IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-08-22
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07:06:59 <NGC3982> Where can i find the recommended hardware specs for dedicated servers? Does that exist? :)
07:07:22 <NGC3982> Im thinking about hosting on a Rasperry Pi, if possible.
07:09:48 <Terkhen> I don't think that they exist, and if they do they probably dont take into account "exotic" platforms
07:10:42 <Terkhen> that said, I tried a 64x64 game on my rpi and it was slowvto the point of unplayability
07:11:38 <Terkhen> although that might be because IIRC the X server graphics are not being accelerated by hardware
07:12:42 <NGC3982> Well, yes. Graphics is out of the picture with the RPI. Although, a dedicated server shouldnt be any problems as far as the specs go (compared to a normal PC computer with similar hardware).
07:13:03 <NGC3982> I guess compability can give some challenge.
07:13:38 <Terkhen> the other bottleneck is probably the RAM
07:13:51 <Terkhen> 256 will not let you run big maps
07:13:56 <blathijs> There's Debian packages built for ARM which should pretty much offer out-of-the box functionality
07:14:17 <blathijs> (though they're slightly out of date right now due to a pending release team decision)
07:14:19 <NGC3982> It's 256MB. A dedicated server on a Windows PC barely exceeds 20MB usage, afaik?
07:15:11 <Terkhen> yes, plain debian works, and there is also a debian based distro with packages especially compiled for the rpi
07:19:22 <Terkhen> mine is just going to be a media center
07:20:04 <NGC3982> That's enough for me to buy one, at least.
07:33:35 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker and dihedral
08:09:21 <NGC3982> There is something i miss here
08:09:47 <NGC3982> the VIA VAB-800 has substancially better hardware, but seems to costs half as much as the RPI.
08:11:40 <Phazorx> dih, what are you busy with these days?
08:11:55 <Phazorx> aside of counting random phazorxes obviously
08:12:16 <Phazorx> doesnt sound like you are exited with that :)
08:12:25 <dihedral> i (try) to coordinate an IT office
08:13:30 <dihedral> i would not mind if someone could give my boss a divine size 9 up the rear
08:14:01 <Phazorx> is your boss it related professional?
08:15:38 <dihedral> yeah - he just got way too relaxed
08:16:02 <dihedral> and if he does do a job, he only does the parts he thinks are fun
08:16:15 <dihedral> which does not offer very good quality to our customers
08:16:35 <Phazorx> heh, that doesnt sounds very german to me actually
08:16:44 <dihedral> in all honesty, i'd not pay this company a fuck to do shit!
08:17:00 <Phazorx> why dont you work for someone else then if you dont like it there?
08:17:15 <dihedral> Phazorx, he's more american :-P at least from a BMI perspective :-P
08:17:42 <dihedral> well, i will at some point :-P
08:19:25 <dihedral> oh - and for fucks sake i should keep track of every 2 mins
08:19:51 <dihedral> no matter what it is - if it's support, reading emails, etc....
08:20:26 <Phazorx> is he really american>
08:20:35 <Phazorx> cuz that sounds like their management style
08:21:26 <Phazorx> as in bussiness administration coursestaught in us propagate that idea as "efficient time management"
08:22:02 <dihedral> BMI = Body Mass Index ;-)
08:22:19 <NGC3982> BMI is an abomination of measurement.
08:22:36 * NGC3982 took that completely out of context.
08:23:01 <dihedral> he's 2 meters - no matter how you place him on the ground :-P
08:23:25 <Phazorx> looks like you have ideal spherical boss dih
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08:25:16 <Eddi|zuHause> is this one of those "i need a new job" rants?
08:25:22 <dihedral> i like placing him at an angle of 23.4 and spinning him around his own axle, only to see how the cordless phone from his desk starts to orbit :-D
08:27:47 <dihedral> I hope Eddi|zuHause is not fat and didn't take that personally :-P
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08:29:57 <dihedral> what was that eddi? :-P
08:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> a... reboot *scary drums*
08:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> something called ksoftirqd/0 occupied one entire core and wouldn't stop
08:40:01 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: didi that correlate with some hardware event? like external drive being plugged in?
08:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but it correlated roughly with my HDD getting full during recording, which was like 6 hours earlier
08:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but emptying that HDD did not solve anything
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15:15:57 <Fremen> woot a lot of people in this channel
15:20:32 <dihedral> i nearly misread your nick and asked if your firstname was gordon :-P
15:23:12 <planetmaker> we just don't talk all the time...
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15:30:00 <dihedral> planetmaker, but when we do, ... :-P
15:30:27 <planetmaker> ... then, of course, all hell breaks loose
15:32:43 <dihedral> hell only breaks loose if __ln__ is around :-P
15:32:44 <Terkhen> Fremen: our "look at the channel interval" is longer than 1 min
15:33:12 <Fremen> well I am amazed to see people here, let alone so many, which is awesome
15:33:39 <dihedral> and, what i find awsome, you did not start with 'i have a question' :-P
15:34:10 <Fremen> I just discovered openttd, and I feel like I missed a decade
15:35:29 <planetmaker> one and a half ;-)
15:35:40 <Fremen> I feel 14 years old again
15:36:23 <planetmaker> though.. hm. 14 March 2004 is the release date of 0.1.1
15:36:27 <Fremen> but then add an HD monitor :)
15:37:04 <Fremen> well the second is a 4:3 monitor :p
15:37:39 <dihedral> i prefer using my hd beamer :-P
15:38:44 <Fremen> learning a game again that you played almost 20 years ago feels so much better than all those hi-tech games
15:39:31 <planetmaker> I soon can play it in 3840x1200 :D
15:40:13 <planetmaker> Fremen, it plays quite different to TTD... at least TTD became unplayable to me, being used to OpenTTD's UI
15:40:17 <Fremen> now I just need to find all the great modules
15:40:36 <planetmaker> start with vanilla to get accustomed. Just my 2ct
15:40:38 <Fremen> well yeah but I'm referring to the graphic styly mostly
15:40:54 <Fremen> yeah probably for the best :)
15:41:10 <planetmaker> well... add-ons (NewGRFs) is not only graphics. It's add-ons really. Which have often a large part of programming
15:41:20 <planetmaker> The better ones have like several 10k lines of code
15:41:22 <Terkhen> try a few vanilla games first, then check a few of the thousand forum threads about "the best set of newgrfs"
15:41:58 <planetmaker> NewGRFs can and most often do change game play in one or more aspects
15:42:06 <planetmaker> Only few are really only graphics replacement. very few
15:42:28 <Fremen> well I'm just into the 'big experience' in games, like starting in 1830 or something
15:43:20 <planetmaker> generally the experience when starting in 1830 or something is... not good. You need to find a good solution. And there's not many, if at all. Depending on what you want
15:43:52 <Fremen> well the inflation/population should pretty much not be screwed by 1950
15:44:07 <Fremen> I can imagine this is a problem
15:44:31 <planetmaker> depends... I play usually without inflation ;-)
15:44:43 <Fremen> well yeah, you coudl activate it in 1950
15:45:09 <planetmaker> doesn't matter when you activate it. It will run for 170 years from then at most
15:45:21 <planetmaker> the inflation. not the game.
15:45:33 <planetmaker> the game can be reasonably played till year 4999999
15:45:36 <Fremen> well it has to end some day :p
15:46:02 <Fremen> actuallyI'd like to run a server to play on with a friend who hooked me up
15:46:17 <Fremen> so like slow gamespeed an run it for a week or so would be awesome
15:46:38 <planetmaker> game speed is fixed. But you can set the server to only run when someone is connected
15:48:20 <planetmaker> Given the amount of servers it's probably be easier though to join one of them for the first steps
15:50:26 <Fremen> yeah I'll have to learn a lot about trains again
15:50:40 <Fremen> tried it yesterday without success :p
15:50:41 <planetmaker> learn about trains, signals, refits
15:50:54 <planetmaker> use the wiki. Look at other people savegames
15:51:09 <planetmaker> join servers and look how others solve it. Ask them. Experiment yourself
15:52:35 <Fremen> I'll be softcore and put those off
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16:19:16 * Terkhen always have breakdowns off
16:38:25 <NGC3982> Breakdowns, are they for eating?
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16:47:52 <frosch123> ah, thanks for the reminder
16:54:30 <NGC3982> Fremen: If you wish, you have my server at your service.
16:55:14 <NGC3982> I do think it is online right now
16:55:27 <NGC3982> But i have no idea what's on there.
16:55:53 <Fremen> I'll have a look later this evening :)
16:56:15 <NGC3982> Great. Are you new to the game?
16:57:11 <Fremen> well yeah if you don't count the playtime when I was a kid :)
16:57:34 <Fremen> I played it a lot back then, but yeah hell do I know if I played it right :d
16:58:02 <NGC3982> OpenTTD is the bastard love-Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter-child of TTD deluxe.
16:58:16 <NGC3982> You have a lot to find out, as i see PM told you. :-P
16:58:41 <Fremen> that's great, games where nothing is to find out are not worth playing :)
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17:37:00 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hoyo :-)
18:10:04 <Alberth> nah, that's just the first 10 years :)
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20:06:05 <bolli> anybody know a program that will convert to a 256 pallette image?
20:06:20 <bolli> other than PSP and Photoshop
20:06:47 <bolli> I've been trying for hours in gimp... So how?
20:07:08 <frosch123> what exactly do you want to do?
20:07:15 <frosch123> convert 32bpp to 8bpp palette?
20:07:40 <frosch123> menu->image->mode->indexed
20:07:42 <bolli> I have a sprite that isn't being accepted into mnlc
20:07:51 <frosch123> then import the ttd palette, and disable "remove unused colours"
20:08:21 <bolli> Wheres the ttd palette?
20:09:08 <frosch123> take ttd-newgrf-dos.gpl
20:12:10 <bolli> Gotten it working now :)
20:18:02 <bolli> I've not gotten my first train ingame...
20:18:17 <bolli> seems good :). Just a shame its about 8ft underground...
20:18:24 <bolli> Some tinkering needed still...
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21:18:24 <andythenorth> Zuu: I thought of one change
21:18:55 <andythenorth> for competitive MP, could you give each company different cargos?
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