IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-09-27
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08:30:17 <V453000> I murdered around 70k sprites yesterday along with 40k lines of code XD
08:30:40 <V453000> looks nicer and compiles (MUCH :D) faster :>
08:32:43 <planetmaker> :D you killer, you! tremblez in fear ;-)
08:34:19 <V453000> I figured having 17 colours of all wagons with 9 loading stages, while the colours were barely distinguishable from each other -and almost nobody used the engine anyway - was no the best option XD
08:34:27 <V453000> not running out of IDs now :>
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08:48:00 <LordAro> oh god, i've just made a std::map that contains "{'1', 0}," among others :L
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09:20:36 <LordAro> winning broken if statement of the week: "if (s.length() != 2 || s.length() != 3)"
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10:12:12 <V453000> 1.5 nuts birthday next week :)
10:13:05 <V453000> biiiig release coming today or on sunday :)
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10:21:02 <oskari89> TS2014 is out now, if someone is intrested :)
10:22:49 <oskari89> Just testing Class 70 + 20 loaded hoppers on Marias Pass
10:24:55 <oskari89> Out of place that consist, but its fun
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11:05:27 <V453000> only <10 updates on bananas during septembor?
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11:18:26 <oskari89> There will soon be 2 more :P
11:19:21 * Pikka may be getting back into it anon
11:19:53 <Pikka> I just got back from Venice this morning, so expect vaporetti-heavy boat grfs. :P
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12:24:54 <Dozer> Does anyone know, how I change the folder for where the autosave is stored?
12:26:13 <V453000> why would you do that :d
12:29:55 <Dozer> V453000 I play the same savegame on several computers, depending on where I am. So just want it to save it to the cloud, so I always have it with me automtically.
12:30:50 <V453000> well you could move the whole openttd folder to e.g. dropbox I assume
12:35:48 <V453000> thing is, when loading, you would have to either copy the savegame, or browse through openttd to navigate to that folder
12:36:09 <V453000> so saving it manually when leaving home/work/where-ever is probably equally demanding
12:39:50 <planetmaker> you can re-compile the game from modified sources ;-) Or read section 4.2. OpenTTD operates relative the the openttd.cfg which can be in the places as described in the aforementioned readme section
12:40:06 <planetmaker> if needed, use symlinks. If you OS / FS doesn't support them, get a better one
12:40:17 <dihedral> you can simply use the sync tool provided by the cloud provider in order to keep your autosave / save games up to date
12:41:09 <planetmaker> "good day, is there NSA headquarters? I lost a savegame due to some accident. From Sunday, around 17h local time. could you please restore it?"
12:41:59 <V453000> they dont monitor .sav files after they opened mine
12:42:26 <planetmaker> they monitor sav files because they opened yours.
12:43:04 <juzza1> create an autosave folder at the cloud and symlink it to each openttd installation. _should_ work
12:43:12 <dihedral> hidden messages in openttd :-P lol
12:43:47 <planetmaker> steganographic landscape
12:48:59 <tdammers> you know, it would actually be genuinely cool if some judge would make NSA hand you your data on demand, turning them into the world's largest backup service
12:49:06 <tdammers> not gonna happen though
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12:51:57 <planetmaker> there's no "make them do". Only "make it too expensive and difficult for them"
12:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> there was this guy of the "not-embassy" of west germany in east berlin, who locked himself out, so he knocked at the other side of the road and asked the Stasi guys who did surveillance on him whether they could open his door, since they have a key :p
12:56:59 <planetmaker> urban legend or truth? ^
13:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that was said by the person himself in an interview
13:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember which interview, was a few years ago, i thinks
13:01:58 <dihedral> where is that money gs for me? :-P
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13:46:49 <Xaroth|Work> seriously, why doesn't openttd have a trailer narrated by sean bean yet?
13:47:11 <Xaroth|Work> TS2014 does indeed
13:47:18 <Xaroth|Work> and so should openttd tbh
13:47:28 <Xaroth|Work> AndreasB: Sean Bean.. google him
13:47:37 <Xaroth|Work> or, if you're into the game of thrones tv series, Ned Stark.
13:48:05 <Dozer> planetmaker there isn't any easier way of doing it, than have to compile the entire game from scratch? :D
13:48:30 <planetmaker> I quoted all options. That was only the first
13:49:09 <Xaroth|Work> junctions on windows
13:49:14 <Xaroth|Work> symlinks on unix based stuff
13:49:40 <Dozer> That explanation didnt clear up anything for me.
13:49:56 <Dozer> If anything, it only created more questions.
13:50:16 <AndreasB> I tried mounting an HD to a dir once
13:51:15 <Xaroth|Work> then again, ms finally figured out to improve junctions by implementing NTFS Symlinks, but isn't available until vista iirc
13:51:19 <Xaroth|Work> where junctions are win2k+
13:51:57 <AndreasB> Hell no, let unix keep symlinks
13:52:00 <AndreasB> dont need that on winblows
13:52:51 <Xaroth|Work> sysadmins would disagree with you on that
13:53:06 <planetmaker> yeah, let windows lack that also in future. It'sa dying OS anyway :-)
13:53:15 <Xaroth|Work> symlinks can be quite useful, and it's pretty sucky that windows didn't support it properly until a few years ago
13:53:25 <AndreasB> For like what Xaroth ?
13:53:38 <AndreasB> what on earth could you possibly need it for on winblows?
13:53:40 <planetmaker> for like what I dozer wants for instance
13:53:53 <Xaroth|Work> AndreasB: I use junctions/symlinks on my home pc
13:54:02 <Xaroth|Work> mainly because I don't want certain stuff on certain paths, since that's my SSD
13:54:18 <Dozer> planetmaker I'm sorry to say, but windows is in no way a dying OS.
13:54:30 <Xaroth|Work> Dozer: your sarcasm meter is broken
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14:01:28 <V453000> what is the difference between ios and mac?
14:01:35 <V453000> I thought ios is the os on macs :D
14:01:41 <TinoDidriksen> OS X is Mac's OS
14:01:49 <TinoDidriksen> iOS is iPhone/iPad
14:02:34 <planetmaker> iOS is to OSX what WindowsPhone is to Windows7
14:03:11 <AndreasB> Difference is on windows only windowsphone sucks
14:03:18 <AndreasB> both ios and osx is SHIT
14:03:26 <AndreasB> everything apple touches turns to shit
14:03:49 <__ln__> AndreasB: i don't suppose you have any evidence on that
14:04:07 <V453000> because you cant shoot people with apple games? :D
14:04:11 <planetmaker> __ln__, he obviously knows first-hand. By comparing all the devices against eachother
14:04:22 <planetmaker> don't you see that from the qualified analysis he supplied?
14:04:49 <AndreasB> __ln__: One can see that by looking at apples patents, among other things
14:04:55 <AndreasB> Also I've owned an iphone
14:05:01 <AndreasB> It broke by being dropped
14:05:26 <TinoDidriksen> ...duh? Most eletronics do.
14:05:56 <V453000> any smartphone is generally very fragile to being dropped
14:05:59 <AndreasB> Did you say most electronics DOESNT?
14:06:18 <alluke> drop your tv and see what happens
14:06:48 <alluke> theyre both electronics
14:06:52 <TinoDidriksen> Most electronics break when dropped. I am confident if you subjected the Nokia and HTC to the same angle and G-force as the iPhone, they would also break.
14:06:55 <Japa> My sony phone was dropped many times
14:06:59 <AndreasB> They are not both "most electrnics"
14:07:03 <Japa> Most of the paint has chipped off
14:07:11 <Japa> and there's dust inside the screen
14:07:35 <AndreasB> Do that with an iphone
14:07:42 <AndreasB> It breaks first time you drop it
14:07:51 <TinoDidriksen> If things land flat, they're fine. If they land on a corner, probably not so fine.
14:07:51 <AndreasB> My old nokia, I through it at a wall
14:07:59 <AndreasB> Picked it up, put it back together, nothing broken
14:08:17 <TinoDidriksen> And it had the same specs as the iPhone?
14:08:37 <Japa> Generally plastic bodied phones are more sturdy.
14:09:09 <AndreasB> Did you forget remove that ONE little sand particle from your iphone-thingie?
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14:12:15 <Japa> My phone is pretty similar in specs to the Iphone 4
14:12:28 <Japa> And while I wouldn't call it indestructible, it's pretty sturdy
14:14:25 <Japa> I picked an iphone from the same year to compare it to
14:17:40 <Xaroth|Work> the apple vs non-apple fight
14:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> all smartphones are shit!!
14:19:31 <Xaroth|Work> I did, however, snigger at the price of apple's new 'budget' version of the iphone
14:19:43 <Xaroth|Work> 600 bucks, budget :|
14:24:23 <Japa> that's a whole $70 less than Sony's top phone over here.
14:25:10 <Japa> Actually, that's a bad comparison
14:25:23 <Japa> Prices in general are cheaper here
14:26:38 <Japa> 5c is the cheaper one, right?
14:27:28 <Xaroth|Work> the galaxy s4 is 520 euro, the htc one is 550, the iphone 5 (not s/c) 16gb is 620 euro here.
14:27:57 <Xaroth|Work> with the 5s to range between 700 and 1000 euros depending on amount of storage
14:27:59 <Japa> How much is the Xperia Z1?
14:28:37 <Xaroth|Work> and the lg g2 is 550
14:28:37 <Japa> That matches the price here, more or less.
14:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to phones for 20€?
14:29:29 <Xaroth|Work> they are stil there
14:29:40 <Japa> And they're still indestructible
14:29:45 <Xaroth|Work> and the 206 for 63
14:30:33 <Xaroth|Work> apparently the nokia 100 is being sold with a data bundle
14:30:44 <Xaroth|Work> that phone doesn't even have data capacity :|
14:31:24 <Xaroth|Work> (the 101 is the dual-sim version of the 100 btw)
14:32:03 <Japa> I can't remember the model number of my first nokia, but it was the one with the disco lights
14:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> my work phone says 3720
14:33:53 <Xaroth|Work> holy shit, the 206 has an apparent stand-by time of a month and a half
14:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> no clue what that cost
14:34:24 <Xaroth|Work> I should get me one of those for the zombie apocalypse
14:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> my standby time is about 2-3 weeks
14:35:05 <alluke> when will sotm voting begin
14:35:17 <Japa> What modern phone can do this, seriously?
14:36:02 <Xaroth|Work> I... am not sure if that counts as a 'must have' feature :|
14:39:38 <Japa> I'm wondering if there will be a new sony phone before I save up for my new one
14:49:04 <Japa> So, what are the chances that Sony will release another $450 phone before next year?
14:49:51 <DanMacK> Well shit... I didn't even see him here
15:00:05 <Japa> Well nice, there is one coming out. The Z1 Mini
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15:19:24 <AndreasB> jo jo :D Selvfølgelig
15:19:34 <Xaroth|Work> not that he's a viking.
15:26:48 * Japa throws V453000 out of the well.
15:26:58 <AndreasB> For SPAAARTAAA! *charges*
15:28:50 <LordAro> now, how to simplify...
15:49:20 <Xaroth|Work> looks like a lot of duplication
15:50:04 <Xaroth|Work> why not put the forloop into its own function?
15:51:02 <Xaroth|Work> make the ships a big array with one item for each type, iterate over that, function iterates for free space, done :)
15:53:44 <LordAro> "i guess i could make the whole thing one massive for loop" <-- i never sent that :L yes, that's what i was thinking
15:54:14 <Xaroth|Work> sorry, all the rabble about silly phones made me miss that bit :P
15:54:47 <LordAro> so i would end up with: "std::vector<std::vector<std::pair<int, int>>> list;" (without the typedef) :D
15:55:43 <LordAro> would actually be: "std::vector<std::vector<Piece>> list;"
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16:20:21 <LordAro> so much awesome in c++11
16:38:59 <frosch123> LordAro: that's trying very hard to use c11, isn't it?
16:39:21 <frosch123> using a shared_ptr where a reference would suffice is, uhm...
16:39:21 <LordAro> but yeah, a little :)
16:39:36 <LordAro> yeah, i'm probably not using shared_ptr correctly just yet
16:39:54 <LordAro> working out how to use them properly is on my todo list :)
16:40:53 <LordAro> but for now, well, it works, so i'll leave it :)
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17:07:49 <LordAro> this is awesome fun :)
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18:29:27 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Well shit... I didn't even see him here
18:32:21 <andythenorth> so what are we talking about?
18:32:26 <Alberth> you should agree on times to get online :)
18:32:44 <Alberth> no idea, I joined 4 seconds before you :p
18:35:23 * andythenorth should eat some food
18:35:26 <andythenorth> and code something
18:35:35 <andythenorth> does anyone play the game anymore btw?
18:38:18 <Alberth> I did it too for a bit, but am somewhat stuck what to do next iirc
18:39:09 <andythenorth> I had to playtest a new FIRS economy
18:39:13 <andythenorth> that gave me a few games
18:39:27 <andythenorth> maybe I should work on this ship set thing
18:39:36 <andythenorth> I got distracted by horses
18:39:51 <andythenorth> is anyone coding anything for ottd?
18:39:56 * andythenorth hasn't read logs for weeks
18:40:16 <Alberth> just small stuff, it seems
18:40:37 <Alberth> oh indeed, zuu is busy :)
18:40:41 <Taede> or stuff thats not for ingame
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18:52:37 <andythenorth> maybe instead of finishing all the unfinished stuff
18:52:40 <andythenorth> I should start something new
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18:55:49 * andythenorth doesn't drink coffee this late so often
19:04:32 <V453000> I think andythenorth should quit pondering and start drawing XD
19:05:05 <andythenorth> it's easy for you
19:05:54 <andythenorth> since when you can't change company colour whilst paused? :o
19:05:58 <andythenorth> maybe I never noticed
19:07:34 <V453000> depends on what you have allowed in the settings I assume
19:07:38 <V453000> if no actions, no actions I guess :)
19:08:41 <V453000> also being nuts doesnt always help with drawing :D
19:08:54 <V453000> dumped 2 days of work yesterday cuz looked bad :|
19:13:19 <__ln__> Wolf01: do you speak latin?
19:13:55 <Wolf01> no, but I wanted to learn it
19:14:15 <frosch123> gallia est divisa in partes tres
19:14:30 <frosch123> quarum unum incolunt belgae
19:14:35 <frosch123> aliorum helveticate
19:14:49 <frosch123> tertiam ipsorum linguae celtae, nostra gallae, appelantur
19:15:22 <frosch123> but sometimes it's actually useful :)
19:17:57 <frosch123> oh yes, czech uses the same cases as latin
19:18:46 <frosch123> including vocativ and locativ
19:23:07 <V453000> special form used during active consumption of beer
19:26:15 <__ln__> what is "life vest under your seat" in latin?
19:26:42 <frosch123> that's not even a sentence
19:27:40 <__ln__> i know, you can add the implicit "est" if it helps.
19:27:57 <__ln__> "chaleco salvavidas debajo de su asiento" in spanish.
19:28:55 <frosch123> google also knows latin btw.
19:29:04 <frosch123> just put it in the translator
19:29:15 <frosch123> it can't be bad, everyone uses it on tt-forums
19:30:47 <__ln__> yeah right, google's latin translations seem to be totally fucked up, even i can tell that without knowing many words of latin.
19:39:01 * andythenorth fixes flashing pixels
19:39:04 <andythenorth> mindless, soothing
21:04:19 * Belugas is going to get drunk tonight. That is a necessity!
21:08:13 * andythenorth has painted some ship stuff
21:08:17 <andythenorth> and might go to bed
21:09:00 <andythenorth> V453000: (assume realistic-ish) how would you do containers on a container ship? All same colour, or different colours?
21:09:13 <andythenorth> colours depending on cargo :P
21:09:14 <V453000> I figured containers are kind of ugly if unicolor
21:09:20 <V453000> I always randomize them
21:09:28 <andythenorth> it's just one big wodge of unicolor
21:09:46 <V453000> I mostly have ~5 colours or more for them
21:09:51 <V453000> and let random do the thing
21:09:59 <andythenorth> how many containers on one wagon?
21:10:02 <V453000> for goods specifically I also add lumber/glass/bricks to it
21:10:10 <V453000> depends how many fit and what capacity I expect
21:10:22 <V453000> (also deduces how big is a container)
21:10:42 <andythenorth> each angle has 12 in view for this ship
21:10:53 <andythenorth> and there are part-loaded states too :P
21:12:22 <V453000> including containers :)
21:12:40 <andythenorth> oh god so much sprite work
21:12:48 <andythenorth> does your week have 12 days in it?
21:13:10 <andythenorth> where do you find the time or motivation? O;
21:13:24 <V453000> andy this is just one of many spritesheets :)
21:13:39 <V453000> motivation, mostly in new ideas
21:13:48 <V453000> aka ideas for new functionality of new engines
21:13:55 <V453000> visual part is just a bonus :)
21:14:04 <V453000> there are 6 versions of duck atm I think
21:14:33 * andythenorth spent one evening just fixing bad pixels
21:14:43 <andythenorth> I looked at FIRS earlier
21:14:48 <andythenorth> I have no idea how I found time to draw it :P
21:14:55 <andythenorth> even allowing for massive copy-paste
21:15:10 <V453000> they haz nice containers too
21:15:23 <V453000> but honestly the randomizers are 80% of the beauty when it comes together
21:15:47 <andythenorth> I can randomise painting the sprites (pixa)
21:15:55 <andythenorth> but I have to choose some basic pattern :P
21:16:50 <Alberth> V453000: holy crap, that's a lot of images :)
21:17:16 <Alberth> but I fully agree, it's beautiful in-game
21:17:44 <V453000> I think randomization does soooo much
21:18:11 <V453000> e.g. for the newest wagons I made 3-10 random options for almost every cargo
21:27:45 <andythenorth> so load one side first then other?
21:27:57 <andythenorth> or both sides at once, front to back,
21:28:49 <V453000> randomize it XD I do that too sometimes
21:30:15 <NGC3982> I have no computer at my disposal, and my damn smartphone is too small for OpenTTD.
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