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08:21:50  <dihedral> greetings

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08:34:12  <peter1138> Herp Derp!

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09:30:12  <dihedral> anybody know how i can disable broadcast and multicast packets traversing through my bridge?

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09:50:17  <Noldo> what do you have to work with?

09:51:20  <Noldo> but isn't it kind of the feature of a bridge to let them pass

09:54:36  <dihedral> i am forced in using a bridge by the provider :-(

09:55:01  <dihedral> but i do not want all the gibberish send to bradcast addresses on port 138 e.g.

09:55:36  <dihedral> ifconfib br0 -multicast does not do what i am expecting

09:55:57  <dihedral> eth0 is on the outside, eth1 on the inside, and i want to find a way to not see all the broadcast packets on eth1

09:58:26  <Rubidium> just drop the right packets in the FORWARD queue in iptables?

09:58:38  <Rubidium> i.e. the ones going to a broadcast/multicast address

10:00:51  <dihedral> that is probably what i am going to opt for, yes

10:01:05  <dihedral> though the default policy is drop already

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10:17:36  <dihedral> i get broadcasts for stuff that's not even supposed to be in my broadcast domain :-S

10:20:47  <NGC3982> Morning.

10:52:03  <dihedral> that does not work :-(

10:56:54  <peter1138> ebtables

10:57:27  <peter1138> Packet forwarding is different to bridging.

11:17:31  <dihedral> thank you peter1138, I'll give that a try

11:31:34  <dihedral> thank you peter1138, that does the trick

11:48:52  <peter1138> cool beans

11:50:34  <dihedral> only needed 3 little rules: allow arp, drop mulicast, drop broadcast

11:50:57  <peter1138> nice

11:51:10  <peter1138> i've never used it, just knew of its existence.

12:04:49  <NGC3982> Hey, guys and animals.

12:05:12  <NGC3982> A good english word to describe a truck stop where goods are unloaded for <what ever> industry?

12:05:39  <NGC3982> Longfield Goods Truck Stop doesn't sound ..that great.

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12:20:54  <drac_boy> hi

12:25:57  <dihedral> NGC3982, cargo bay #2

12:26:26  <peter1138> pretty much ^

12:27:13  <drac_boy> what this about? grf cargo slots?

12:27:27  <peter1138> no

12:27:44  <NGC3982> dihedral: That sounds nice. THanks.

12:27:51  <NGC3982> -H+h

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14:14:23  <Belugas> hello

14:20:53  <ntoskrnl> hi

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15:26:20  <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT5RDYf5LA4

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15:28:21  <NGC3982> peter1138: I saw that very same people live in Kronoberg, a few months ago.

15:28:48  <NGC3982> That/those

15:28:55  <NGC3982> It's a fine tradition.

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16:32:30  <Belugas> quite a nice drummer they have :)

16:32:44  <Belugas> smelly, but it does keep on its timing heheh

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16:47:33  <Bad_Brett> if I use STORE_TEMP in one switch, can I use LOAD_TEMP in another switch?

16:48:33  <Bad_Brett> it seems so

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16:54:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Bad_Brett: as far as i understood it, the value stays valid until the callback returns

16:54:35  <Bad_Brett> Hmmm

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16:57:12  <Bad_Brett> this should mean that I can't access temporary values from the "graphics" callback in the "name" callback, right?

16:58:12  <Bad_Brett> I'm trying to change the name of the house depending on the current sprite

16:59:11  <Eddi|zuHause> no, you need permanent storage for that (animation state and stuff)

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17:00:42  <Bad_Brett> this one?

17:00:42  <Bad_Brett> STORE_PERM(value, address)      Store value in permanent storage (industries, airports, towns only). Note that accessing permanent town registers thrashes the contents of temporary register 0x100.

17:01:31  <Eddi|zuHause> houses don't have that

17:01:47  <Bad_Brett> yeah, that's the problem

17:02:20  <Eddi|zuHause> the animation must be set to a fixed value and stop there, to use that as permanent storage

17:02:49  <Bad_Brett> hmm tricky... i may skip this for now, it's not that important

17:02:59  <Eddi|zuHause> it certainly has been done before

17:03:15  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have never coded a house, so i don't know any details

17:04:45  <Bad_Brett> i had this little idea that towns that aren't connected to the transport network would eventually become "ghost towns". i would basically change the graphics, include "(abandoned)" in the building name and decrease the cargo production

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17:14:18  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a neat idea initially, but may have the same problem as industry closure on large maps, where the player might find totally empty areas after a while,,,

17:14:37  <michi_cc> The related object of houses is the town they are in, which means you should be able to use the town permanent storage (as http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Storages#Persistent_storage_accessed_by_GRFID indicates).

17:15:06  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, this may be a valid case for town storage

17:15:33  <Eddi|zuHause> is there GRM for that, or does each grf have its own storage?

17:16:58  <michi_cc> Own storage per GRFID. Read access to all storages, write access only to the own storage.

17:20:25  <Bad_Brett> but here's the thing... the houses will get renovated after a while if you connect them to the transport network. so i do not intend to remove the houses, just lower the production and change the look of them :)

17:20:28  <Eddi|zuHause> ah, ok

17:21:29  <Bad_Brett> michi_cc: interesting... i'm gonna try that

17:21:47  <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, there were town variables for number of passengers/mail transported, and the company ratings (but only the first 8 companies, i think)

17:22:26  <Eddi|zuHause> so you can check whether a player has ever touched this town

17:22:32  <Bad_Brett> yes, i'm using those already

17:23:03  <Eddi|zuHause> but if you want to renovate the houses one-by-one, you still need the animation state

17:24:15  <Bad_Brett> yep... that's the problem

17:26:02  <Bad_Brett> of course, i could do a dirty solution and do the same calculations for every callback

17:27:22  <Bad_Brett> by the way, if i use random bits in two callbacks that are called at the same time, will i get the same value?

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18:24:05  <Code601> Can i still enable build while paused in the recent version? I can't find the option for it

18:24:33  <Code601> 1.2.3 innit

18:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause> it's in the advanced settings

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18:26:51  <Code601> thanks eddi, found it

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18:40:15  <Wolf01> evenink

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18:41:08  <frosch123> evening Wolf01, hai Alberth :)

18:41:19  <Wolf01> hello Alberth :)

18:41:29  <Alberth> hai Wolf01, evening frosch123 :)

18:46:07  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24771 /trunk/src/lang (9 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-28 18:45:54 UTC)

18:46:08  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

18:46:09  <DorpsGek> basque - 17 changes by lutxiketa

18:46:10  <DorpsGek> belarusian - 6 changes by KorneySan

18:46:11  <DorpsGek> croatian - 6 changes by VoyagerOne

18:46:12  <DorpsGek> dutch - 1 changes by habell

18:46:14  <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium

18:46:15  <DorpsGek> finnish - 1 changes by jpx_

18:46:16  <DorpsGek> greek - 36 changes by Evropi

18:46:17  <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 31 changes by

18:46:18  <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86

18:46:19  <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf

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18:47:15  <Superuser|AFK> ηος οφτεν δοεσ τηισ ψομμιτ

18:47:16  <frosch123> in winter my inner clock is always totally off

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18:47:41  <Superuser> oops

18:48:12  <Superuser> is committing changes from Web Translator an automated process?

18:48:19  <Alberth> inner clock is fine, it is light too late, and dark too early :)

18:48:43  <frosch123> Superuser: 19:45 amsterdam local time it starts collecting stuff from wt3

18:48:48  <Alberth> Superuser: it's automagic probably

18:48:53  <frosch123> depending on the amount of changes the commit takes some time

18:49:34  <frosch123> hmm, though it might even work on utc time, since afaik tb has to fix the time every march and october

18:49:59  <__ln___> what does it matter when the commit happens?

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18:52:37  <Alberth> it should be done before the automagic build process starts :p

18:52:52  <Superuser> wait a sec.jpg

18:52:59  <Superuser> are you making a new release of OpenTTD?

18:53:12  <Superuser> or just nightly?

18:53:24  <Alberth> nightly

18:53:36  <Superuser> ah ok, oof

18:53:48  <Alberth> unless some one else did stuff before I entered

18:53:51  <__ln___> why doesn't the nightly follow the same timezone then?

18:54:25  <Alberth> __ln___: you're unbalanced :p

18:54:36  <Superuser> stress on the computer that builds it?

18:54:40  <Superuser> compiling is an extremely resource-intensive process

18:54:47  <Alberth> as for your question, I don't know

18:55:07  <__ln___> Superuser: computers don't have feelings, they don't stress

18:55:09  <Superuser> just a theory by the way, I was not saying that in a mocking tone or anything, lol

18:55:10  <Alberth> Superuser: yep, especially Windows builds afaik

18:55:15  <Superuser> hahaha

18:55:56  <Alberth> __ln___: they do get heated up :)

18:56:17  <__ln___> and turned on?

18:56:35  <Alberth> they are, 24/7 ;)

18:57:12  <Superuser> you guys sure seem to hate the environment then :'(

18:57:14  <Alberth> so why is there no interesting post in tt-forums any more?

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18:59:14  <glx> Superuser: it's done on the server anyway

19:00:33  <__ln___> the openttd server infrastructure could be limited to 4 hours per day availability to save the pandas.

19:00:33  <Superuser> ah egg-celent

19:00:57  <Superuser> every time you download a new build of OpenTTD, an eskimo dies

19:01:07  <Superuser> those poor little eskimoes :'(

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19:27:14  <Rubidium> actually, OS X compiling is about 50% slower

19:27:39  <Rubidium> and if you want something resource intensive, try rebuilding zbase from scratch; that is, rerender all files

19:28:46  <Superuser> well, that's not really a program, that's 3D rendering...

19:28:57  <Superuser> also, Rubidium, you a Ruby fan too?! :D

19:29:28  <Rubidium> I've not written a single line or Ruby ever

19:29:56  <Superuser> oh okay, because your name sounds like 'Rubinium', which is an alternative implementation of the Ruby programming language

19:30:34  <Rubidium> so you're not a chemist

19:31:06  <Alberth> Rubidium got his nick way before the programming lanugage came into existence

19:31:21  <Superuser> ... before 1991?

19:31:33  <Superuser> Which, by the way, was the very year the WWW was invented

19:32:09  <Alberth> Ruby is that old??? :O

19:32:41  <Superuser> yeah, older than PHP

19:33:03  <Superuser> PHP and Ruby are spiritual successors to Perl

19:33:04  <Superuser> but PHP is doing it wrong :P

19:33:18  <Rubidium> I think the 1990 variant of Ruby is better

19:33:43  <Alberth> PHP smells like C to me

19:34:12  <Superuser> PHP smells like Shit to me

19:34:25  <Alberth> Perl has at least useful string functionality in the language

19:34:34  <Rubidium> but yes, I was discovered in 1861

19:34:43  <Rubidium> and I'm slowly falling apart ;)

19:34:43  <Belugas> PHP smells like computer screen to me

19:34:58  <Alberth> hi Belugas!

19:35:00  <Rubidium> I'll be half myself in only 49 billion years

19:35:04  <Belugas> you're so old, Rubidium

19:35:14  <Belugas> hi hi Alberth!

19:35:25  <Superuser> oh actually my bad, Ruby has been around in draft form since 1993, but Matz had ideas since he got a job as a C++ programmer and programmed in C++ exclusively for two years, starting 1991 (poor guy!!!)

19:35:32  <Superuser> thanks Wikipaedia :)

19:35:38  <peter1138> PHP... :-(

19:36:17  <Rubidium> oh... and I'm more abundant than copper

19:36:20  <peter1138> "Personal Home Page" yeah

19:37:14  <Superuser> it is now called PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor actually, joining a long line of UNIX program names hahahahah

19:37:24  <peter1138> well yes, they renamed it

19:37:36  <Alberth> for some reason you need a turing complete programming language to make a text-page at the web :(

19:37:44  <Superuser> but yeah, PHP's origins are very much like those of a typical open source project: guy had a problem to fix, did it himself

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20:54:59  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24772 /trunk/src (4 files) (2012-11-28 20:54:56 UTC)

20:55:00  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Call Window::OnEditboxChanged only when the content changes, not when only moving the cursor.

21:03:37  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24773 trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp (2012-11-28 21:03:34 UTC)

21:03:38  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Shift in the OSK behaved like capslock.

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21:14:32  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24774 /trunk/src (4 files) (2012-11-28 21:14:28 UTC)

21:14:33  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Invert the focus handling of the OSK. Keep the focus at the OSK and close it on losing focus. This makes the editbox in the OSK behave correctly.

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21:21:14  <Terkhen> hello

21:22:05  <frosch123> hola terkhen :)

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21:42:48  <Terkhen> ooh, strings :)

21:44:51  <frosch123> :)

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21:49:36  <DanMacK> Andy been around tday?

21:49:49  <Terkhen> it's been short but intense :)

21:49:50  <Terkhen> good night

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22:23:50  <Wolf01> 'night all

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22:30:52  <NGC3982> @calc 270 / 2

22:30:52  <DorpsGek> NGC3982: 135

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