possibly
06:50:23 <planetmaker> I would think there's a new version since 2012, though...
06:50:46 <planetmaker> that conversation you link is 12 months old... maybe dependency was not properly set
06:50:58 <zgrillo2004> thats what I think also
06:51:04 <planetmaker> though... I don't recall an issue when I setup that on our server. But we might have had the proper SuperLib by chance
06:51:06 <zgrillo2004> probably a change to the nut file?
06:51:26 <zgrillo2004> if you had the proper file, why was it deleted?
06:53:00 <planetmaker> You need the exact same version for the library. It won't become deleted
06:54:17 <zgrillo2004> but where is that revision then?
06:54:25 <zgrillo2004> its not in bananas
06:54:59 <planetmaker> probably it is. But you only get the latest. Unless a script or AI requests an older library as dependency
06:56:48 *** roboboy has joined #openttd
06:57:58 <zgrillo2004> got it. lets see if it works
06:58:25 <planetmaker> needs to go in ~/game/library folder
06:58:42 <planetmaker> not directly the game folder
06:58:52 <zgrillo2004> already knew that
06:59:04 <zgrillo2004> I put it with the rest of the library files the GS needs
06:59:23 <zgrillo2004> though im not sure if that GS is compatible with later revisions4
06:59:23 <planetmaker> :-) I'd still leave a comment at the SiliconValley thread
06:59:33 <planetmaker> what later revisions?
06:59:57 <planetmaker> the GS needs exactly 35, if it says so. Later won't work
07:02:17 <zgrillo2004> though it aint detailed but it will do
07:02:29 <zgrillo2004> also another peoblem
07:02:39 <zgrillo2004> I tried to connect this IRC through mibbit
07:03:11 <zgrillo2004> but it throws this error Closing Link: ircip1.mibbit.com (Banned)
07:03:22 <zgrillo2004> I dont know if its me or something
07:03:36 <planetmaker> it's mibbit banned on the whole network
07:03:56 <planetmaker> mibbit doesn't work with this IRC server
07:04:16 <zgrillo2004> and so mibbit banned this IRC?
07:04:17 <planetmaker> not your fault, rather an issue between oftc.net and mibbit
07:04:35 <planetmaker> this irc doesn't allow connections from mibbit website
07:04:55 <zgrillo2004> well then I think that the chat link's irc interface should be changed to a different system
07:05:02 <zgrillo2004> im currently using Kiwi IRC
07:05:04 <planetmaker> as mibbit doesn't provide anti-spam measures the network asked them to implement
07:05:45 <peter1138> Which chat link is that?
07:05:51 <planetmaker> dunno which link you followed, so I can't answer that, zgrillo2004
07:06:36 <planetmaker> yeah, true. orudge still didn't change chat link from mibbit to something else it seems :-)
07:06:53 <zgrillo2004> I guess you need to harp him on doing that
07:07:05 <planetmaker> I guess i just did with that line :-P
07:08:24 <peter1138> Hmm, I didn't think mibbit was Java.
07:08:46 <peter1138> The Java applet there doesn't work for me, though.
07:09:11 <planetmaker> well. mibbit generally is blocked, so whatever is there, won't connect you here, peter1138
07:09:21 <planetmaker> it's a global ban on oftc.net
07:09:39 <peter1138> Welcome to missing the point :p
07:10:02 <peter1138> If it's a Java applet, it's probably not mibbit. But I can't tell, because the Java applet won't load.
07:10:52 <planetmaker> peter1138, it's mibbit, though
07:11:20 <planetmaker> even when it's java
07:11:34 <planetmaker> at least that applet tells me it's mibbit
07:12:25 <peter1138> Okay. Weird. Java should be able to connect from the local host...
07:12:36 <zgrillo2004> sorry for chaning the subject
07:12:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd
07:12:48 <zgrillo2004> but I signed up to a site called INFRA
07:13:01 <zgrillo2004> thought not much activity is on there
07:13:41 <planetmaker> that's other people. But... more working, less talking ;-)
07:13:57 <zgrillo2004> but is IFRA a joke site or something?
07:14:12 <planetmaker> I prefer to not comment on that
07:14:16 <zgrillo2004> cause they havnt uploaded anything that they present
07:14:25 <zgrillo2004> I would like to know
07:14:32 <zgrillo2004> I dont know this community that much
07:14:40 <zgrillo2004> remember I just signed up to this forum
07:14:45 <planetmaker> you judge yourself. Your experience is my judgement
07:15:10 <zgrillo2004> they seem to show off but dont release their GRFS
07:15:23 <zgrillo2004> is that what they do?
07:15:50 <zgrillo2004> its called Simuscape
07:15:56 <zgrillo2004> thats the sit ename
07:16:30 <V453000> world of assholes is the motto :)
07:17:01 <planetmaker> keep it civil, V453000
07:17:18 <zgrillo2004> planet he maybe right
07:17:31 <zgrillo2004> thought im not sure about regulatings of cursing
07:17:36 <zgrillo2004> of sites like this
07:17:44 <zgrillo2004> I sually just say Damn or hell
07:21:01 <V453000> those words arent sufficiently descriptive in some cases :P
07:30:36 <zgrillo2004> thanks for the help
07:30:52 <zgrillo2004> I have a big day tomorrow so im gonna go as well
07:30:57 <zgrillo2004> thanks again guys
07:39:51 <V453000> also I enjoyed how he was wondering if it is a joke site XD
07:43:49 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd
07:45:22 <V453000> can GIMP export something like a .psd for photoshop?
07:47:14 <V453000> hm looks like somehow it sould
07:47:27 <planetmaker> it can at least read them
07:48:41 <planetmaker> seems it's also available in export options
07:48:53 <V453000> I pressed the magical export button but it looks like it froze :d
07:49:03 <Supercheese> my GIMP exports to .psd
07:50:04 <V453000> everything was suspiciously grayed out in the process :D
07:50:30 <Supercheese> anyway, good night
07:55:46 *** Pensacola has joined #openttd
08:00:34 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd
08:04:49 *** Progman has joined #openttd
08:41:15 *** montalvo has joined #openttd
08:41:28 *** valhallasw has joined #openttd
09:17:27 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttd
09:23:42 *** tokai|mdlx has joined #openttd
10:21:39 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd
11:54:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
12:59:21 *** Pensacola has joined #openttd
13:12:04 *** George|2 has joined #openttd
13:12:04 *** George is now known as Guest874
13:12:04 *** George|2 is now known as George
13:34:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
13:52:59 *** LordAro has joined #openttd
14:00:50 *** Ristovski has joined #openttd
14:04:27 *** andythenorth has left #openttd
14:09:13 *** oskari89 has joined #openttd
14:43:04 <LordAro> that's... not how webspace funding works...
14:46:29 <SpComb> perhaps if their production support personell is out, noone to respond to things breaking
14:47:20 <planetmaker> do I miss something on the nasa site?
14:48:41 <SpComb> www.nasa.gov is an alias for publicredirects.ksc.nasa.gov.
14:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you're privileged
14:53:36 *** DarkAceZ has joined #openttd
14:54:16 *** planetmaker has left #openttd
14:54:21 *** planetmaker has joined #openttd
14:54:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o planetmaker
14:54:57 <planetmaker> well, yes. that's not www.nasa.gov :-)
14:59:50 <planetmaker> anyway, I can't remember to have seen such folly in politics in a loooong time
15:00:15 <planetmaker> "how to ruin a country in three steps" could learn from this, I guess.
15:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "Windows Phone (8.8%, +5.0) closing up on iOS (9.5%, -1.6) market share in Germany"
15:22:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "Data based on interviews with consumers, excluding major company deals"
15:23:21 <SpComb> iOS having a 9.5% market share?
15:23:25 <SpComb> market share in what :)
15:26:18 <peter1138> I have a bit of Cisco IOS...
15:33:42 *** Prof_Frink has joined #openttd
15:44:11 *** valhallasw has joined #openttd
15:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: share in sold smartphones
15:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: there's also the android figure of 78.8%, +0.0 :)
16:15:05 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd
16:21:04 *** LordAro has joined #openttd
16:38:20 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd
16:38:23 *** Alberth has joined #openttd
16:38:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth
16:46:35 *** DanMacK has joined #openttd
17:11:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
17:19:04 <andythenorth> ho ho he gone :P
17:19:13 *** DanMacK has joined #openttd
17:25:42 *** TomyLobo has joined #openttd
17:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25802 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2013-10-01 17:45:10 UTC)
17:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:18 <DorpsGek> polish - 7 changes by joziowicz
17:46:41 <planetmaker> that guy is fast. He got translator access like 1 hour ago at most
17:47:06 <planetmaker> hm. two hours :-P
17:52:15 <Alberth> @calc 3993/7 * 2 / 24.0
17:52:15 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 47.5357142857
17:56:04 <Alberth> oh all wrong, polish is almost complete :)
18:38:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 has joined #openttd
18:47:56 *** Eddi|zuHause2 has joined #openttd
19:00:02 *** Progman has joined #openttd
19:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> this looks totally weird, the backlog on this computer is from almost exactly 3 years ago
19:06:33 <frosch123> what year do you have?
19:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i need a program that joins logfiles based on timestamps :)
19:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but the last lines from the log are:
19:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> [Samstag, 9. Oktober 2010] [10:46:26] <xiong> I'll try that, too, Rubidium. I'm trying several different approaches -- this folder, that folder, zipped, unzipped, in a folder, loose, etc.
19:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> [Samstag, 9. Oktober 2010] [10:47:45] <xiong> Bingo on installing OpenGFX, unzipped, into /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ -- FWIW.
19:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> but actually i needed this computer to boot windows, which didn't work, and then i strayed :/
19:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> windows starts to boot properly, but stops towards the end somewhere, and safe mode the same way...
19:10:52 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd
19:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the newer kde4 has extremely slow response time when switching windows
19:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> and there i strayed again :)
19:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> it feels like it has zero 2D acceleration
19:16:46 <frosch123> select a different gui schema
19:18:56 <frosch123> one without round edges
19:26:33 *** DorpsGek has joined #openttd
19:26:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DorpsGek
19:29:49 *** Hendrick has joined #openttd
19:32:22 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttd
20:15:02 <Supercheese> Joule see what I mean.
20:16:06 *** DanMacK has joined #openttd
20:16:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25803 /trunk (bin/baseset/orig_dos.obg src/vehicle_gui.cpp) (2013-10-01 20:16:44 UTC)
20:16:51 <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5738]: Draw start/stop graphics of the vehicle bar at the right place in rtl mode (adf88).
20:22:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25804 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-10-01 20:22:38 UTC)
20:22:45 <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5739]: Lower sprite and text at the vehicle bar if it is pressed (adf88).
20:23:44 <frosch123> Alberth: what are you doing? :o
20:23:50 <frosch123> is committing the new trend? :p
20:24:08 <planetmaker> fighting the tide :)
20:24:42 <planetmaker> probably not. But not hurtful either
20:24:55 <planetmaker> need be done occasionally
20:25:01 <frosch123> planetmaker: well, i was kind of amused that ottd commits stopped just when ttdp started again
20:25:25 <LordAro> you guys aren't working hard enough :p
20:25:29 <Alberth> where does that line come from?
20:25:47 <planetmaker> Alberth, from the update to base translation. which is NOT in the obg files but only lang
20:26:01 <frosch123> LordAro: they are auto generated
20:26:04 <frosch123> but not auto committed
20:26:46 <frosch123> it's one of those grey area where you commit generated files to simplify build dependencies for others
20:26:47 <LordAro> shouldn't they be generated on compilation, rather than commit?
20:27:09 <Alberth> frosch123: perhaps ttdp is stopped again? :)
20:27:12 <frosch123> like we do not require gawk to generate the script wrappers
20:27:13 <planetmaker> yes. But then grfcodec would become a build dependency. Currently it's only recommended
20:27:21 <planetmaker> and needed after maintainer-clean but not clean
20:28:29 * LordAro stays online to make sure no one says mean things about him :p
20:29:25 <Alberth> just admit you're too curious what is said here :)
20:29:47 * DanMacK slaps andythenorth around a bit with a large fishbot
20:35:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r25805 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-10-01 20:35:06 UTC)
20:35:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#5740]: Ensure the vehicle bar is high enough for the start/stop vehicle graphics (adf88).
20:40:14 * Alberth apologizes for any confusion that the DorpsGek messages may have caused
20:42:34 <frosch123> as long as you do not commit lordaro's patch, it's all fine :p
20:43:01 * frosch123 was waiting for a chance for a pun
20:43:15 *** Pereba_ has joined #openttd
20:44:11 <NGC3982> Don't be such a Rntgen.
20:44:57 <Alberth> did anyone consider subsidies in the light of cargo-dist? (FS#5766)
20:45:33 <frosch123> Alberth: i think noone ever thought about that :)
20:47:14 <planetmaker> probably a genuine omission
20:47:28 <planetmaker> I checked, the bug is real
20:47:38 <frosch123> subsidies are not exactly a popular feature
20:47:59 *** zeknurn has joined #openttd
20:48:02 <Alberth> something for the todo list?
20:48:04 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba
20:49:53 <frosch123> if it's a bug, it belongs on fs, not on the todo list
20:50:12 <frosch123> todo list is for fancy new stuff
20:50:25 <frosch123> we only were desperate enough to also mention osx there :p
20:51:02 <frosch123> anyway, i did not look at the issue, so i do not exactly know what it's abuot
20:51:34 <frosch123> but if it needs discussion how subsidies should interact with cargodist at all, it might make sense to carry it to the forums
20:51:52 <Alberth> basically, subsidies and cargo-dist have different ideas how passengers get moved
20:52:19 <Alberth> so you get subsidies with very little pax and vv
20:52:42 <Alberth> the reporter wanted to get money for pax that transferred at the destination
20:52:45 <frosch123> well, ideally it should suggest a route which would generate a lot of pax then
20:53:18 <frosch123> but ok, we could also just pay for transfers
20:53:37 <frosch123> though that might be quite imbalanced when not using cdist :po
20:54:09 <Alberth> what about pax that travel through the station without switching to another train?
20:55:02 <Alberth> I'd say you want to pay only for pax that actually go to the destination, or the meaning gets very blurry
20:55:09 <frosch123> hmm, actually... i have no idea what part of the travel should be subsidises for transfers
20:55:38 <frosch123> if you transport a->b->c->d and b->c is subsidised
20:55:44 <frosch123> but only a->d distance defiens the income
20:56:06 <Alberth> or subsidize c->d and get a negative income :p
20:56:06 <frosch123> and transporting stuff just via b->c, even if they are nowhere on the route a->d ...
20:56:47 <frosch123> yeah, i am pretty lost on what is the right thing
20:57:10 <frosch123> so, if someone can word the problem in an easy way, forums may help
20:58:01 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd
21:19:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd
21:35:04 *** DarkAceZ has joined #openttd
21:38:49 <__ln__> etiam salve, caesus magnus
21:48:23 *** Supercheese is now known as Caseus_Maximus
21:53:59 <frosch123> eus appellantur logaithmum naturalis
22:01:39 *** frosch123 is now known as rana123
22:05:03 <Caseus_Maximus> Cura te ipsum; sed si occasio est tibi mutandi in unicornem, eam carpe.
22:05:35 <Caseus_Maximus> (smashing rule -3 here, beg pardon)
22:07:25 <__ln__> according to google translate, 'ipsum' is 'football', which i might strongly doubt.
22:08:00 <Caseus_Maximus> Where on earth did they get football
22:09:14 <Caseus_Maximus> It's not quite 'be yourself', but meh
22:10:21 <Caseus_Maximus> Perhaps more of "esto te ipsum"
22:10:48 <glx> __ln__: the joy of automatic translations :)
22:10:57 <Prof_Frink> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
22:13:50 <Caseus_Maximus> The problem there is lorem ipsum is not Latin
22:20:12 <__ln__> are numbers 0-9 appropriate in latin text, or should they be I V X L C M? especially in openttd.
22:20:40 <Caseus_Maximus> Nolo legere numeros Romanos
23:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> roman numerals can't cover 64 bit integers :)
23:58:56 <Tulitomaatti> whynot? (except for zero?)
23:59:56 <Tulitomaatti> ...just that i agree that any sensible representation probably fails after... what do they have? I V X L C M? anything higher than M?
23:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> even if you allow multiple use of the numeral for 100.000, you run out of screen space :)
continue to next day ⏵
