IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-09-06
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11:10:28 <warplaslouw> Can anyone help me with the use of the old ttd graphics musics and sound sets? i have xubuntu 12.4
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11:22:50 <Terkhen> people asking random questions need to have some patience
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11:32:22 <Fremen> ninja-asking a question and then being disappointed after a few minutes
11:32:32 <Fremen> damn youth mentality :p
11:33:08 <V453000> just inexperience with irc chat :)
11:40:03 <Terkhen> specially when they ask at european work hours/night time
11:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> recently in a german chat a german guy joined at 4AM and said something along the lines of "wake up guys!"
11:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> man, i am getting old :)
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12:21:06 <peter1138> i left openttd running on an android device in tesco
12:28:29 <NGC3982> Wait what, OpenTTD on an Android device?
12:35:36 <szaman> yep, not working on my old htc dream :]
13:09:59 <Elukka> sounds like it'd be something of a pain on a touchscreen
13:10:05 <Elukka> it's already a tad too fiddly with a mouse
13:37:35 <Phazorx> it would ne nice just to use it as monitoring device
13:37:49 <Phazorx> say have it output map and use it as secondary screen :)
13:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> just play a multiplayer game
13:38:59 <Phazorx> on the other hand rendering and processing everything for sake of being dumb rendering terminal is probably an overkill
13:39:28 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: i actualy had MP games were i used 2 clients on 2 monitors
13:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you could as well vnc into a "real" machine
13:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if you think that uses less power
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14:27:39 <Elukka> the area in general used to be a bit nicer...
14:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: baghdad is nowhere near kabul, though
14:34:08 <planetmaker> it is. Helsinki is close to Rome. Just a matter of perspective ;-)
14:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause> right, but they have neither economical nor cultural nor historical connections
14:39:54 <planetmaker> they're both part of the silk road
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15:07:18 <Elukka> well, the point was that both iraq and afghanistan were rather nicer places in decades past
15:12:18 <frosch123> almost every place was nice 3 million years ago, before men showed up
15:13:14 <frosch123> even the forum offtopic was acceptable back then
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17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24511 /trunk/src/lang/ (latvian.txt vietnamese.txt):
17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 3 changes by Parastais
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18:31:49 <frosch123> it's so dark already
18:31:55 <frosch123> i am getting a winter depression
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18:34:18 <__ln__> i doubt it's any less dark in spain
18:34:44 <planetmaker> oh, it might well be. It's more West
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18:36:14 <frosch123> yeah, more equitorial should mean more 12 hours days
18:38:55 <Terkhen> I still have not noticed days getting shorter, and I probably won't until I wake up some day and the sun has not raised yet
18:40:01 <frosch123> in 3 weeks you should have a 12 hour day
18:40:28 <planetmaker> three weeks? Rather 2
18:40:42 <Rubidium> and in a little more than one and a half month we have the longest day ;)
18:40:45 <frosch123> yeah, it was only a felt date :)
18:40:58 <planetmaker> time surely runs fast ;-)
18:41:14 <frosch123> Rubidium: i am not that far south
18:41:35 <planetmaker> where are you, frosch123 ?
18:41:44 <frosch123> not at the south pole
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18:42:08 <frosch123> but i guess rb meant only a day which is about a hour longer
18:42:18 <Kjetil> so.. not the south of poland ?
18:42:38 <frosch123> planetmaker: anyway, i am in one of the warmest towns of germany
18:42:57 <andythenorth> so the question is
18:43:00 <planetmaker> ok, I thought you were travelling like Down Under or in Africa :-)
18:43:03 <andythenorth> after 3 weeks without proper sleep
18:43:09 <andythenorth> can I patch FIRS supplies?
18:43:39 <planetmaker> Depends on whether you like the result ;-)
18:43:49 <Yexo> you want to introduce a new cargo "sheep" just to be able to count them?
18:43:58 <frosch123> andythenorth: we just talked about that in 1.5 months you can sleep for an hour more
18:44:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's the 22nd at 14:49 UTC
18:44:28 <planetmaker> :-) Good enough without looking it up :-)
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18:48:30 <planetmaker> hm... if it's about equally long day and night, we should not look for the equinox but the equilux
18:48:44 <planetmaker> and that is earlier (spring) or later (autumn) than the equinox :-)
18:52:12 * Rubidium wonders why the difference between the time of the equinox is not constant
18:53:05 <frosch123> sounds like you also like exploring that shadows projected by the sun become smaller if the distance between projection plane and object becomes bigger, while for most normal lambs it becomes bigger
18:53:10 <Rubidium> like 09:04, 14:49, 20:44, 02:29, 08:20, 14:21
18:53:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium, elipticity of the Earth's orbit
18:53:30 <planetmaker> and precession of the orbit
18:55:55 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I would expect the earth passing the same point in it's rotation around the sun at an constant interval (maybe slightly slower each year)
18:56:18 <Rubidium> but that doesn't quite account for the 25 minute spread I see
18:56:25 <NGC3982> Rubidium: Why would it?
18:57:07 <Rubidium> NGC3982: get a bike wheel and draw a line on the tire, then make it go round and round free spinning
18:57:26 <NGC3982> Afaik, gravitationally locked units does not aquire synchroniced rotation.
18:57:43 <Rubidium> would you expect that in cycle 2 it goes faster than cycle 1 and then slower and then faster and then slower and then faster ....
18:58:34 <frosch123> Rubidium: how big is the effect of the 100/400 year leap rule?
18:59:14 <Rubidium> frosch123: that would be relatively insignificant
18:59:16 <NGC3982> Rubidium: Well, that is appliable since the center and outer rim of the wheel is connected mechanically, right?
18:59:26 <Rubidium> as that just adds a day and I'm purely looking at the time
18:59:30 <planetmaker> frosch123, the normal leap year is about 4'
18:59:51 <Rubidium> as in the time of day
19:00:36 <NGC3982> Rubidium: Or am i missing something here.
19:00:52 <frosch123> Rubidium: i am not sure what you posted above. but aren't you posting the the time in 6 consecutive years?
19:01:04 <frosch123> so that the 4 year leap rule adds for the 6 hour interval
19:01:23 <frosch123> while the 100/400 year interval results in a 1/25 of 6 hours?
19:01:33 <frosch123> which is around 14 minutes
19:01:37 <Rubidium> but now write down the time differences
19:01:48 <Rubidium> and you get something like
19:02:31 <Rubidium> 336 351 352 343 353 340 348 353 335 350 356 344 355 345 352 360 341 352 356 341
19:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so a spread of around 15 minutes?
19:03:09 <Rubidium> that's the number of minutes between each of the autumn equinoxes of 21 years
19:03:10 <frosch123> hmm the last one dows not fit
19:04:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium, the Earth's rotation is fixed in space. But the orbit of Earth changes. Equinox is when the sun is at the Earth's equator. But due to the orbit itself rotating about the sun (it's not a closed ellipse!), the times change when the sun's at the Earth's equator
19:04:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the difference between the smallest and largest number is 25
19:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i imagine there's also an influence of jupiter and stuff
19:06:26 * Rubidium then votes for cheese
19:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 24*60*0.2425
19:08:47 <andythenorth> is there a game running on coop nightly?
19:08:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: so the school room model of the solar system is vastly inadequate?
19:08:55 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: is that the 4/100/400 leap thingie?
19:09:01 * andythenorth fancies 1.5 hours of GS MP
19:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (336+351+352+343+353+340+348+353+335+350+356+344+355+345+352+360+341+352+356+341)/20
19:09:10 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 348.15
19:09:25 <andythenorth> frosch123: made any changes to SiliconValley?
19:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the average is fairly close
19:09:48 <frosch123> you should not play valueables :)
19:09:55 <frosch123> maybe play a different climate
19:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, 0.2425 is the leap year constant
19:11:27 <andythenorth> someone set up a game? :P
19:11:44 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the currently used "constant"
19:11:45 <frosch123> 1.5 hours is too short for si valley
19:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well, yes
19:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.25 for leap year every 4 years, and -0.0075 for the 3 leap years you leave out every 400 years
19:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> as per the gregorian calendar
19:13:30 <frosch123> [21:11] <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the currently used "constant" <- i veto any changes to that system
19:13:47 <frosch123> it's just too awesome that 400 years are a integer number of weeks
19:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we do have leapseconds :)
19:14:06 <Rubidium> The vernal equinox year is about 365.242374 days long
19:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: is it really?
19:14:22 <Rubidium> The marginal difference of 0.000125 days between the Gregorian calendar average year and the actual year means that, in 8,000 years, the calendar will be about one day behind where it is now. But in 8,000 years, the length of the vernal equinox year will have changed by an amount that cannot be accurately predicted.
19:14:39 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that's why there are in fact most 13th fridays
19:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 400*365.2425
19:15:20 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 146097
19:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 400*365.2425/7
19:15:56 <frosch123> yeah, it's totally awesome
19:16:10 <frosch123> though i wonder whether it is intentionaly choosen that way :)
19:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have my doubts :)
19:32:24 <frosch123> does not look like a track network, rather like connections
19:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it might not have all connections
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19:34:41 <Rubidium> well, the Berlin EC/IC stops at all major stations in the NLs. This image shows it stopping at half of them, exactly the situation of roughly 5 years ago
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20:08:41 <LordAro> anyone got any idea why my regex isn't working? : s/Util\.Debug\([0-9 ], 0, /Util\.Debug\("aroai", \1, /
20:09:12 <LordAro> it kinda works, but the number isn't replaced by what it was (\1)
20:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you need () to make a group
20:12:19 <LordAro> that works, thanks! :D
20:39:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's amazing how things suddenly start to work once you do them correctly :p
20:41:41 <Alberth> it does? I regularly have to code for a few weeks before the first time I can run the code :p
20:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd go mad trying to resolve several weeks worth of syntax errors :)
20:46:21 * andythenorth considers a power plant for FIRS
20:46:38 <andythenorth> maybe all industries should be black hole
20:46:45 <andythenorth> "the black hole industry set"
20:47:49 <frosch123> that would break si valley
20:49:24 <Alberth> a black hole, a green hole, a yellow hole...
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22:09:24 <Wolf01> I partially solved the ctrl problem with the touch screen, I bound it to a gesture, but I need to do the gesture for every click (first the gesture, then click) :P
22:10:06 <planetmaker> sounds tedious, Wolf01 :-)
22:10:29 <Wolf01> but at least I can share the orders :D
22:11:05 <Wolf01> the problem is to click on the vehicle in movement, I must touch it at the first time
22:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you ctrl+click a vehicle then? :)
22:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't it be easier to use two-finger click or something?
22:13:27 <Wolf01> two fingers click does right click
22:13:37 <Wolf01> which is not so useful on OTTD
22:14:45 <Wolf01> I'm thinking about a toolbar sticked somewhere with ctrl (toggleable), canc/del and maybe other useful keys (enter?)
22:15:02 <Wolf01> another problem is the gui, I already use the biggui grf, but some elements aren't correctly scaled :(
22:16:02 <Kylie> What is the best tram newgrf ?
22:17:06 <Wolf01> I don't know, I use many of them :P
22:17:31 <Wolf01> I think the one I use more is eGRVTS or something like it
22:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i always use GermanRV, but it has a few flaws
22:21:18 <Wolf01> I must go now, I really need to sleep
22:30:16 <Kylie> i have egrvts now, but i dont see any trams
22:30:53 <Kylie> where are these set up?
22:31:05 <planetmaker> change the road type
22:31:20 <planetmaker> you can only build them in a tram depot
22:32:25 <Kylie> do i have to build a way from the depot to the actual route
22:32:28 * planetmaker wonders whether the existence of other rail and road types needs to be made clearer in the UI
22:32:46 <planetmaker> Kylie, you even have to build the complete route
22:33:01 <planetmaker> trans run on tram tracks. not on road
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22:36:17 <Kylie> so why are trams better than buses if the ones in the egrvts set hold the exact same amount oif passengers as buses
22:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that you must ask to the set designers
22:37:04 <planetmaker> maybe faster? or faster loading time? Or no reason and your assumption that they are "better" is wrong
22:37:21 <planetmaker> (by what standards after all is 'good' or 'better' defined?
22:37:30 <Supercheese> I rarely use eGRVTS for passenger transport
22:37:40 <Supercheese> other vehicle sets provide much more efficient vehicles
22:37:53 <Supercheese> (also the eGRVTS 2 grf has no pax vehicles ;) )
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