IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-03-26
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10:28:38 * peter1139 ponders a pc upgrade
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10:45:50 <peter1139> or maybe... shock horror... a laptop
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11:10:59 <peter1139> hmm, what's the best way of sending X clients in a VM to the host machine?
11:11:15 <peter1139> i'm using ssh -X at the moment cos i'm lazy but encryption isn't exactly required
11:13:18 <__ln__> assuming trusted network, say "xhost +" on the host, and export DISPLAY=host:0.0 in the VM. no guarantees on bestness, but at least no encryption.
11:13:53 <Sacro> and then set up port fowarding to the outside world
11:14:17 <__ln__> an honest person doesn't have anything to hide.
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12:59:58 <peter1139> arguments against tab characters are stupid
13:00:14 <peter1139> "it appears different depending on tab size" no shit, that's the point
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15:08:30 <alandarev> can anyone give me a link to tutorial setting up a server?
15:08:54 <alandarev> how can I configure a server to be something like a 'town growth challenge'
15:20:12 <planetmaker> Did you have a look at our wiki, alandarev ?
15:20:50 <planetmaker> for things like 'town growth challange' have a look at the available goal/ game scripts
15:20:59 <planetmaker> you configure that in the script settings
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16:20:02 <alandarev> planetmaker: I have issues :( openttd requires libicu38 as dependency, but I got libicu48 and obviously can not downgrade. what should I do?
16:31:33 <planetmaker> alandarev, openttd builds fine for me with libicu48
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16:33:11 <planetmaker> if you talk about the pre-compiled openttd shipped with debian, that it doesn't it is linked against the wrong libicu, that's a debian bug
16:33:19 <alandarev> planetmaker: ah so you compile it? I try to install from downloaded .deb and also tried apt-get install
16:34:15 <planetmaker> you don't by chance have mixed main backports experimental packages?
16:35:03 <planetmaker> which debian do you talk of?
16:36:42 <planetmaker> right. I just used apt-get on wheezy. No issue there
16:37:34 <planetmaker> thus you got to be much more specific
16:37:58 <planetmaker> what did you try on which system with what things installed
16:38:14 <planetmaker> what did you see and what did you expect to see?
16:39:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I think alandarev installed some (old) version acquired from somewhere and assumed it should just work
16:41:36 <alandarev> planetmaker: I am running debian wheezy. i checked in apt-cache openttd version, it is 1.2.3 when I try to install: openttd : Depends: libicu38 (>= 3.8-5) but it is not installable
16:43:48 <Rubidium> wheezy doesn't have 1.2.3
16:45:40 <Rubidium> and if you try to install the lenny binary from OpenTTD's website, then you'll get that error
16:45:49 <alandarev> Rubidium: Whoa, that seems to be correct information. then 1.2.3 came from when I tried to dpkg -i the debian package downloaded from openttd.org
16:46:01 <alandarev> and yes, I need 1.2.3, as my windows client is 1.2.3 :)
16:46:16 <Rubidium> use the one from debian unstable
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16:46:38 <alandarev> Rubidium: can I download a package from 'not my' repository?
16:47:18 <Rubidium> hmm... even experimental (an old one to be precise)
16:47:37 <alandarev> ok, I will try to find the solution, thanks to givine me a direction.
16:47:55 <planetmaker> alandarev, or use the generic linux binary. They are statically linked
16:48:30 <alandarev> planetmaker: ehm, I don't have enough knowledge to understand what you meant :(
16:50:33 <alandarev> okay thanks, Can't now but I will as soon as get some time.
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18:02:28 <andythenorth> has anyone translated FIRS yet?
18:02:44 <andythenorth> I have 32 compile errors I can't kill, all missing translations :(
18:03:01 <andythenorth> compile errors are Not Allowed :(
18:03:24 <Alberth> remove the offending lines?
18:03:33 <andythenorth> or delete the translation?
18:03:56 <andythenorth> afaict, deleting the lines produces an error
18:04:14 <planetmaker> missing strings must not produce an error
18:04:47 <Alberth> at least not in the translation, as it should fall back to the english base language
18:05:51 <andythenorth> yup, missing lines don't show an error in stdout
18:05:54 <andythenorth> which is nice :)
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18:45:31 <alandarev> can anyone find me openttd-data 1.2.3 package for debian?
18:45:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25124 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-03-26 18:45:28 UTC)
18:45:41 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:42 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 16 changes by chenwt0315
18:45:43 <alandarev> can't find it at snapshot.debian.org
18:45:44 <DorpsGek> japanese - 13 changes by Aknuth
18:45:45 <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093
18:45:46 <DorpsGek> latvian - 4 changes by Parastais
18:45:47 <DorpsGek> welsh - 159 changes by kazzie
18:48:07 <alandarev> finally installed. damn it is way more harder than should be...
18:48:13 <alandarev> someone should push 1.2.3 to debian stable :(
18:55:12 <Alberth> it's called 'stable' for a reason ;)
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19:20:03 <alandarev> planetmaker: I am not having 'monitor' on my server, how can I install add-ons and configure server without getting brain cancer?
19:22:07 <planetmaker> edit your config file to your needs. Or prepare the game locally and upload to server and start that ready-made map
19:22:16 <planetmaker> the latter arguably is a lot easier
19:22:34 <alandarev> planetmaker: and what about the add-ons?
19:27:34 <Alberth> just copy them to the same location as your prepared setup
19:27:46 <planetmaker> what Alberth said :-)
19:27:56 <planetmaker> content can also be obtained via rcon from the server
19:28:22 <planetmaker> but must be done before you try load a map which needs it
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19:47:12 <andythenorth> so FIRS docs have two sections, one for players / translators, one as code reference
19:47:30 <andythenorth> what else should be in industry code reference? I figure anyone who cares can read the source
19:48:33 <Alberth> why all the black exclamation marks?
19:49:56 <andythenorth> warnings that the cargos may be different in other economies
19:49:59 <andythenorth> doesn't work tbh
19:51:54 <andythenorth> tempted to not render the cargo classes in the docs
19:52:03 <andythenorth> just to prove the point that nobody should rely on them
19:52:12 <andythenorth> or I could put a snarky message in the docs :P
19:52:39 <HellTiger> hm i have logic problem in my orders. i have station 1, 2, 3, 4. station1 load, unload at 3. station 4 load unload at 2.
19:53:00 <HellTiger> now the train dont skip he try to do things at his hold. but he could drive through
19:53:24 <HellTiger> he should skip hold 2 until he was at 4
19:54:01 <planetmaker> use non-stop orders
20:31:32 <Afdal> Hello, can someone tell me how to check pathfinding settings from the console in-game?
20:32:45 <V453000> can you be more specific?
20:33:14 <Afdal> I suspect someone doesn't have their yapf two-way signal penalty set to 10000 or whatever and I want to check
20:33:33 <Afdal> red two-way reading end-of-line penalty I mean
20:33:50 <V453000> just type set -name-of-setting
20:34:10 <Afdal> Oh wait that's yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol isn't it?
20:34:14 <V453000> in this case I think it is yapf.rail.firstred_twoway_eol
20:34:16 <V453000> or something like that
20:34:50 <Afdal> Forgot about the "set" part
20:34:56 <V453000> you can find all settings in your config file, just ctrl+f them to know the exact name
20:35:07 <Afdal> Yeah but I can't check this from the cfg because it's
20:35:15 <Afdal> had to see from their own game
20:35:50 <V453000> just giving advice when you need a different setting next time
20:36:03 <Afdal> Why would someone turn that off anyway?
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20:37:55 <Afdal> I could have sworn I never had to mess with that
20:38:07 <V453000> not since forever, but now it is
20:38:15 <Afdal> Well gee, why is it off by default?
20:38:24 <Afdal> That's a pretty important setting for advanced networking
20:38:30 <V453000> I guess the 2way behaviour is too unexpected
20:38:41 <V453000> not that I like that it is off on default either
20:39:08 <V453000> all of our articles which require 2way eol to be on, have it mentioned
20:39:20 <V453000> and everywhere else it probably does more harm than good
20:39:25 <Afdal> You mean your openttdcoop stuff?
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22:25:32 <alandarev> is there a mod for openttd where price of cargo is calculated based on nearest available resource spot rather than where my railway station is?
22:35:28 <alandarev> sad :( why nobody would make one? makes so much sense :)
22:42:03 <andythenorth> :o there is doxygen
22:42:12 <andythenorth> I never noticed that before :P
22:42:19 <alandarev> that sounds like an interesting idea
22:42:32 <alandarev> strangely nobody did it
22:43:49 <andythenorth> I would consider a multiplier on the cargo payment calculation
22:43:58 <andythenorth> for which distance to nearest source is a factor
22:44:09 <Zuu> andythenorth: Most methods in OpenTTD are fairly well documented with respect to doxygen comments.
22:44:10 <andythenorth> you'd need to exclude pax and mail, and other pax or mail-like cargos
22:44:31 <andythenorth> this would give you a spot price per-tile on the map
22:44:35 <andythenorth> rather than a global price
22:45:01 <andythenorth> I don't know how intensive calculating cargo payment is, you might need to consider caching and how to invalidate caches
22:45:16 <andythenorth> but as newgrf can run a custom payment calculation, it *might* be ok
22:45:33 <andythenorth> although 'what newgrf can do' is not always a good guide to performance afaict
22:45:49 <andythenorth> you also need some gui way to represent this
22:46:11 <andythenorth> railroad tycoon 3 had a heatmap overlay for the main map to show price per cargo
22:46:26 <alandarev> andythenorth: and I got 0 experience in any of those :( Would rather see someone pick the idea
22:46:44 <andythenorth> well in that case it can get in the queue of ponies
22:46:48 <andythenorth> but it's a long queue
22:46:55 <andythenorth> and there are very few developers ;)
22:48:11 <alandarev> andythenorth: I don't mind learning and sounds like fun.. but just need to worry about my studies for next couple of months.. Mybe next time if nobody implements it before
22:48:46 <andythenorth> studies are important
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