IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-11-16
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01:04:51 <drac_boy> silly non-game question heh...any of you know of any good pcie wireless cards? I only knew a bit about a few pci ones before so mm yeah :-s
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02:19:05 * drac_boy whumps flygon with a pillow
02:19:40 <drac_boy> doing ok, trying sort out computers but meh ;)
02:21:40 <drac_boy> what you doing anyway?
02:26:30 <Flygon> Someone did one of those Downfall-Hitler-scene-resubtitlings with regards to myki
02:26:43 <Flygon> myki being the ticketing system being rolled out around Victoria
02:26:46 <Flygon> It's surprisingly effective
02:27:02 <drac_boy> is that the weird one where someone acts like he's hilter .. even being rude toward certain things?
02:27:34 <Flygon> I'll send it via query
02:28:02 <drac_boy> someone shared a clip some tim ago of him being fired from being a bus driver .... and one of the reprimd was that he was cursing at the childrens all the times!
02:30:07 <Flygon> In Australia, everyone bloody curses
02:30:24 <Flygon> Not that bloody is a curse word :p
02:32:19 <drac_boy> to bloody hell with you flygon :P
02:32:38 <Flygon> Hell aint a curse word either, mate
02:32:51 * drac_boy whacks flygon anyway
02:33:01 <Flygon> Yay! I'm being whacked!
02:34:19 <drac_boy> flygon btw I think theres a video you hadn't seen yet....
02:34:49 <Flygon> There's many videos I haven't seen yet
02:36:21 <drac_boy> 'chattanooga choo choo' .. its a mix of several different B&W clips together in a humorful way ....
02:36:31 <drac_boy> even has at least two short parts to do with the three stoogies too :p
02:37:20 <Flygon> I don't often watch videos
02:38:10 <drac_boy> one of my few favorite part in that clip tho is when someone gets onto the step-on thing for the very last coach in the train .. but then turns around calling his friend to hurry up .... then .... the train starts leaving ....
02:38:28 <drac_boy> and just as he turned around to step onboard....WHAM .. onto pavement instead .. and his rushing friend trips up just as badly too :)
02:38:35 <drac_boy> talk about a silly slapstick
02:40:40 <drac_boy> and flygon its in so many different movies but theres always that moment where you think the train is going crash but then it suddenly diverts onto a different route?
02:41:17 <Flygon> Not many movies I see have trains in them, to be honest
02:41:35 <drac_boy> theres still some good slapsticks to be had with cars too tho .. but mm
02:42:03 <drac_boy> nothing like crashing a car into tree ... then BOINK BOINK BOINK comes down apple after apple onto the poor driver's head ;->
02:42:35 <drac_boy> or of course driving in the fall season .. crash into tree .. and WHUMP .. a big heap of leaves everywhere
02:42:45 <drac_boy> doesn't happen for real but still too silly to watch ofc
02:44:18 <Flygon> Australia doesn't have a fall season
02:44:30 <Flygon> It's called Autumn here, and trees don't really shed that many leaves
02:44:43 <Flygon> It comes with the usually sub-tropical climate
02:45:55 <drac_boy> btw flygon some people might think these outback trucks are crazy but I think they're perfectly normal ... meh .. just ride the passenger seat in my modified landcruiser and you'll find out soon enough its a similar bumpy long ride too
02:46:36 <Flygon> What sort of truck are you talking about here?
02:46:55 <drac_boy> volvo ... mack ... just about any of them? :)
02:47:51 <Flygon> Are you talking about a 4WD? :P
02:48:36 <Flygon> (and yes, some trucks here are configured for DMU operation... it's cheaper than laying 3000-5000km of rails :p)
02:49:17 <Flygon> I've never really ridden one
02:49:22 <drac_boy> well..your first link's same then ;p
02:49:34 <Flygon> Closest I've been to outback is regional New South Wales
02:50:20 <drac_boy> flygon ... mm well near here theres a lot of bare country with little or no populations ... and a lot of the roads are ... well ... don't bother expecting any smooth ride a lot of the times
02:50:41 <drac_boy> so yeah its not too far removed from the australia outbacks .. except australia doesn't have tons of trees :)
02:50:45 <Flygon> Here, 90% of the population lives in the South-East coast
02:50:53 <Flygon> The rest is fairly desolate
02:51:16 <Flygon> I probably live in the state with the most well maintained roads :p
02:51:31 <drac_boy> flygon one moment let me find some 'similar' photos to show you...
02:58:16 <drac_boy> these four comes close to the roads around here anyway :)
02:58:34 <drac_boy> and yes thats a tight U turn on the first link
02:59:39 <Flygon> They're unmitigated nightmares :|
02:59:56 <drac_boy> heh why nightmares? :)
03:03:02 <Flygon> They appear dangerous to drive on
03:03:48 <drac_boy> they're pretty normal actually .. the danger is idiot drivers .... say that calfornia plated car in the ditch on a perfectly straight country highway during winter...seriously :->
03:04:56 <drac_boy> I've never done anything except 50-80km/h ... except for the few rare tight corners
03:08:36 <Flygon> I go 80-100km/h on dirt roads here, slower on worse ones (obviously)
03:08:47 <Flygon> But it helps the roads are perfectly straight, often
03:09:01 <Flygon> Wet weather slows everything down to hell, though (dammit brakes, BRAKE!)
03:12:12 <drac_boy> flygon ofc theres nothing like a 'new' car heading north toward a slight-uphill curve at a bit slow speed (as is usual) ... only to almost jump through the roof when out of the thickly-treed curve comes a 80km/h tank which then proceed to blast by in several seconds worth of thick dust cloud
03:13:03 <Flygon> Why would you drive a new car on a dirt road?
03:13:16 <drac_boy> some drivers always makes me wonder what the hell they are thinking
03:13:59 <drac_boy> and btw flygon I actually once saw a ferrari on one of the rutty paved road .... like umm yeah .. the driver should know that a few km up the road it changes to moss-covered gravels :-.
03:14:09 <drac_boy> I never stayed around to check .. heh
03:14:22 <Flygon> If you want to drive a fast car
03:14:39 <Flygon> Buy a 5 year old car that was once marketed as a musclecar
03:14:50 <Flygon> Great acceleration, nice top speed, cheap price!
03:16:06 <drac_boy> flygon the worst offender recently of course was a strange one..... one of these recent ford "fullsize sport" pickup that also only came with rwd alone too ... stopped toward side of road .... so mm I had to come to a stop and back up to then ask them just where they were trying to go to....
03:17:07 <Flygon> (you may wanna shoot me, I drove on dirt roads in a FWD :p)
03:17:08 <drac_boy> they told me they wanted to go further northwest .. I'm like yeah do you have a locker on THAT thing? .... whats a locker? .... ummm how much do you know about offroading anyway? ... not much ... well you better just forget about it and turn around now otherwise you are so going to be stuck period
03:17:31 <drac_boy> the roads they had wanted to head to .. I knew it was steep and quite rutty
03:17:55 <Flygon> Here, offroading boils down to "Is it a compact? No? Good, go offroading"
03:18:01 <drac_boy> and no cell .... so ... yeah it is not hard to do 2+2=duh
03:18:16 <drac_boy> otherwise if you get stuck = you're very sol with noone around
03:18:24 <Flygon> This does make it not unusual to have complete strangers towing others out
03:18:37 <drac_boy> maybe but theres very few vehicles around tho
03:18:38 <Flygon> eg. 4WD's being unbogged by FWD Sedans
03:18:54 <drac_boy> so its best to forget about going if you're not already in a group .. that and having full drive too
03:19:12 <Flygon> There is different protocol for more regional areas here too x3
03:19:57 <Flygon> I would not go driving in more remote areas of Australia without enough water to supply a man for a month (in seperate tanks, in case of puncture), plenty of food, and possibly a Sattelite phone
03:20:20 <Flygon> The car'd need AWD/4WD functionality, obviously :p
03:20:29 <drac_boy> flygon mind you some of the roads even if not steep can be quite scratchy .. there's one particular long stretch that is almost straight but you really only can do about 40-50km/h max on it .... hint: too many "waves" in the surface aside to rain runoff mini-ditches too
03:20:49 <drac_boy> so yeah its a lot of bouncing around in the cabin .... and being hopeful your head doesn't hit the roof
03:21:33 <drac_boy> a few times I've actually managed to do complete air time on THAT stretch .. all four tires in air ... and thats not easy to do with a heavy vehicle :)
03:22:12 <drac_boy> others are not so crazy but still ... you have to slow down literally nevertheless
03:23:46 <drac_boy> flygon mind you even the smooth paved roads still have their own surprises too
03:23:59 <Flygon> I've had plenty of air in my old car too, but that wasn't too often... and it's more often a reminder I'm breaking 100km/h :p
03:24:10 <Flygon> drac_boy, if you want surprises, go on the Calder Freeway in Victoria :p
03:24:32 <Flygon> "Not sure if driving on Freeway, or riding on a Rollercoaster", as one man once put it :p
03:24:42 <Flygon> And it's 110km/h legal the whole way through...
03:27:27 <drac_boy> nothing like a long 90km/h road then going into an easy curve .. only to find theres a big hump hidden in there ... oh fsck!!! [brakes howling] ... THWMP WHUMP! ... *checks tail isn't fishtailing* ... [transmission rudely crashes into lower gear]
03:29:27 <drac_boy> anyway flygon I'm going to bed soon, see you another time ok? :)
03:29:45 <Flygon> Go in a car that goes into 2nd gear from 4th @ 110km/h :p
03:29:51 <Flygon> Calder Freeway does crazy things to a car
03:30:08 <drac_boy> and flygon theres a few weird instances where eg theres a 'speed bump here!' sign .. nothing happens ... then several hundred meters later ... thumthump! .. yeah theres your "overdue" speed bump warning!
03:30:22 <drac_boy> anyway bye now allright? :)
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14:47:05 <Belugas> god... we are moving the office to a new building. They gave us one day to pack everything: next friday
14:47:21 <Belugas> i cannot decentrly do it on such little time...
14:47:41 <Belugas> i'm starting to pack right now!
14:47:56 <Belugas> i expect to find some very old stuff ;)
14:48:10 <Belugas> like this book : Windows CE2 for dummies...
14:58:25 <Alberth> just forget everything you want to have renewed?
15:01:18 <Belugas> wish I could. i guess i'll rather do: if (DateToYear(Now) - DateToYear(object.date) > 5) Then Trash.Send(object);
15:03:33 <Alberth> anybody who does not move fast enough perhaps :p
15:04:55 <Alberth> btw packing can be done very quickly if you don't try to sort anything
15:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that zips every file individually...
15:14:28 <Alberth> works better when you have to distribute the files across several boxes
15:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you can more easily spread a tar among equally sized boxes
15:22:31 <Alberth> as long as you don't shuffle boxes during the move :)
15:25:17 <Belugas> tycoondemon : no, we just need a different style of office, more space etc..
15:25:55 <Belugas> Alberth: sorting is mandatory! My desk is a real paper mess :( not to mention all those pinpads sitting there for eons..
15:27:18 <Alberth> everything 2 inches below the top is yellow enough to throw away without looking?
15:35:31 <Belugas> or unreadable? or not enough dust layer? or not enouh coffee stains?
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15:43:31 <Rubidium> Belugas: you must then have too much crap ;) Just pack the needed essentials (i.e. the guitar) and trash the rest ;)
15:44:08 * Rubidium packed in 5 minutes, which included disconnecting and packing the cables of the computer and monitors
15:56:30 <tycoondemon> Belugas: good to hear, a lot of companies are downsizing-by-layoffs these days :O
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16:04:52 <DanMacK> Any plans to bring your roundhouse sprites up to date?
16:05:49 <supermop> how so? like fix the grf?
16:08:43 <DanMacK> Haven't tried it in latest trunk
16:09:27 <planetmaker> roundhouse? and hello :-)
16:10:09 * planetmaker wonders what a roundhouse might be...
16:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the one that kicks? :)
16:19:16 <DanMacK> The one that stores locomotives
16:23:34 * Belugas knows how well organized Rubidium is. Thus, his desk must be way cleaner. Thus easier to move..
16:24:10 <Belugas> unlile your humb;e servant, who lives in a mess, a real mess...
16:24:26 <Belugas> must be one of the reasons my bosses did not allowe you in ;)
16:24:37 <Belugas> image of the company hehehe
16:25:14 <Belugas> tycoondemon, let say that layoffs are not that common in here. thankfully
16:28:09 <supermop> would you like to see a change to the sprites?
16:30:10 <supermop> the coding is too hard for me, especially with no nml support for stations
16:37:17 <supermop> guess i won't be getting an answer there
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16:44:50 <MNIM> You know what would be nice? anti-waypoints.
16:45:13 <MNIM> like waypoints, but instead of passing through them, vehicles should avoid them at any and all costs.
16:46:10 <MNIM> or orders to avoid something at all costs.
16:46:14 <supermop> a station can do that
16:46:28 <MNIM> Yeah, except that no, it did not work
16:46:39 <supermop> a train will avoid passing through a station not in its ordered
16:46:41 <MNIM> 'cause that's exactly what I thought too
16:46:56 <MNIM> 'cause I have a train that did pass through.
16:47:23 <supermop> well you can add more stations to increas the relative penalty
16:47:25 <MNIM> 'cause I should use the word "'cause" less.
16:47:54 <MNIM> supermop: if I had the available place for that I would have had the available space for waypoints on the route it should have been using
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16:48:22 <supermop> if the other route is too long, has too many backwards signals, or Xs, it will still have a lower penalty to pass the station
16:52:59 <supermop> MNIM: maybe un-ordered waypoint or station penalty is configurable in the cfg?
16:53:10 <supermop> so you could increase it?
16:53:58 <supermop> what are you trying to do with those?
16:54:58 <MNIM> the upper depot is shared between the HS line and some slower lines. both have to pass through sunfingfield, but of course I want to keep 'em separated apart from that depot.
16:56:44 <MNIM> I just killed more than threehundred peeps.
16:57:19 <supermop> it seems like the depot is after the HS line splits off?
16:57:25 <MNIM> correction. more than 700.
16:57:53 <MNIM> supermop: the depot waiting lanes connect on the other side too
16:58:30 <supermop> ok, then shouldn't the waypoints be there at that connection?
16:58:43 <MNIM> there are waypoints there, too.
16:59:53 <MNIM> the trouble seems to be that my trains enter the sunfingfield HS station from the depot and then try to go to their next station which of course they cannot go to since it's not along the HS line.
17:00:13 <MNIM> resulting in those slow trains being stuck on my HS track.
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17:01:49 <supermop> where the tracks cross back to the slow lines before the station
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17:08:16 <MNIM> supermop: it should have waypoints there indeed, but as I said, no place.
17:09:09 <MNIM> that station, those depots and the junction right behind the station fit *just* on that piece of land. I can't stretch it anywhere.
17:09:19 <MNIM> but nevermind, I found the problem.
17:09:29 <MNIM> all those trains that got stuck there were electrical.
17:09:38 <MNIM> turns out I didn't electrify a piece of track they need.
17:10:47 <supermop> get rid of those two path signals - put them behind the cross over
17:13:48 <supermop> are you on the forum?
17:24:46 <MNIM> I reverted to an older save whithout trains on the wrong tracks and fixed the electrification.
17:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> again with this station limit... i'm only halfway through the great plains and already out of signal towers :(
17:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i'm already at the foot of the rocky mountains
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18:30:24 <FLHerne> Only takes me two hours to glance at my IRC client...
18:30:45 * FLHerne was busy being unsurprised at the PCC election results
18:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a PCC election?
18:32:59 <FLHerne> Police and Crime Commissioner - basically, a post the current (Conservative) Government invented to get their ex-MPs elected to :-(
18:33:56 <FLHerne> Turnout has been universally <20%, with a couple of polling stations achieving a record 0% turnout...some very large percentage were blank votes, too :P
18:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds useful :p
18:36:46 <FLHerne> Turns out that no-one thinks politicising the police is a good plan, except the politicans. As always.
18:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> let me guess, they're selling it a s a huge victory for their plan
18:40:09 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Apparently "the electorate were not sufficiently informed because the liberal and London-centric media [no PCC for London] didn't tell anyone, and it was dark at the time, and everyone will vote next time"
18:40:19 <peter1138> they're not reporting on the spoiled votes much
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18:41:07 <FLHerne> Ironically, they were being very critical of <30% union turnouts only a few months ago and now find themselvs defending turnouts ranging from 10-20%
18:45:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24752 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2012-11-16 18:45:22 UTC)
18:45:33 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:34 <DorpsGek> catalan - 1 changes by Bassals
18:45:35 <DorpsGek> croatian - 3 changes by VoyagerOne
18:45:36 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 22 changes by Tucalipe
18:45:37 <DorpsGek> swedish - 2 changes by Joel_A
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19:12:37 <andythenorth> it's that, or I have to troll lego forums
19:12:41 <andythenorth> one of those is fun
19:12:56 <Rait> what should happen when i try to load a corrupted savegame?
19:13:05 <Zuu> so you ask us to save you from trolling a lego forum?
19:13:08 <andythenorth> also, new NoCarGoal version o_O
19:13:16 <andythenorth> probably needs testing right?
19:13:27 <Zuu> Hopefully it works fine :-)
19:13:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker Yexo Rubidium Hirundo Alberth et al ^^^^
19:14:04 <Zuu> It have no revolutionary new things in it. No industry construction. Just a bit wiser goal selection.
19:14:17 <Zuu> And a sign at your HQ telling your medal status.
19:14:39 <Alberth> Rait: undefined behavior, ie anything is possible
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19:15:25 <Alberth> please consider me in, after making some tea
19:15:36 <planetmaker> sounds like an evening where I'd join in, too
19:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Rait: if the file on disk was corrupted, likely the decompression will fail and it'll bail out of loading with an error message
19:16:20 <andythenorth> can anyone set up a game on the server?
19:16:25 <Zuu> and we can test froschs new clear buttons for edit boxes :-)
19:16:38 <andythenorth> can we test 'rv stops don't cause an assert' ?
19:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> if decompression magically succeeds and the data is corrupted, you may hit any kind of assert imaginable
19:16:44 <Alberth> Zuu: a very revent nightly thus :p
19:18:11 <Zuu> NUTS + eGRVTS + FISH + HEQS + some station sets?
19:18:35 <andythenorth> + CHIPS, even though it's broken
19:18:38 <andythenorth> and the new FIRS?
19:19:19 <Zuu> Is it the same FIRS as last weekend?
19:19:29 <andythenorth> also the new FISH 2 alpha 4 from bananas
19:19:47 * Rubidium waves to andythenorth
19:19:58 <andythenorth> how many players?
19:20:08 <Rubidium> I hope it's HEAD-ish
19:20:17 <andythenorth> if we have 7 years, 30k with 3 players *should* be achievable
19:20:27 <andythenorth> 4 players we should have bigger target...
19:20:39 <andythenorth> some other game :P
19:20:47 <Alberth> peter1138: just testing :p
19:21:28 <Rubidium> playing? We're trying to reproduce a desync
19:21:53 <Rubidium> (one that needs at least two ones to be called reproduced)
19:23:47 <Rubidium> if it's r24751 then that's fine. Anything else is bothersome for me ;)
19:23:48 <planetmaker> someone preparing a map
19:24:04 <planetmaker> rubi, there's always the !download command ;-)
19:24:13 *** Rubidium was kicked by DorpsGek (Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.)
19:24:14 <Zuu> andythenorth: Should the new 0.8.0-test-1 New GRF show up when I filter on "firs" as 0.8.0?
19:24:22 <andythenorth> Zuu: not in bananas
19:24:31 <andythenorth> I haven't released it, it's buggy :P
19:24:35 <Zuu> I have put it in my path afaik
19:24:41 <andythenorth> it should show up then yes
19:25:08 <Zuu> You haven't enabled some devel only setting?
19:25:41 <Zuu> Maybe that is only supported for AI/GS. To set a setting to hide it in the content menu of locally installed content.
19:26:31 <Zuu> Ah.. the problem was that I had already added it to the list of active NewGRFs. :-p
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19:28:01 <Rait> okay atm i try to load a savegame and OTTD crashes (saves crash dump and everything + allows me to try emergency save). should i report this as a bug or is this way to dark area to bother?
19:30:15 <planetmaker> depends. If it's unpatched openttd and a savegame only played with unpatched openttd, yes, please
19:30:45 <planetmaker> openttd should load all savegames from earlier versions and even from ttd (and tto?)
19:32:22 <peter1138> will there be a server up then?
19:32:57 <planetmaker> it's running. Join #openttdcoop nightly
19:32:59 <peter1138> getting board of the main menu sounds, heh
19:33:13 <planetmaker> or maybe even #openttdcoop.nightly
19:33:40 <Rait> okay. the savegame was saved on 1.2.3 (x64) and loaded on 1.2.3 (x86). both unpatched, no newgrf or any scripts. will make a bugreport
19:34:25 <planetmaker> that should definitely work
19:34:56 <planetmaker> Rait, self-compiled or downloaded openttd?
19:35:11 <Rait> downloaded, official installers for both
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19:38:17 <FLHerne> planetmaker: Are there not issues loading some TTD features?
19:38:46 <peter1138> shouldn't be, anyway
19:39:16 <FLHerne> peter1138: Ah, that's what I was thinking of :P
19:46:49 <Rait> reported. devs, have fun :)
19:48:53 <Alberth> andythenorth: "Supplies required within 3 months" in what way are they required in 3 months?
19:49:09 <andythenorth> not sure, what's the context?
19:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> they need to be "supplied", hence the name :(
19:52:20 <Alberth> STR_PRIMARY_PRODUCTION_1X
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21:31:11 <Belugas> WHO DARES WAKING ME UP?????
21:31:23 <Belugas> ho.. it's peter1138 :) granted
21:31:31 <Belugas> hooo... nice little buddy :D
21:35:23 * peter1138 mucks around on ninjam
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21:46:52 <Alberth> andythenorth: do you have time to answer my question?
21:48:44 <andythenorth> Alberth: it makes no sense :)
21:48:56 <andythenorth> I should write some different text
21:49:21 <Alberth> does that also hold for the 2x and 4x strings?
21:49:33 <andythenorth> I hadn't noticed
21:54:31 <Alberth> actually, I mostly wondered how to translate :p
21:55:02 <andythenorth> if you can tell me what it should say in English, even better :P
21:55:27 <Alberth> I don't know the rule
21:55:36 <Alberth> ie what should it express?
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21:57:25 <andythenorth> if no supplies have been delivered, supplies are needed
21:57:41 <andythenorth> if supplies have been delivered, some more supplies are needed by (some point in time)
21:57:51 <andythenorth> sorry, can't explain better, tired ;)
22:01:07 <Alberth> you collect them and look how much you got every 3 months?
22:01:36 <andythenorth> maybe I have more brain tomorrow :)
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