IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-02-06
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00:00:51 <peter1138> just knocked ~ 4ms off that
00:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a discussion?
00:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i was under the impression a discussion involves 2 or more people with different opinions exchanging arguments
00:57:25 <Supercheese> Pikka: my 0-6-0 goods engines keep swapping their paint schemes when the train autorefits
00:57:47 <Supercheese> All black when freight-ish stuff, then to colorful then autorefit to goods
00:57:49 <peter1138> woo, knocked off another couple of ms :p
00:58:27 <peter1138> (checking at the start if i need to check for buffer overflow
00:58:33 <Supercheese> I suspect engine-liver-based-on-train-cargo was implemented before autorefit :P
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03:28:43 <Bonez305> wow i suck at this game lmfao
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09:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> mantje mantje timpe te
09:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> buttje buttje in de see
09:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "British high court rules that copyright infringement is more akin to trespass than to theft, with the result that the copyright holder has no claim on the proceeds or profits from the illegit activities"
09:57:21 <goodger> now we just need to end this ludicrous treatment of copyright infringement as crime
09:59:38 <blathijs> goodger: Doesn't that basically mean just removing copyright altogether?
10:00:09 <goodger> no, but it should be something you are sued for (tort), rather than something you are arrested for (crime)
10:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: civil law vs. criminal law
10:01:25 <goodger> though I should point out that only distribution is a crime, and consumption is a tort
10:05:22 <blathijs> goodger: Ah, like that
10:06:23 <goodger> I also favour a reduction of copyright's scope, but that's a separate matter
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10:09:35 <goodger> peter1138: I'd reduce the terms, expand fair use, etc
10:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> scope as in time, or what is covered?
10:13:30 <goodger> it doesn't matter; this country has no effective democratic process, so any potential reform is beyond my influence
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10:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "democratic process" isn't something god-given. you must demand it, otherwise it won't be there...
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10:26:58 <planetmaker> the price of freedom is eternal vigilance?
10:27:10 <planetmaker> good morning everyone also :-)
10:27:50 <gooodger> we can't demand democratic process, we just have to hope the current system installs a set of politicians willing to provide it
10:29:07 <planetmaker> that sounds way too defiant. You can take things into your own hands. Raise your voice. Become involved
10:29:41 <planetmaker> If you're not willing to stand up for your ideals and ideas - why should others?
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10:30:00 <SpComb> are we talking about tt-forums or what? :)
10:30:39 <SpComb> down with the orudge tyranny!
10:34:31 <gooodger> orudge is a fine fellow
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10:53:35 <peter1138> hmm, i wonder how much heat will be generated by running my cpu at full performance?
10:53:44 <peter1138> cpu temp is currently 20°C
10:53:56 <peter1138> (better than last week when it was 8°C)
10:54:05 <TinoDidriksen> Pfft, modern CPUs are so cool you can't even fry stuff on them.
10:54:17 <peter1138> TinoDidriksen, it's a 5 year old AMD...
10:55:09 <TinoDidriksen> 20°C is still nothing. My old machine used to reach 90°C...had to use a limiter program to prevent it from shutting down past 80°C.
10:55:32 <peter1138> TinoDidriksen, i know it's nothing, maybe reread my question? :)
10:56:04 <TinoDidriksen> I did read it. My point was more that even at max, modern CPUs just won't fry stuff.
10:56:22 <peter1138> i didn't ask about frying
10:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "You know the world is going to hell when CVE must change its numbering scheme to allow more than 9999 security bugs per year"
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10:59:24 <andythenorth> Rubidium: 24972 \o/
11:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "D-Link Firmware: v2.09EU Build: 09beta01: Fixed D-Track-HQ20130104000005:Manual date limited to 2012.."
11:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "D-Link Firmware: v2.09EU Build: 09beta02: Modify Manual date to 2040."
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11:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "D-Link Firmware: v2.09EU Build: 09beta03: Modify Manual date to 2037."
11:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> -#define TWO -2.0 /* -2 */
11:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> +#define TWO 2.0 /* 2 */
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16:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "can't be bothered to shower"->first world problem; "no water to shower"->third world problem; "what is showering?"->private television problem
16:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the kind that don't have public funding
16:31:33 <goodger> ah, commercial television
16:32:12 <peter1138> cos the bbc is not commercial
16:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the kind that makes the cheapest programs that reach the most viewers
16:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and because like everywhere, the dumb viewers far outnumber the intelligent ones, so this results in ever dumber programmes
16:34:41 <goodger> sounds like ITV to me
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17:51:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24975 trunk/src/viewport.cpp (2013-02-06 17:51:05 UTC)
17:51:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5463]: Additional zoom in levels could glitch by a few pixels due to incorrect rounding.
17:59:57 <peter1138> PIKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
18:00:25 <Pikka> industry coding is "fun"
18:00:47 <Pikka> probably in a different way though
18:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "ACTA is dead. long live TAFTA"
18:33:46 <frosch123> hmm, someone was hungry...
18:33:53 <frosch123> ... and ate most of the bugs
18:35:11 <peter1138> non-platform-specific bugs, anyway
18:38:53 <frosch123> yeah, looks like osx is like a big pile of plumb protecting the bugs under it from any radiation which might harm them
18:42:28 <peter1138> i do like my mother
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18:45:29 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24976 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-02-06 18:45:20 UTC)
18:45:30 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:31 <DorpsGek> korean - 16 changes by telk5093
18:45:32 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 1 changes by Stabilitronas
18:45:33 <DorpsGek> malay - 2 changes by richz
18:48:54 <Pikka> who's going to get r25000? :)
18:49:06 <Terkhen> someone who commits :P
18:49:19 <peter1138> probably some dodgy hidden commit by TB :p
18:50:18 <TrueBrain> I would never do such thing! (A)
18:55:13 <frosch123> whoever commits r25000 had to pay for the party
18:55:23 <frosch123> if it is translators, then tb steps up :)
18:56:18 <frosch123> anyway, it's still way too cold for a party :s
18:56:27 <frosch123> maybe we should go to terkhen's place
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19:08:20 <Rubidium> frosch123: you could make a beta2 release, or fix FS#3764 ;)
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19:08:49 <frosch123> yeah, i should fix 3764 :)
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19:14:21 <wojteks86> can anyone please explain how do I translate "Your average cool engine" from 2cc trainset?
19:15:06 <Rubidium> hmm... or isn't that the from the crazy set?
19:15:26 <frosch123> no, 2cc is a completely ordinary set
19:15:36 <frosch123> i am surprised they use the word "cool"
19:15:42 <frosch123> sounds like a bug :p
19:16:32 <peter1138> and "Your average", tbh
19:18:36 <wojteks86> dont know, I just opened the original English lang file
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19:32:24 <Supercheese> Hmm, I can't seem to get this patch to properly apply again
19:32:54 <frosch123> yeah, usually you can only apply them once
19:33:19 <Supercheese> frosch: do I just svc checkout again or something?
19:34:16 <frosch123> you might also be interested in "status" "revert -R ." and "update -r foo"
19:34:39 * Supercheese is not well-versed in patching
19:34:50 <Supercheese> I click "apply patch" and hope it automagically works :P
19:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: usually you need to delete all new files added by the patch, then run "svn revert" on all the other files
19:36:36 <Supercheese> That seems to indeed help, thanks
19:37:35 <peter1138> woaaaaaaaaaaaah ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
19:37:42 <peter1138> ahhh hahhhah hahhhhhhhha hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
19:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause> he's finally gone mad
19:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no, he's just been crazy before. there's a small but subtle difference :)
19:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which, i always wondered whether the guy's called "Alfred E. Neumann" in the english version as well
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19:41:12 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, i was crazy before, this is just the dark side
19:41:13 <Supercheese> "New-mun" vs. "Noi-mann" :P
19:41:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i believe he has like 7 names in 5 languages
19:43:41 <Terkhen> frosch123: the flat that I share wouldn't be able to hold many people for the party :P
19:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: we can go outside, it's nice weather
19:44:42 <frosch123> Terkhen: i don't like an indoor party, that's why i want it somewhere warm :)
19:45:09 <frosch123> or we have to postpone it till summer
19:45:15 <Supercheese> actually, I have no idea how the weather there is
19:45:25 <Supercheese> or anywhere in Europe, really :P
19:45:49 <frosch123> here is snow temperature
19:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> we'll maybe have an r26.6k party :)
19:46:28 <Supercheese> I've only ever been to the UK, the weather there was generally bleh, I'll presume southern Europe has nicer climates
19:46:58 <Rubidium> sorry, but that's a bad number. 28k8 is much nicer
19:47:32 <frosch123> even r26k6 would not be this year
19:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, but that takes too long :p
19:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> just commit cargodist, one patch per line :)
19:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and YACD as well, watch them battle each other :p
19:48:46 <Rubidium> "new map features" will help a lot
19:50:08 <Supercheese> Rubidium: I just compiled that :)
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19:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: only if you call it "new map array" :p
19:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> (and then say "this was the final commit. so long, and thanks for all the fish"
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20:13:11 <peter1138> when i was tought it, anyway
20:13:26 <Double-O-3982> If i - In Debian - wants to make a usb drive act as a folder in (let's say) /home/name/disc-drive-folder. Is 'mount' what i'm looking for?
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20:16:05 <Alberth> you need 'mount' to attach anything to the file system; modern systems have auto-mounters though, they mount the disk at the moment you stick the usb stick in the machine
20:16:39 <NGC3982> I see. The drive is already mounted then, and i need to "move it".
20:16:45 <Alberth> no doubt auto-mounters are configured somewhere too, but I never bothered to find our where that is
20:16:48 <frosch123> make a symlink then
20:17:15 <frosch123> ln -s /media/FOOBAR /home/name/disc-drive-folder
20:18:30 <Pikka> why is there no control code for "normal size" text?
20:19:18 <andythenorth> where is roadtypes plz?
20:19:42 <Supercheese> andy: roadtypes are in trunk, you mean newgrf roadtypes :P
20:19:58 <andythenorth> also that picture is very pretty
20:19:59 <Pikka> good question andythenorth
20:21:16 <Alberth> it's a steam train :)
20:25:22 <NGC3982> Alberth, frosch123: Thank you.
20:26:10 * Alberth liked the steam tram more than the beer
20:26:32 <andythenorth> Pikka: so is TaI done then?
20:27:17 <Pikka> just trying to work out how to convey complex gameplay factors in THREE SHOUTY WORDS!
20:27:33 <Pikka> one industry done about 80%
20:27:39 <andythenorth> MOAR KITTENS PLZ?
20:27:41 <Pikka> and once one is done, it's all cut and paste, right? ;)
20:28:10 <andythenorth> gah, can't type and eat :P
20:28:55 <Pikka> my problem at the moment is telling the player the difference between "this industry is closing, but you can save it" and "this industry is closing, and you can't save it"
20:29:18 <Supercheese> just disable industry closure
20:29:25 <Pikka> while keeping the language natural, and fitting it into a news message headline :)
20:30:38 <andythenorth> Pikka: you could use swearing?
20:31:11 <andythenorth> openttd is a bit polite currently
20:31:14 <andythenorth> it should swear more
20:31:30 <andythenorth> maybe a new lang
20:31:36 <Pikka> actually I thought about making a "humourous" town name set, to make the millions of new games required for industry testing slightly less dull
20:31:40 <Pikka> but then I couldn't be bothered
20:32:25 <Pikka> news headlines short and not terribly informative
20:32:34 <Pikka> actual gameplay information in the industry window
20:32:47 <Alberth> andythenorth: make a pirate language version
20:33:21 <andythenorth> Pikka: news mesage: "lolwut this industry is a bit wtf"
20:33:24 <Pikka> more like an archaeologist language version
20:33:25 <Supercheese> Best project ever
20:33:30 <Pikka> talk like phil harding day
20:35:10 <Supercheese> OTTD should be released in Piratespeak for Talk like a Pirate day
20:35:42 <Supercheese> All vehicles disabled except sailing ships
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20:37:17 <andythenorth> I can't decide how broken FISH 2 is
20:37:25 <andythenorth> it's either 'just a little bit broken'
20:37:32 <andythenorth> or it's totally borked and I should can it
20:38:01 <Rubidium> can it and irradiate it
20:38:40 <Supercheese> canned FISH is too common, put it in a mug
20:40:54 <andythenorth> Pikka: should ship generations gain capacity? Or just speed?
20:41:46 * Supercheese likes the current generation scheme in FISH
20:41:53 <Supercheese> +speed, +capacity
20:42:20 <andythenorth> then you just have to scrap a few ships on the route
20:42:32 <andythenorth> it's the most boring kind of route micromanagement
20:43:35 <Supercheese> scrapping ships on a route when upgrades become available seems *gasp* realistic
20:44:34 <andythenorth> it's not very interesting
20:44:43 <Pikka> fish has too many ships
20:44:53 <Pikka> I think most vehicle sets have too many vehicles
20:45:33 <Pikka> I think our OpenTTD needs boiling down a bit
20:45:38 <Supercheese> and Baskin Robbins has too many flavors of ice cream
20:45:59 <andythenorth> Pikka: parameter: minimal set of ships?
20:46:25 <andythenorth> if I ever resurrect my truck set...it gets 2 trucks per generation
20:46:28 <andythenorth> and some weird ones
20:46:44 <Pikka> I don't know about parameters for minimal sets
20:47:19 <Pikka> might be better to build minimal from the ground up
20:48:01 <Alberth> 1 vehicle per newgrf :D
20:48:35 <Supercheese> ≈63 new vehicles max
20:49:14 <andythenorth> minimal ships eh?
20:49:19 <andythenorth> what would get included?
20:49:24 <Alberth> already in the default set I use less than 1/2 of the trains on normal rail
20:49:52 <Pikka> andy: one "normal" ship per generation
20:50:02 <Alberth> andythenorth: pick 8 random ships each time you start a game :p
20:50:20 <Pikka> and maybe one "small" ship per 2 or 3 generations, if you think you need one
20:50:31 <andythenorth> Pikka: I had to add all the stupid tankers :P
20:50:45 <andythenorth> most MP games seem to use the Island Trader
20:50:52 <andythenorth> 360t, and fastest ship
20:51:22 <Pikka> also, the fewer things you're trying to balance, the easier the balance is ;)
20:51:24 <Alberth> I use a big one, 1080t iirc
20:52:25 <Supercheese> Oh wow, does Wolfram Alpha use the Game of Life as a "processing" image?
20:52:42 <andythenorth> Alberth: but you could use 3x360t ? o_O
20:54:25 <Alberth> and for other stuff than coal it is probably even a good idea
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20:58:59 <andythenorth> cast iron radiators
20:59:05 <andythenorth> kill my wifi signal every time :P
21:11:39 <Markk> What does that mean? :o
21:15:02 <Markk> Of course I should just rtfm. :)
21:16:46 <Alberth> sometimes people need a gentle push :)
21:18:37 * NGC3982 pushes Markk of a clift.
21:19:16 <Markk> Sometimes it's easier to just ask. :)
21:27:00 * andythenorth removes ships from FISH 2
21:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> is that related to an ocelot or a zealot?
21:36:00 <Kjetil> and what about sir.codes-a-lot ?
21:37:48 <andythenorth> Pikka: well that is easy :)
21:37:56 <andythenorth> but where's the challenge? :P
21:40:53 <Alberth> since you want to keep the odd ones, I'd say remove the even ones
21:41:44 <andythenorth> is anyone translating FIRS stuff?
21:41:55 <Alberth> you changed more strings?
21:41:59 <andythenorth> might be time for next x.x.foo release
21:42:17 <andythenorth> Alberth: dutch is up to date
21:43:09 <Alberth> yep, just 11 outdated false positives :)
21:46:12 <andythenorth> Pikka: how about just a 35t ship?
21:46:19 <andythenorth> if you have more cargo, get more ships...
21:46:34 <Pikka> I think if anything, big ships are better
21:46:41 <Pikka> differentiates them as a transport mode more
21:47:09 <andythenorth> I find that they're differentiated by going on water :)
21:47:15 <andythenorth> trains aren't so good at that
21:47:23 <andythenorth> especially if you use a sensible bridge grf
21:47:50 <Alberth> but then you need more ships than wagons delivering the stuff to the dock
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22:49:40 <peter1138> my "less" has been playing up recently
22:49:51 <peter1138> scrolling to the top or bottom of a file made it lock up for a few seconds
22:49:59 <NGC3982> This is where i host my Ottd servers now
22:50:03 <NGC3982> ..And it's finally done.
22:50:13 <Supercheese> Neatly tucked away where no one would suspect, eh?
22:50:17 <NGC3982> I'm never going to touch it again.
22:50:20 <peter1138> so i just ran less -M -S instead, and it worked fine, showing the line and character counts as expected, no lock ups
22:50:36 <peter1138> and now it doesn't lock up without those paramters anymore... wtf?
22:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i need glasses...
22:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i just read "that's less weird", and thought wtf?
22:54:59 <Pikka> it's always annoying when that happens
22:55:12 <Supercheese> If it's broken, break it again until it's fixed
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