IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-07-09
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00:06:35 <glx> then openttd search on the system
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09:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i would report a spam at the german forum, but the report button only works with javascript enabled...
09:27:16 <Xaroth|Work> I should fetch me a trunk checkout if I want to go fiddle more with libottdadmin2 :o
09:34:08 <Xaroth|Work> one needs a graphics set, even though you do not use a video driver (or sound, or music for that matter)
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09:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there is stuff like mapgen-heightmaps in there
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09:55:52 <peter1139> which hardly anyone uses
09:55:57 <peter1139> cos it's not used by tgp
10:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> minor details... :p
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10:59:58 <zooks> can anyone point me to the code where the pathfinder selects a random direction (if the vehicle has no orders)?
11:00:14 <planetmaker> Xaroth, yes... we would need to remove the original mapgen (difficult) or move those sprites elsewhere
11:00:27 <planetmaker> zooks, there's no random :-)
11:00:50 <zooks> isn't that (pseudo) random behaviour?
11:01:41 <planetmaker> I'm not entirely sure, but I would not think so. The files should be src/pathfinder
11:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> zooks: i think it deterministically picks the trackbit with the lowest number
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14:00:58 <andythenorth> Diamonds travel in bags, not tonnes
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15:32:29 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: took me a while, but yes, there's been some changes to the admin port that libottdadmin does not handle
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15:32:33 * Xaroth|Work is putting that into v2
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15:35:14 <Xaroth|Work> hm, the version name is trimmed
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15:43:01 <frosch123> aw, planetmaker answered in the ttdp forum thiniking it is about ottd
15:43:07 <frosch123> when will he get flamed? :)
15:46:08 <Xaroth|Work> epic popcorn moment \o/
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15:57:59 <planetmaker> oh, hi, frosch123 :-) Indeed I didn't notice
15:59:34 <planetmaker> I'll spam-bin my posting :D
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16:05:23 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth :-)
16:05:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker: for quarry / clay pits 'pits' and 'workings' both make sense in British English
16:06:05 <andythenorth> also 'works' covers all kinds of factory-type industries
16:07:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: any opinion on returning a list of possible station names, instead of just one?
16:07:35 <andythenorth> I am wondering if it's quite easy to extend the property, or provide it as a cb
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16:09:44 <planetmaker> aye, ok. So I take it that 'pit' as I used now is fine :-)
16:10:06 <andythenorth> 'pit' is also ok for deep mines in British English
16:10:59 <planetmaker> hm, I didn't know that :-)
16:11:17 <scshunt> a pit mine usually means specifically an open mine
16:11:29 <andythenorth> not where I grew up
16:12:30 <andythenorth> pits have a pithead
16:12:35 <andythenorth> which is at the top of the mineshaft
16:12:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: maybe better in coop channel - but is there a bad bus factor with Ammler missing?
16:13:24 <andythenorth> does anyone know what happened to him?
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16:19:08 <frosch123> andythenorth: purchase list callback should work
16:20:02 <andythenorth> industry has purchase list? :o
16:20:08 <andythenorth> or I misunderstand? :)
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16:20:26 <frosch123> i mean cargotype 0xFF, no industry variables accessible etc
16:21:01 <frosch123> we could also make a town callback
16:21:07 <frosch123> for inner-town names
16:21:32 <andythenorth> return value would be the list, or a single name?
16:21:55 <frosch123> resolving the name should be a single callback
16:22:07 <frosch123> first guess would be something like cargo subtypes :p
16:22:24 <frosch123> name generation calls callback while iterating a index until it fails
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16:22:39 <frosch123> later one the callback is called with the same id whenever the name is needed
16:23:05 <frosch123> should work fine as long as you keep the realism junkies out, who want to use a certain name only during some years
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16:23:46 <frosch123> and want to autorename lenin station to ruble station in 1990 or so
16:24:19 <andythenorth> I was considering naming stations "the people's metal-converting industry fourteenth district #27"
16:24:28 <andythenorth> but of course, I could just name the industries that way :P
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16:35:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: cement plant -> kilns
16:36:26 <planetmaker> as temporal succession?
16:37:25 <andythenorth> 'plant' might also fit some industries
16:38:12 <planetmaker> yes. but wasn't the idea to reduce names?
16:38:46 <Alberth> isn't "kilns" shorter than "cement plant"? :p
16:39:08 <planetmaker> :-) both get in my patch the station name 'industrial estate' or so
16:40:15 <andythenorth> I think we can reduce groups of industry to one name
16:40:23 <andythenorth> dunno how many groups there are though
16:41:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth, look in the english.lng. That's the amount of different names I introduced
16:41:30 <planetmaker> I only left out very few industries which get no special station name at all
16:41:35 <planetmaker> mostly the wood ones
16:41:38 <andythenorth> I'm just going to leave all this to you :)
16:41:55 <planetmaker> not good. you're the native speaker :D
16:42:10 <andythenorth> yeah...but overhinking it is silly :)
16:42:23 <andythenorth> we can ship it, and players will have their say
16:42:25 <Alberth> :Sandbank -> :Lake side ?
16:42:33 <planetmaker> btw, what I noticed during writing this: the properties in the single industries don't follow a common order
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16:42:47 <andythenorth> I wondered about cleaning that up
16:43:01 <planetmaker> Alberth, well... not lake side. sea side rather :-)
16:43:07 <andythenorth> I think the order is legacy all the way back to nfo
16:43:08 <Alberth> andy makes unique industries in many different aspects :)
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16:44:07 <planetmaker> indeed, he does :-)
16:44:57 <Alberth> perhaps sort the new strings?
16:45:18 <planetmaker> Alberth, yes, that definitely needs doing
16:45:38 <andythenorth> I try and keep groups of strings alphabetised
16:45:40 <planetmaker> it's not yet ready for commit. Just a draft to discuss names
16:45:42 <andythenorth> much easier to work with
16:45:49 <planetmaker> and possibly assignment of those to industries
16:49:43 <Alberth> naming a station for a aluminium plant a "powerplant" seems wrong :)
16:50:31 <planetmaker> complain to the green-skinned person here ;-) But I like it
16:50:41 <planetmaker> I also assigned that to steel mill
16:52:10 <Alberth> only entry/leave/rename messages are green in this window :p
16:54:12 <Alberth> a mill for brick works? are the brick works moved to an old mill perhaps?
16:54:33 <planetmaker> well... going by nicknames, you're green and frog is yellow ;-)
16:54:50 <planetmaker> Alberth, it's station names... historic name :-)
16:55:13 <planetmaker> 'Old townhall', 'mill', 'Oude Kerk', ... :-)
16:56:01 <planetmaker> that was the thinking behind these not-fitting station names
16:56:48 <Alberth> you could name a few mines also "pit"
16:56:52 <andythenorth> also it's a nice troll on 'unrealistic' :P
16:57:48 <planetmaker> yeah, I just learned today that mines are also called pit in BE. I'll actually do that, Alberth :-)
16:58:38 <Alberth> afaik "pit" just means "big hole in the ground", right? :)
16:59:14 <planetmaker> in BE it obviously can also be sub-surface miens
17:04:44 * Alberth was wondering how Belgium was involved here, until I realized BE means UK :)
17:05:33 <Rubidium> might it not just mean Brittish English?
17:05:53 <planetmaker> yes, I got that abbreviation from my dictionary
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17:08:09 <LordAro> hai Alberth & planetmaker :)
17:08:22 <planetmaker> and bye for now... see you in an hour maybe :-)
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17:45:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25578 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-07-09 17:45:43 UTC)
17:45:57 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:58 <DorpsGek> czech - 6 changes by Eskymak
17:45:59 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 1 changes by Brumi
17:46:00 <DorpsGek> japanese - 262 changes by guppy
17:46:01 <DorpsGek> polish - 6 changes by wojteks86
17:46:02 <DorpsGek> portuguese - 61 changes by JayCity
17:46:03 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 48 changes by Tucalipe
17:46:04 <DorpsGek> slovak - 2 changes by Milsa
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19:14:44 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: what did you plan on having libottdadmin do anyhow?
19:15:18 <planetmaker> There's a few things I would need:
19:15:44 <planetmaker> b) provide logs of what was done by whom ingame, including connection data (IP, nickname)
19:16:24 <planetmaker> c) provide configuration / rcon via IRC to IRC ops
19:16:54 <planetmaker> d) provide the revision of the openttd version currently run (-> download link)
19:17:06 <planetmaker> e) update openttd to new revision
19:17:18 <planetmaker> This all of course is a bit beyond what libottdadmin can do itself
19:17:26 <Xaroth|Work> well, a-c is doable
19:17:32 <planetmaker> but what would fit into a supybot openttd plugin :-)
19:17:33 <Xaroth|Work> heck, i just tested rcon :P
19:17:45 <planetmaker> a) and c) is the really important things
19:17:47 <TWerkhoven> he wants replacement for autopilot basically
19:18:19 <planetmaker> Xaroth, we always can ammend openttd source :-P
19:18:20 <Alberth> TWerkhoven: join the fun, code some parts of it
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19:18:31 <TWerkhoven> im already busy learning python
19:18:41 <Xaroth|Work> work in progress still
19:18:48 <Alberth> TWerkhoven: good good
19:19:15 <TWerkhoven> the last coding i did was c++ and vbasic, both of which were over 10y ago
19:19:19 <Alberth> lots of Python projects here that need improvements :)
19:19:30 <Xaroth|Work> python is a fun language
19:20:16 <Alberth> much easier to use than c++. Don't know about vbasic (never used it)
19:20:39 <Alberth> which might be a good thing :p
19:21:01 <Xaroth|Work> depends if it's .net or not .net tbh
19:21:15 <planetmaker> why a completely new repo, Xaroth ?
19:21:16 <Xaroth|Work> on error resume next
19:21:22 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: because it's a complete rewrite
19:21:28 <TWerkhoven> tried a bit c# just for fun, but just didnt have much to create at the time
19:21:33 <Xaroth|Work> and i prefer github over bitbucket
19:21:43 <TWerkhoven> lol, just as well i didnt start then
19:22:51 <Xaroth|Work> there's still a few dozen things that need to be rewritten
19:22:56 <Xaroth|Work> but the start is there
19:23:00 <Xaroth|Work> it can connect, it can send stuff
19:23:04 * andythenorth wonders what next
19:23:06 <Xaroth|Work> (lots need documentation as well)
19:23:15 <andythenorth> this 'station names are a list' thing? o_O
19:23:31 <TWerkhoven> so whats up there of your rewrite would be sufficient to set up a connection and send rcon commands?
19:23:34 <Xaroth|Work> or rather, the packets sent/received from/to openttd
19:24:21 <Xaroth|Work> from libottdadmin2.client import * ; a = AdminConnection(password="<admin_port_password>") ; a.connect(host)
19:24:30 <Xaroth|Work> but AdminConnection is basically a wrapper around socket.socket
19:25:23 <Xaroth|Work> it has 2 main functions; send_packet and recv_packet
19:25:26 <TWerkhoven> it simplifies stuff for ppl who are new to sockets though
19:25:39 <Xaroth|Work> the first takes the packet class as first arg, then kwargs for that packet
19:25:51 <Xaroth|Work> as in: a.send_packet(AdminRcon, command="say test")
19:26:14 <Xaroth|Work> recv_packet returns None if something went wrong, else (<packet type>, {data})
19:26:22 <Xaroth|Work> though I've added a simple event system to it as well
19:26:50 <Xaroth|Work> so you can just subscribe to those to receive packets
19:27:23 <Xaroth|Work> (authentication works by that same method)
19:27:56 <TWerkhoven> the logging is a nice touch as well
19:28:12 <Xaroth|Work> blatantly ripped from my home-built download system
19:28:21 <Xaroth|Work> mixins are too damn useful for that
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20:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> so... that was cherry picking...
20:40:19 <Xaroth|Work> bit crude approach, but it works
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20:54:40 <andythenorth> perfect for Diamonds
21:27:36 <Rubidium> isn't the US going to intercept such a plane?
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21:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: obama specifically said that he'd not send jets to intercept such a plane
21:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before they blocked the air route for the bolivian president
21:40:28 <NGC3982_> I love where this is going.
21:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate that they're trying to spin the personal snowden story instead of working through what was actually published
21:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: with a z most definitely
21:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "República Bolivariana de Venezuela"
21:59:21 <__ln__> will putin let snowden leave though?
22:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't he?
22:03:33 <__ln__> because he could exchange him for almost anything with the US.
22:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what would the russians do with alsaska? they have sibiria, it looks exactly the same there :p
22:15:57 <NGC3982_> One could imply that a Russian Alaska would be quite the strategical stand-point.
22:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982_: well the joke is that the russians sold alaska to the USA for that exact reason back in the 19th century
22:17:59 <NGC3982_> I'm quite glad that the US and Russia are not next to each other.
22:18:05 <NGC3982_> They would war, and war, and war again.
22:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> this way they're actually closer together
22:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the bering strait is narrower than the distance between alaska and washington state
22:43:46 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 39 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
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23:29:22 <Nat_aS> Sarah Palen can see Russia from her house
23:33:37 <NGC3982_> Something tells me my girlfriend fed the cats with milk today
23:33:59 <NGC3982_> Since i just came from a serious diarrhea cleanup.
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23:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't quite fit together...
23:34:57 <NCG3982> Cats are unfortunately lactose intolerant by nature.
23:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> not that i'm an expert on cat health issues
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23:46:07 <peter1139> Never stopped my cat enjoying milk..
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23:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there are different levels of lactose intolerance
23:47:42 <NCG3982> And i actually do not think intolerance is the right word to use
23:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the lowest level is just not being able to process it. which applies to pretty much all human adults
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23:51:24 <NCG3982> Bah, i don't wish to work tomorrow.
23:51:31 <NCG3982> Please, stand in for me.
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