IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-10-08
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00:30:21 <Elukka> another falcon 9 is going up to the ISS in 5 minutes
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00:49:34 * Supercheese has just found out what this "Gangnam style" hype is
00:49:56 <Supercheese> Mildly amusing at best. The Internet picks up and runs with strange things
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01:41:25 <Snail> what trainset are you using?
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05:44:53 <Kenjy> i installed 32bpp but the gui wasnt take over in the "mod"
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08:31:43 <NGC3982> I don't understand this. If a town gets bad rating because of me terraforming, depending on the town size - it's impossible to get better rating?
08:33:32 <Leto`> plant a massive amoun tof tree (without destroying anyithing)
08:36:04 <NGC3982> That actually helped.
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08:43:27 <Fremen> it's indeed annoying if you build too much around a city then you can't build anythign there
08:43:41 <Fremen> trees are the solution :p
08:43:52 <Fremen> anything as in stations
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08:45:01 <planetmaker> first build stations. Then terraform and build tracks
08:45:09 <planetmaker> Authorities are real tree-huggers in OpenTTD
08:45:20 <planetmaker> Don't mess with their beloved ones ;-)
08:45:31 <MNIM> quite the contrary to IRL authorities.
08:45:51 <NGC3982> Yes, i know. But i keep missing out.
08:45:58 <V453000> or take the path of violence and use magic dozer on them
08:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> have you ever dealt with real authorities?
08:46:46 <telanus> Those here just want bribes :P
08:47:16 * NGC3982 remembers when trying to get permit to set up a new street sign outside his office.
08:47:47 <NGC3982> It took me six months, and the time spent cost more than the actual sign.
08:48:25 <planetmaker> where I live there really are also rules on how many trees (or area) you have to plant trees if you build a commercial building...
08:49:12 <NGC3982> The same goes around here.
08:49:27 <NGC3982> It has actually worked pretty good, too.
08:50:46 <NGC3982> For every square meter of land you buy of the county for buildings, you have to pay for additional forest preservation/plantation around the county
08:51:26 <NGC3982> In Vaxjo county (Kronoberg), there is a big company that helps new businesses with the payments to the very same preservations, but in return get to keep maintainance of the city parks, forests and such.
08:51:52 <NGC3982> And they build stuff like crazy. Fountains, pavilions, statues and such.
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09:18:43 <planetmaker> nice answer on the savegame compatibility, Eddi|zuHause :-)
09:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i get that a lot :p
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13:29:30 <andythenorth> he actually posted it
13:29:39 <andythenorth> "OTTD is dying..."
13:29:48 <andythenorth> he's a very clever and elegant troll :)
13:30:01 <andythenorth> that's made my day :)
13:30:08 <planetmaker> ho andythenorth :-)
13:30:31 <andythenorth> definitely a troll
13:30:43 <andythenorth> probably with good intentions too
13:33:50 <andythenorth> how does that song go?
13:33:56 <planetmaker> the # commits / unit time *does* decrease. At least in the svn repo
13:33:57 <andythenorth> "Dying since the day I was born"
13:34:23 <planetmaker> But... there's grfcodec. There's NML. There's NewGRFs. All which is no longer counted directly towards that commit count
13:34:36 <planetmaker> as it's not part of the svn
13:35:04 <planetmaker> nor actually the experimental branches, which nowadays often are hg or git repos on other servers, too
13:35:24 <andythenorth> all the big features are done
13:35:34 <andythenorth> there's very little shiny low-hanging fruit
13:35:39 <andythenorth> the gaps are filled
13:35:56 <andythenorth> and many features are simply blocked by reality :)
13:36:05 <andythenorth> it's kind of 'done'
13:36:11 <planetmaker> there's a lot of big features which could be added. But... big fruit are not necessarily easy to grow
13:36:27 <andythenorth> it's a complexity problem, everything interacts with everything else
13:36:35 <planetmaker> height levels. newgrf bridges, infra sharing, cargo distributions or destinations, ... whatever :-)
13:36:46 <andythenorth> they don't necessarily improve gameplay
13:37:01 <andythenorth> making 12 good GS would add a lot more life to OpenTTD than [big feature x]
13:37:06 <planetmaker> I think the 32bpp graphics could change the perception of the game quite a lot
13:37:13 <planetmaker> and you're right about the GS
13:37:13 <andythenorth> meh, they're only pictures
13:37:21 <andythenorth> gameplay beats all
13:37:26 <planetmaker> perception. Not gameplay. yes :-)
13:38:03 <andythenorth> also the assumption that openttd is seeking big market share
13:38:08 <andythenorth> that keeps coming up
13:39:26 <planetmaker> well. Not directly. On the other hand, personally I like to make things enjoyable for rather more people than few. On the pre-condition that I enjoy it, too ;-)
13:39:42 <planetmaker> or at least not mind
14:11:12 <Markk> Internetz is ze börken.
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14:34:43 <Markk> Things like that is funny to look at.
14:34:53 <Markk> I'm calling it: OpenTTD Mindfuck.
14:46:01 <Rubidium> it's a simple image flip
14:46:05 <NGC3982> MC Escher called and wanted his game back
14:50:12 <al3x> @Markk sweet mindfuck :D getting dizzy
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15:02:37 <Markk> Rubidium: But the simple is fun.
15:13:16 <andythenorth> two of my favourite websites are going to domain holding pages :P
15:13:30 <andythenorth> or conspiracy...? :)
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15:45:04 <supermop> hi built a lego heqs truck last week
15:46:35 <andythenorth> not true without pictues
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16:24:52 <BadBrett> splendid... my sprite splitter works as a charm. hopefully animating complex tile layouts will be a lot easier now
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16:27:05 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hoyo :-)
16:28:04 <BadBrett> really great to see more afols out there... by the way, are you going to participate in the competition?
16:47:08 <andythenorth> supermop: didn't get the mining truck yet
16:47:14 <andythenorth> got the rest of the mining stuff
16:48:53 <supermop> i got it as a prop for our show room window
16:53:41 <BadBrett> yeah there's a lego technic competition
16:59:02 * andythenorth likes the comments from MB :)
16:59:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth, both, you and him derail the topic, tbh
16:59:51 <planetmaker> considering to lock it
17:00:26 <planetmaker> and I have to say, you started trolling, I'm afraid
17:03:04 <andythenorth> well my comment was genuine + true, but yes ok ;)
17:03:14 <andythenorth> and I think I know what MB is saying as well
17:04:06 <planetmaker> genuine and true: yes. Only effect is to derail, though
17:06:02 <andythenorth> I wouldn't lock it yet, it's not particularly acrimonious
17:06:24 <planetmaker> I've had enough of that (guessing the meaning of that word)
17:06:38 <planetmaker> to get another of such threads
17:06:49 <andythenorth> I could delete my comment if you want
17:08:52 <planetmaker> don't bother. too late
17:09:50 <andythenorth> it didn't strike me as the most trolly thing I've done, but maybe my judgement is off :P
17:12:43 <planetmaker> I don't quite mind really. But I found it quite sub-andy standard
17:14:11 <planetmaker> but maybe I just read it totally different than you intended it to be understood :-)
17:14:49 <planetmaker> anyway your comments are surpassed already by the subsequents; they're putting the topic down the drain
17:15:40 <planetmaker> can't be arsed. Locked it
17:20:51 <Terkhen> there goes my answer :(
17:24:27 <andythenorth> related to the same issue "Plone is dying"
17:25:14 <planetmaker> is it available online?
17:26:18 <andythenorth> "plone is dying" is at least a 5 year old thing though
17:26:58 <andythenorth> similar set of community issues, similar commitment o doing things right from core team
17:27:43 <andythenorth> we have been talking about it, hence it made my day to see "openttd is dying" ;)
17:28:06 <andythenorth> "[insert name here] is dying"
17:29:04 <andythenorth> of course it's fricking dying, there's no free pass from laws of thermodynamics
17:29:55 <andythenorth> more interesting is to take it seriously though
17:30:23 <andythenorth> there is a certain min. number of core contributors below which it fails
17:30:30 <andythenorth> or you get Dwarf Fortress :P
17:31:19 <andythenorth> not enough people to code review, help with design problems w
17:31:32 <andythenorth> = faster entropy
17:31:51 * andythenorth typing one fingered whilst holding child :P
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17:32:49 <planetmaker> we're not there (yet). Though we do have less activity this year than last
17:33:28 <andythenorth> but we also have regular stable releases, GS, zBase, nml etc
17:33:51 <planetmaker> yes. Those commits don't exactly count to the usual count... much activity went there recently
17:34:09 <andythenorth> it is *much* harder for me to get any newgrf features discussed / added
17:34:22 <andythenorth> maybe I spent all my creit :P
17:35:18 <andythenorth> but also...we have enough stuff
17:35:34 <andythenorth> most of the suggestions are just "MOAR"
17:37:22 <planetmaker> well. There was a bit amount of NewGRF changes in 1.2.... And which (new) NewGRF changes did you recently bring forward? :-)
17:38:01 <planetmaker> or maybe their complexity is much bigger than your initial suggestions ;-)
17:40:12 <andythenorth> smoke, new docks
17:40:19 <andythenorth> both of those can be made complex
17:40:50 <andythenorth> the prevailing assumption now is 'do it properly to avoid being boxed in in future'
17:41:03 <andythenorth> which is good, but never ships ;)
17:41:37 * FLHerne wants CDist in trunk :D
17:41:57 <FLHerne> ...it works, mostly, and adds muchly to the game :P
17:43:01 * FLHerne needs a big list of weird acronyms and abbreviations :P
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17:43:24 <Terkhen> FLHerne: the problem with both YACD and cargodist (as IIRC there was a cargodist version which worked in top of YACD) is game performance
17:44:03 <Terkhen> I don't know the details, but IIRC michi mentioned the problem somewhen at the forums
17:44:16 <Terkhen> I also don't know if that holds true for the standalone implementation of cargodist
17:44:19 <FLHerne> Terkhen: Odd, I have a few pretty big CDist games on my old 2.2GHz PIV ;-)
17:44:59 <FLHerne> YACD seems to attract a lot of those, but I dislike that concept and haven't tried it much :P
17:45:09 <Terkhen> what does "big" means?
17:45:48 <FLHerne> Terkhen: Vehicle numbers of each type into the hundreds, 1k^2 or 2k^2 maps
17:46:09 <FLHerne> Often with 'high' FIRS industries, too
17:46:22 <Terkhen> but in this case the dest/dist related performance decrease is probably tied to increase of node numbers
17:46:53 <FLHerne> Terkhen: You haven't seen one of my stupid networks, have you? :P
17:47:17 <Terkhen> I don't know about the performance problems themselves myself so I can't give you details :)
17:48:19 <FLHerne> Well, whatever they are I seem to have missed them :D
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18:04:18 <andythenorth> iirc YACD recalculates routing for all packets waiting on stations every n ticks
18:04:21 <andythenorth> which is a problem
18:04:25 <andythenorth> it is a battery killer :P
18:04:36 <andythenorth> but that's a specific feature
18:10:12 * andythenorth wonders if we could *remove* features and maintain savegame compatibility
18:11:06 <andythenorth> "Feature: removed a feature"
18:12:55 <planetmaker> yes, that's feasible. But depends a bit on the feature
18:13:45 <planetmaker> e.g. if you remove path signals as feature just treat them as normal block signals. Screws up savegames somewhat, but would still work in a certain way
18:14:55 <andythenorth> trains would crash :)
18:15:05 <andythenorth> anyway, these discussions are fun, but....
18:15:27 <andythenorth> ...a bit navel gazing.
18:15:45 <andythenorth> what can we actually commit?
18:15:51 <supermop> need some lunch but cant leave here
18:16:22 <planetmaker> we also already removed features. Path signals were once removed. Flipping all engines independent of their newgrf specs was removed. Certainly other things, too ;-)
18:16:37 <planetmaker> But we call that cleanup or so ;-)
18:16:52 <supermop> can you remove coal mines as a feature?
18:17:01 <supermop> sure no one would notice
18:17:14 * planetmaker would. It's the default starting industry for me
18:17:29 <planetmaker> but feasible. Could all be displayed as power plants
18:17:56 <planetmaker> will I now be quoted on "pm wants to remove coal mines from openttd"? :D
18:17:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: we could remove some FIRS snow tickets. By marking them 'done' ;)
18:18:33 <supermop> i've been strying a steel valley goal game
18:19:35 <supermop> unfortunately i have only 3 years left, there are only two iron ore mines on the map, and both produce around 30 tonnes despite having two stations with a vehicle always loading at each
18:20:06 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Can I add a pile of 32bppEZ tickets? :D
18:20:23 <supermop> cant afford to build more mines
18:20:24 <planetmaker> We won our games by vigorously funding industries
18:20:41 <andythenorth> supermop: you need a money maker first, probably pax
18:20:41 <planetmaker> doesn't hte GS take care of cheap industry costs?
18:20:46 <supermop> i could build one mine in the three years if i am lucky
18:20:52 <andythenorth> GS has no capability there :P
18:21:02 <planetmaker> and yes, what andy says. We always built a money maker first
18:21:17 <supermop> yeah, i have an aggressive passenger, coal and oil network to build up money
18:21:22 * andythenorth would badly like a clean interface between GS and newgrf :(
18:21:30 <andythenorth> but that discussion never gets anywhere :(
18:22:14 <andythenorth> not smart enough :(
18:22:30 <andythenorth> I have limitations :P
18:22:46 <planetmaker> wiki pages like frosch's pages on the "utopian" stuff are quite useful in this resepct
18:23:12 <supermop> can gs work with firs?
18:24:10 <andythenorth> I think GS is the single biggest win for the game in several years
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18:24:19 <andythenorth> despite being a bit 'meh' about it initially
18:25:09 <andythenorth> means we can talk about stuff like gameplay and strategy
18:25:16 <supermop> but you cant count on it for making a quick 128^2 map fun
18:25:23 <andythenorth> and not just 'I need feature xyz to make my perfect model train set'
18:25:56 <supermop> because you won't have enough some primary industry
18:26:28 <andythenorth> I would write a GS if I didn't already have lots of newgrf started...
18:26:54 <supermop> i just want a gs that makes power plants worth something
18:27:21 <andythenorth> you could write one
18:27:30 <andythenorth> it would be tied to specific industry ID and quite fragile
18:27:51 <andythenorth> what do you want? Town growth if coal delivered?
18:28:10 <andythenorth> I had one idea called The Grid or something
18:28:29 <andythenorth> 5 towns want power plants *constructed* and supplied with x tonnes per year
18:29:29 <andythenorth> it's just another cargo delivery challenge though :P
18:29:44 <Zuu> supermop: GS can make powerplants worth something.
18:30:02 <Zuu> Eg. play NoCarGoal or Silicon Valley with coal as goal cargo.
18:31:29 <supermop> growth or industry boost would be nice, but the latter sounds impossible
18:31:42 <andythenorth> just totally lacking a spec
18:32:01 <supermop> does the gs just check nearby plants for coal delivered then build a house?
18:32:15 <andythenorth> it tells the town to grow
18:32:18 <andythenorth> the town then handles that
18:32:22 <andythenorth> unless the newgrf fucks with it :P
18:32:37 <Zuu> a GS can monitor any industry for delivery and/or pickup of a specific cargo.
18:32:51 <supermop> would it be confused by a Firs steel mill receiving coal in the towns borders?
18:32:56 <andythenorth> what it can't do is adjust production at the industry
18:33:06 <andythenorth> nor meaningfully check for specific newgrf (afaik)
18:33:13 <Zuu> A GS can also monitor towns for delivery/pickup.
18:33:20 <andythenorth> nor understand the general idea of industry 'types'
18:33:27 <supermop> that is growing a town because a steel mill received coal instead of a power plant
18:33:45 <andythenorth> yes, that would likely happen
18:33:49 <Zuu> NoCarGoal monitor all towns for delivery of all (goal) cargoes.
18:34:13 <Pinkbeast> I thought NoCarGoal was my utopian vision of transport. :-)
18:35:11 <Knogle> Zuu: I guess it doesn't work with 1.2.2 then?
18:35:43 <Zuu> Both NoCarGoal and Silicon Valley needs a nightly as both use this monitor feature.
18:43:07 <Zuu> However, that didn't stop us from having several interesting games on the #openttdcoop nightly server with those two GSs.
18:47:25 <andythenorth> both those GS rock
19:02:18 <supermop> would it be bad form to define a cargo via newgrf that intentionally cannot be carried?
19:02:57 <frosch123> like "regearing"? :)
19:05:28 <Elukka> the problem is it breaks full load
19:06:17 <planetmaker> supermop, yes. Don't do that another time. Regearing is bad enough ;-)
19:06:37 <frosch123> Elukka: that problem was fixed, but the grf was never updated
19:06:53 <frosch123> back then you could not make a vehicle refittable without making it carry at least 1 unit
19:07:07 <frosch123> but since then people have used pax instead of a custom cargo
19:08:44 <FLHerne> Does that not cause trouble with station acceptance?
19:09:21 <frosch123> no, only if it actrually loads stuff
19:12:03 <frosch123> but yes, i guess that was the reasoin to introcude regearing :)
19:15:35 <V453000> you still cant autoreplace to regeared vehicles though which kind of sucks
19:16:23 <frosch123> you mean pax<->regearing? or nothing<->regearing?
19:16:45 <V453000> the way how it works in nars
19:17:09 <V453000> either way you cant set which refit should be autoreplaced to I guess
19:17:48 <V453000> it does have one interesting point, you could make trains refit to strongest, load, deliver, refit to weakerst, go back
19:18:18 <V453000> could be fun but hard to say if worth anything
19:18:27 <frosch123> orders which refit subtypes are on my list of stuff to remove though :p
19:19:15 <V453000> I use those to "randomize" colours of nuts local trains :D
19:19:44 <frosch123> there is no reliable way to store the subtype in an order
19:20:12 <V453000> you mean it says just "refit to passengers" instead of "refit to passengers (blue)"
19:20:16 <frosch123> there are lots of cases where they are broken. the only solution i came up with was to only allow refitting to cargos in orders, without specifiying a subtype
19:20:47 <frosch123> V453000: if you have shared orders, different vehicles may refit to different stuff
19:21:27 <V453000> well does that really hurt anything? If it is just a subtype then the cargo is the same?
19:22:18 <V453000> what does that mean? Does that apply only for trains with different wagons?
19:23:05 <frosch123> with orders it also applies to different consists sharing orders
19:23:22 <frosch123> or orders after autoreplace
19:24:24 <V453000> so if you have various wagons in one train and refit to subtype, some wagons can refit to wrong subtype?
19:25:15 <frosch123> yes, if you refit to coal (subtype 2), it refits all wagons carrying coal to subtype 2
19:25:37 <frosch123> numeric 2 that is, independent of whether that subtype exists are all, or whether it means the same for each vehicle
19:26:46 <V453000> and does it break the capability of carrying coal?
19:26:53 <frosch123> if you go by that forum discussion to break compatiblity
19:27:07 <frosch123> then subtype refit orders are the first thing on the list :)
19:27:17 <frosch123> and "subtypes in general" are the second :p
19:27:20 <V453000> cant read all forum discussions z.z
19:27:32 <V453000> refit orders to be removed? :o
19:27:44 <frosch123> V453000: cargos are fine
19:27:49 <frosch123> only subtypes cause trouble
19:28:14 <frosch123> stuff like refitting firs trams to more or less wagons in depots
19:28:22 <frosch123> would no longer work
19:28:35 <frosch123> but it already only works by luck now
19:28:57 <frosch123> (refitting by order that is)
19:28:57 <V453000> I know, I am just trying to see what does it break, if it breaks actualy carrying abilities or if it just refits to wrong subtype like wrong colour
19:31:59 <andythenorth> subtypes should die :P
19:32:48 <supermop> what if no vehicle can ever carry the cargo?
19:33:00 <supermop> less gears, more megawatt hours
19:33:33 <andythenorth> forget doing whatever you're trying to do with cargo hacks ;)
19:33:43 <andythenorth> we've tried it n times before and always conclude that it's crappy
19:34:40 <supermop> just so tha a powerplant makes something, even if nothing carries it away
19:36:23 <andythenorth> there will be an alternative, good enough, way to achieve what you want
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20:26:02 <Zuu> eg. a subtype replacement that requires the NewGRFs to define the subtypes such that their characteristics can be determined before they are built. :-)
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20:41:27 <__ln__> when will openttd have a ui-formerly-known-as-metro UI?
20:56:50 <Kjetil> Well. Someone is bound to add metrostations someday
21:05:19 <andythenorth> Zuu: you don't think it's good enough that subtypes are just a [made up] number?
21:05:24 <andythenorth> arbitrary per cargo type
21:05:44 <andythenorth> with [possibly] some arbitrary string, the name of which can vary according to any varaction 2 switch?
21:06:00 <andythenorth> you think that's in some way a bit...flakey? :o
21:06:53 <andythenorth> even though The NewGRF Spec Must Never Be Changed?
21:07:06 <andythenorth> even when it allows, e.g. creation of invalid orders
21:07:14 <andythenorth> or other madness
21:07:42 <Zuu> If there was an ADA for AIs, NewGRF authors would be poor by now...
21:10:03 <Zuu> Basically, if you reject disabled people access to your shop, you will get sued to the point that you cannot afford to keep your shop unless you are big.
21:10:30 * andythenorth sells software which must be accessible
21:10:36 <MNIM> is that all they do apart from making horrible websites?
21:10:45 <andythenorth> so I would like to fix some of the stuff with newgrf
21:10:59 <MNIM> 'cause *&%-ing hell their site definitely ain't accessible.
21:10:59 <andythenorth> fix / argue in favour of fixing :P
21:11:36 <andythenorth> MNIM: it probably scores highly on technically compliant accessibility, for those using assistive technologies
21:11:49 <FLHerne> andythenorth: The ability to create invalid orders is a non-issue :P
21:11:54 <andythenorth> it probably falls down on 'approach accessibility from the point of view of ease for *all* users'
21:12:04 * FLHerne doesn't believe in foolproofing :-)
21:12:12 <andythenorth> FLHerne: you are wrong, and I now add you to my ignore file every time we argue about it
21:13:20 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Admittedly, the possibility of an AI creating an invalid order may be an issue :P
21:13:36 <FLHerne> AIs can't be assumed to have common sense :P
21:13:40 <andythenorth> it's just a shit thing to do, shipping software which is known to be broken
21:13:49 <andythenorth> and if you think it's common sense, that is baffling
21:14:02 <Zuu> An AI can't create subtype orders.
21:14:18 <FLHerne> andythenorth: 'known broken' and 'known to be easily breakable' are different :P
21:14:20 <MNIM> andy: Their site scales neatly, and has relatively little in the form of images, Ill grant you that, but it's a nightmare for ADD / ASS, for example.
21:14:48 <andythenorth> I can only imagine what that is like with ADD
21:14:52 <MNIM> ... aaand suddenly I just realized what Autism Spectrum Syndrome looks like in english, abbreviated
21:14:53 <andythenorth> links everywhere
21:15:01 <andythenorth> links we have all the links!
21:15:19 <MNIM> not to mention all the text!
21:15:24 <FLHerne> I'm sure it's possible to create a NewGRF that would unpredictably create invalid orders. Doubt anyone will though
21:15:45 <MNIM> it is not a good site for scanning through and quickly finding what you need.
21:15:59 <__ln__> all the swedes also eagerly waiting for HBO?
21:16:17 <Elukka> FLHerne: why would one not believe in foolproofing
21:17:09 <Zuu> I can't see where they have their site in ASL, but maybe signed translations of websites is not as big over there as it is here.
21:18:27 <andythenorth> please let frosch know when you have one
21:18:51 <andythenorth> autoreplace is also 'dangerous' with subtypes
21:19:52 <Zuu> Hmm, there was some news about an overseas streaming service to establish in Sweden. Though the wiki page doesn't say anything about streaming.
21:20:03 <andythenorth> empirically, you have no evidence that subtypes don't cause bug reports
21:20:08 <FLHerne> Elukka: Because it's impossible :P
21:20:16 <andythenorth> empirically I have evidence that subtypes do cause bug reports
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21:21:06 <FLHerne> andythenorth: That bug is silly :P
21:21:34 * FLHerne concedes defeat on that case :-)
21:21:59 <Zuu> hmm, so according to their sales site, they will offer streaming.
21:22:32 <__ln__> Zuu: indeed. it's something completely new afaik, they haven't offered it anywhere else so far.
21:23:07 <Zuu> Hopefully they will be better than BBC on carrying over the English closed captions to the nordic market. At least one can wish. :-)
21:24:52 <__ln__> sounds almost too good to be true, the price and all.
21:25:25 <Zuu> __ln__: Do you get prices? I onle see a posibility to give away your email to them.
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21:27:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24577 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2012-10-08 21:27:21 UTC)
21:27:28 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5324]: Draw the window resize sprite bottom-aligned (sbr)
21:27:55 <__ln__> after all these years someone finally is going to offer a _legal_ way to follow at least some american tv series without a significant delay.
21:30:39 <Zuu> Yea, too bad I don't follow any of the mentioned series. :-p
21:31:03 <FLHerne> What on earth is variety distribution for?
21:31:20 <FLHerne> Its only purpose appears to be making pyramidal mountains :P
21:31:22 <Zuu> But I'm looking forward to better movie-on-demand services.
21:31:52 <__ln__> Well Netflix is coming this year...
21:32:43 <__ln__> Netflix explicitly promises to support PS3, Wii, Xbox
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